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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


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Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
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In reply to Charlie Murphy • 6:14p, 6/15/20
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?


I will give you one guess to the answer of your question and I bet you get it right.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 6:24p, 6/15/20
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texagbeliever said:
TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


On one side are people who went to class and pass or failed on their own merit. On the other they slept through class and had tutors do their homework and online quizzes and also spoon feed them test questions to memorize.

Whose opinion is more valuable...


It is interesting that now you are deeply concerned with the academic progress of payers. I don't remember some big outcry any fall as we were winning games.

This argument is so disingenuous as to be absurd.

If you want to argue the merits of Sul, the good things he did, that's fine, but just criticizing others is intellectually weak at best.
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In reply to Bankeraggie • 6:27p, 6/15/20
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Bankeraggie said:
texagbeliever said:
TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


On one side are people who went to class and pass or failed on their own merit. On the other they slept through class and had tutors do their homework and online quizzes and also spoon feed them test questions to memorize.

Whose opinion is more valuable...


I don't remember some big outcry any fall as we were winning games.


Wtf

When was this!?!?
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In reply to texagbeliever • 6:37p, 6/15/20
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texagbeliever said:
TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


On one side are people who went to class and pass or failed on their own merit. On the other they slept through class and had tutors do their homework and online quizzes and also spoon feed them test questions to memorize.

Whose opinion is more valuable...
Jealous much? OR do you view your degree is valuable only and solely because you spent time earning it?

I am not jealous. I think they're responding as young people often do to things that catch their attention. They don't have experience that you clearly do to process this in part because their experience is as Black young men. I'll note many of their elders are schooled in just the way you describe and still view the current situation as requiring significant change.

If you could do us the favor of describing exactly what it would take to change your mind, I'd be interested in that. I won't bicker or fight you over your opinion, so feel free to really lay it in the line. Let's have the other side of that uncomfortable discussion.
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In reply to Charlie Murphy • 6:42p, 6/15/20
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
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6:49p, 6/15/20
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Disappointing to see counter protests against racism

It sucks that one side of the debate refuses to acknowledge that the other side is making good faith arguments. No one is honoring the confederacy when they say they dont want one of the more iconic landmarks of Texas A&M removed, or when they show disapproval of your effort to do so in an environment knee jerk mass hysteria. People werent counter protesting in favor of racism, they're rejecting your bogus premise.
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 6:50p, 6/15/20
Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.


I haven't been paying attention, have much more interesting things to spend my time on. How about the rest of them that are piling on?
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6:51p, 6/15/20
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I don't understand why Coach would allow these players to have social media
You're a representative of the university who pays your scholarship.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 6:52p, 6/15/20
texagbeliever said:
TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


On one side are people who went to class and pass or failed on their own merit. On the other they slept through class and had tutors do their homework and online quizzes and also spoon feed them test questions to memorize.

Whose opinion is more valuable...
Do you know for a fact that they didn't go to class or pass on their own merit? The fact that you devolve your entire point into "people who went to class and pass[ed] or failed on their own merit." and "they slept through class and had tutors do their homework..." which amounts to a straw man argument makes me think you didn't go to class and you most certainly didn't pass on your own merit. Someone who passed their classes and has a degree could do better than that.
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
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In reply to greg.w.h • 6:52p, 6/15/20
greg.w.h said:
texagbeliever said:
TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html


On one side are people who went to class and pass or failed on their own merit. On the other they slept through class and had tutors do their homework and online quizzes and also spoon feed them test questions to memorize.

Whose opinion is more valuable...
Jealous much? OR do you view your degree is valuable only and solely because you spent time earning it?

I am not jealous. I think they're responding as young people often do to things that catch their attention. They don't have experience that you clearly do to process this in part because their experience is as Black young men. I'll note many of their elders are schooled in just the way you describe and still view the current situation as requiring significant change.

If you could do us the favor of describing exactly what it would take to change your mind, I'd be interested in that. I won't bicker or fight you over your opinion, so feel free to really lay it in the line. Let's have the other side of that uncomfortable discussion.


My degree is of little value. How I choose to act and how I apply myself is now 90+% of my value. I was pointing out the fact that, if this person couldnt play football really well you wouldn't give his political thoughts a seconds thought. So how do you reconcile placing value on a persons political and history perception when you only care about his opinion because of his athletic accomplishments?

I have had classes with athletes. The academic rigor of those 2 history classes was borderline 8th grade preap. Now I'm not commenting on the intelligence of these individuals; they are as you said incentivized to put sports first. Now how and why an academic institution allows itself to create a structure that forces odious time commitments on sports at a detriment of a persons studies is a good question. The answer is the $$ A&M makes from the athletes as sportsmen is much more than they make as students.
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6:54p, 6/15/20
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The real question is how much are the big cigars and big football donors going to allow all this rhetoric to continue before they start pulling their checkbooks
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 7:03p, 6/15/20
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Aggie_Swag18 said:
#Mke said:
Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
New Army username checks out
I didn't realize that paying attention to the subject at hand is now a "New Army" thing.


