liberalag12 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?

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Mmmmmm. Did you not read the article? Mond posted Sully could have integrated the schools, but he didn't.

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That is incorrect.

liberalag12 said:

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How about a compromise? Do people remember that word and those days?

1. Sully was a confederate general and also killed settlers of African-Americans, Native Indians, and other races
2. It sounds like he had a change of heart for his actions.

Compromise: Don't get rid of the statue but move Sully from the middle of the campus to another area not so symbolic. Not to a basement but possibly around the Corps area (maybe by the old Bonfar site) who really are the keepers of tradition anyways. Have an inscription on the statue that Basically he was a confederate general that committed atrocities not represented by the school but also changed his ideas and committed himself to said change.

Personally I would like to take it down. Statues are symbols of groups and civilizations. We give them tribute. I don't want to be represented by his actions but I do give him credit for his change of heart. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT ALL ABOUT ME...

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What "change of heart"? You have no evidence he had a bad heart in the first place. Him fighting for the Confederacy does not lead to the automatic conclusion that he was a hateful racist. Again, by your standards, NOBODY passes muster. Everyone is a sinner. Who decides which sin(s) are bad enough to meet the "no statue" rule? It sure as hell shouldn't be a college football player that majors in basketweaving and didn't even get in here on his own academic merit.

liberalag12 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?

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Mmmmmm. Did you not read the article? Mond posted Sully could have integrated the schools, but he didn't.

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Username checks out.....

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If Sully goes, Texas A&M should replace him with the Denton Ward and Lauren Crisp Memorial Against Racism. You know, in memory of the two white students who died after a racist beating at the Campus McDonalds in 2014? Racism is alive at Texas A&M and it isn't what the outrage mob makes it out to be.

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Bump

Mond could have gone elsewhere but didn't.
GTFOI

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Didn't bother him enough to speak out about it. Held it in for all these years, lol. However, I'd be willing to bet Mond had no idea who Sul Ross was, not a clue. But in this feeding frenzy of all things racial, he decided to become a college version of Kap.

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Plays like him too

You do know that A&M could have allowed blacks to attend A&M, thus allowing the school to receive federal funds but instead they created another school so they wouldn't have to let blacks on campus right? The act allowed for either or.

Oh ... they'll take your money.
That's different.

JohnSnow said:

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You do know that A&M could have allowed blacks to attend A&M, thus allowing the school to receive federal funds but instead they created another school so they wouldn't have to let blacks on campus right? The act allowed for either or.

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saray said:

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EXCELL said:

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I'm not in the top 2% of donors but I've given hundreds of thousands of dollars to A&M athletics.
You can scratch me off the list if this rubbish comes to fruition.

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Same here.

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I haven't given hundreds of thousands... yet. Since selling my business I am in a position to give and have upped my giving considerably of late. Remove Sully and it stops. If this is what A&M becomes, I'll give to PragerU over TAMU.

"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack.
Didn't he graduate with a degree in physics summa cum laude? I'm so grateful head concussions were avoided. Smart scholar. Way to go Mr Mack! I eagerly await to be enlightened by your next revelation. That's just the opinion of me, a Black man who graduated from A&M in a STEM field so consider the source.

You've heard of Jim Crow laws?
Separate, but equal.
It was strictly in force in those days.

Do we dump anybody who stayed at a hotel or ate at a restaurant that obeyed Jim Crow laws?

SOLUTION:

You acknowledge your faults. You show your improvements, never pretending to be perfect. You show progress and continue to move forward without caving in to irrational demands because it seems like the thing to do that day.

Nobody is claiming Ross was perfect. As a human, we know he (or anybody else) wasn't. If perfection is the bar for having a statue, then have none because nobody meets the standard. BTW, that applies to Martin Luther King (named after a religious white man) also. He was no saint, despite efforts to make him one.

Imperfection is the definition of man (and woman) from Adam (and Eve) onward. Honor imperfection redeemed with recognition of it and demonstrated effort to make oneself better. That's what Sully did. And so many others too. That's what makes them great men. It's not how you start ... it's how you finish.

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Bottom line is Mond wanted to be seen as a real leader and now he is leading......

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Really? I call it dividing.

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Mond wanted to be seen as a real leader and now he is leading

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He should try improve is ON-FIELD leadership first.

Being a Nazi was legal also, and you don't see Germany glorifying them with statues. I'm sure a Nazi or two helped start a school in Germany.

Do you honestly think that ANY, and I mean any, of the reason for the statue was because he was in the Confederacy until he was 26?

What is the statue done in honor of the confederacy or of the president of the university?

I suspect you're not that ignorant and you're just trolling.

JohnSnow said:

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Being a Nazi was legal also, and you don't see Germany glorifying them with statues. I'm sure a Nazi or two helped start a school in Germany.

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Germany is ashamed of their past. Americans are proud of theirs

DrHeadShrink said:

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Do you honestly think that ANY, and I mean any, of the reason for the statue was because he was in the Confederacy until he was 26?

What is the statue done in honor of the confederacy or of the president of the university?

I suspect you're not that ignorant and you're just trolling.

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https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3119298

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Section 2. The fact that there is no suitable memorial in Texas to the memory of General Ross, whose valiant deeds as an Indian fighter, brave Confederate solider, distinguished Governor of Texas, and President of the Agricultural and Mechanical College have never been fittingly recognized, thereby creates an emergency and an imperative public necessity that the constitutional rule requiring bills to be read on three several days be suspended, and said rule is so suspended, and that this Act take effect and be in force from and after its passage, and it is so enacted.

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nvm....question was already addressed.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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JohnSnow said:

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Being a Nazi was legal also, and you don't see Germany glorifying them with statues. I'm sure a Nazi or two helped start a school in Germany.

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Germany is ashamed of their past. Americans are proud of theirs




He is calling for the defunding of the Corps of Cadets and calling them all racist.

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I guess the FTAB will be required to stop playing "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" and"Bonnie Blue Flag".

SA-AG72 said:

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I guess the FTAB will be required to stop playing "When Johnny Comes Marching Home".

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When Johnny/Joanne*

I'm certainly not going to glorify Nazism but they did do some things right, infrastructure examples are numerous (the autobahn, massive improvements in mass transportation, rebuilding a destroyed economy). If you are going to be fair, you have to acknowledge all aspects of the subject. The facts of concentration camps, war mongering, extermination of Jews by the millions, acceptance and furtherance of a monolithic educational structure, the media being used as a tightly controlled propaganda machine, etc are legendary in the worst possible way. They are not erased by any points of positive, constructive achievements. But pretending those achievements didn't exist is just as misplaced as it would be to pretend the abuses didn't exist.

History shows us that what happened in Germany was largely a reaction to a society ravaged by runaway inflation and a devastated economy inflicted as punishment by the Allies for having lost World War I (thankfully we learned from that and rebuilt Germany after WW2 versus punishing it yet again). Massive unemployment, a vengeful conqueror and a beaten down populace were exactly the right fodder for the development of Adolf Hitler.

Building schools is great. Lots of Germans were good people. Not all were enthusiastic Nazis. But a lot of them were in fear and there is a STRONG correlation between that environment and the one where people lose their jobs or have physical or emotional fear of a small number of hoodlums who are exploiting a bad situation to extend their political power through that fear. There's a whole bunch of that going on in America right now and it has nothing to do with past sins of 150 years ago without an acknowledgement that massive progress has been and is being made to preclude those mistakes of the past. It has to do with establishing power and there's a lot of violence being exercised to do it. Physical violence to be sure, but emotional and psychological violence also.

Sully was flawed, as we all are. He progressed, as we should hope to do. His story is one of redemption. That's not something to be destroyed.

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Do none of the folks calling for the statues removal get that there would be no A&M without him?

If the guy who literally saved the school from closing doesn't get a statue then who does?

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Matthew Gaines. One of the guys who voted for it.

Well I'm officially out. #NotMyQB

McDadeTXAggie said:

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JohnSnow said:

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Being a Nazi was legal also, and you don't see Germany glorifying them with statues. I'm sure a Nazi or two helped start a school in Germany.

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Germany is ashamed of their past. Americans are proud of theirs

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Not sure if serious... let me get this strait...so you think Germany should be proud of the holocaust? You somehow write that like if it's bad that Germany is ashamed of it.

VirginiaAggie said:

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I support relocating the LSR statue to museum space. I think we should respect our student athletes' opinions about this.

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I support erecting a 68' Sully in the same spot to replace the vandalized one. It'll be a foot taller than the Sam Houston statue.

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I'm certainly not going to glorify Nazism but they did do some things right, infrastructure examples are numerous (the autobahn, massive improvements in mass transportation, rebuilding a destroyed economy). If you are going to be fair, you have to acknowledge all aspects of the subject. The facts of concentration camps, war mongering, extermination of Jews by the millions, acceptance and furtherance of a monolithic educational structure, the media being used as a tightly controlled propaganda machine, etc are legendary in the worst possible way. They are not erased by any points of positive, constructive achievements. But pretending those achievements didn't exist is just as misplaced as it would be to pretend the abuses didn't exist.

History shows us that what happened in Germany was largely a reaction to a society ravaged by runaway inflation and a devastated economy inflicted as punishment by the Allies for having lost World War I (thankfully we learned from that and rebuilt Germany after WW2 versus punishing it yet again). Massive unemployment, a vengeful conqueror and a beaten down populace were exactly the right fodder for the development of Adolf Hitler.

Building schools is great. Lots of Germans were good people. Not all were enthusiastic Nazis. But a lot of them were in fear and there is a STRONG correlation between that environment and the one where people lose their jobs or have physical or emotional fear of a small number of hoodlums who are exploiting a bad situation to extend their political power through that fear. There's a whole bunch of that going on in America right now and it has nothing to do with past sins of 150 years ago without an acknowledgement that massive progress has been and is being made to preclude those mistakes of the past. It has to do with establishing power and there's a lot of violence being exercised to do it. Physical violence to be sure, but emotional and psychological violence also.

Sully was flawed, as we all are. He progressed, as we should hope to do. His story is one of redemption. That's not something to be destroyed.

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I'm going to play devils advocate. On the topic of reconstruction of Germany after WW2, what would you consider to be the equivalent of doing the same for African Americans after slavery?

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saray said:

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EXCELL said:

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I'm not in the top 2% of donors but I've given hundreds of thousands of dollars to A&M athletics.
You can scratch me off the list if this rubbish comes to fruition.

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Same here.

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I haven't given hundreds of thousands... yet. Since selling my business I am in a position to give and have upped my giving considerably of late. Remove Sully and it stops. If this is what A&M becomes, I'll give to PragerU over TAMU.

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My good friend at the TAMF admitted during my call about Mond that he/she has been on the phone for two days solid listening to donors venting and deferring indefinitely their near-term gifts/installment payments. Money talks, loudly, in a bad year for investments.

So, I asked what is the plan? Presently, there is none, other than wishin' hopin', and prayin' it goes away, somehow. Mond and his confederates :-) may wreck more than the football program.

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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JohnSnow said:

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Being a Nazi was legal also, and you don't see Germany glorifying them with statues. I'm sure a Nazi or two helped start a school in Germany.

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Germany is ashamed of their past. Americans are proud of theirs

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Not sure if serious... let me get this strait...so you think Germany should be proud of the holocaust? You somehow write that like if it's bad that Germany is ashamed of it.

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It's straight. Not George Strait, you backward-ass country ****.

The Marshall Plan was literally the first of its kind in WORLD history. Prior to that, victory in war meant a winner-take-all approach with raping, plundering, pillaging and systematic theft of anything of value (kind of like LA or NYC) or carpetbaggers after the War Between the States.

In short, there is no direct comparison to a singular program on the level of benevolence this country showed to Germany following WW2. You will recall that much of that was in our national interest to stem the Russian expansion through countries "liberated" in WW2 (Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, etc) and to ensure that another Hitler wouldn't rise from the ashes.

However, there has unarguably been a steady improvement in the quality of life for descendants of slaves with notable examples being Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, end of Jim Crow laws, desegregation of every facet of American life notably including education, the voting rights act, LBJ's war on poverty, etc. If you are seriously going to argue that life as an African American in this country is even remotely like it was following the Emancipation Proclamation, then you are living in another universe than the one in which I live. This nation has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions, on programs aimed at black community, more so than Native Americans or Hispanic or Asian or any other minority population group.