Kellen dismissed Sully's contributions to PVAMU because he didn't integrate A&M almost 80 years before any public school was integrated in the US. It's an insane thing to hold against someone, but then he did label anyone who supported Sully's contributions to A&M as a racist, so what can you do.

As someone stated in this thread, just criticizing others is intellectually weak at best.
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In reply to TAMU bball fan • 7:08p, 6/15/20
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TAMU bball fan said:
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."

Both Mack and Mond retweeted a change.org petition for the removal of the statue, as did current players Buddy Johnson and Jayden Peevy. Otaro Alaka, Jace Sternberger and Armani Watts -- former A&M standouts now playing in the NFL -- also tweeted the petition and spoke out against the statue on Twitter.

https://www.theeagle.com/townnews/sport/texas-a-m-football-players-speak-out-on-twitter-about-sul-ross-statue/article_94dda2a4-af4b-11ea-8f77-23dfde880d02.html
The quote is such a ****ing lie.

Nobody was "counter-protesting" against racism.

Nobody.

Hey Kellen, read something other than the crap you've been fed.
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7:19p, 6/15/20
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"Disappointing to see counter protests against racism especially from a place I attended and called home," Daylon Mack tweeted. "Embarrassing. We have to do better."
Last weekend's protest advocated the removal of the Lawrence Sullivan Ross statue. The previous "Unity Walk" demonstration was a protest against racism. Hopefully, the players will note the lack of counter-protests for the Unity Walk and realize what the LSR counter-protest was actually about.
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7:29p, 6/15/20
The statue is a dead man walking. They'll ultimately remove it.
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The statue is a dead man walking.


GET IT??
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In reply to AmarilloBQ02 • 7:34p, 6/15/20
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Sadly from what I've seen many people don't understand.
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7:37p, 6/15/20
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OP is a known racist, but aside from that, I didn't say something reprehensible about the starting quarterback at Texas A&M, but he did about me, my wife, my family and my friends.

He should think about what he said.
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Do none of the folks calling for the statues removal get that there would be no A&M without him?

If the guy who literally saved the school from closing doesn't get a statue then who does?
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In reply to Tex Aggie • 7:49p, 6/15/20
I'm not in the top 2% of donors but I've given hundreds of thousands of dollars to A&M athletics.
You can scratch me off the list if this rubbish comes to fruition.
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7:49p, 6/15/20
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Mike Gundy just had to apologize for wearing a t shirt of a news outlet a player didnt approve of. Are we all going to pretend this is about a statue, or stops if the statue is removed?
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 7:56p, 6/15/20
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Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
I saw that but he didn't get all the history quite right. But funny it didn't bother him when he signed play at A&M and it's never bothered him over the last three years. It's only bothering him now when he's told it should bother him.
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7:57p, 6/15/20
I don't care if they're Rhodes scholars or barely scraping by. Someone in authority needs to say we're not tearing down a statue of a former president who built the standing of this university! Period! End of discussion!
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In reply to annie88 • 8:08p, 6/15/20
annie88 said:
Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
I saw that but he didn't get all the history quite right. But funny it didn't bother him when he signed play at A&M and it's never bothered him over the last three years. It's only bothering him now when he's told it should bother him.
How did you know it didn't bother him before? Perhaps his attitude was just to keep his head down and play football like so many people here have suggested, but recently he finally decided to speak up on the matter?
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 8:09p, 6/15/20
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Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
yes but has anyone even verified what Mond is claiming about Prarie View or just leaving it unchallenged?
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8:11p, 6/15/20
Several faculty members wrote an op-ed in the Houston Chronicle asking for the statue to be taken down.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Opinion-Remove-the-statue-of-Confederate-General-15341557.php
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In reply to TAMU bball fan • 8:12p, 6/15/20
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The Houston Chronicle has weighed in.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Opinion-Remove-the-statue-of-Confederate-General-15341557.php
Big shocker.
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In reply to Sterling82 • 8:12p, 6/15/20
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I don't care if they're Rhodes scholars or barely scraping by. Someone in authority needs to say we're not tearing down a statue of a former president who built the standing of this university! Period! End of discussion!
"We squabbled about the terms of capitulation, as I would not recognize negroes as soldiers or guaranty them nor their officers protection as such;..." -Lawrence Sullivan Ross

Just keep in mind that's the man you are so vehemently defending.
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
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The Houston Chronicle has weighed in.

They also said A&M was racist for only interviewing mike sherman, so.......
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 8:13p, 6/15/20
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Aggie_Swag18 said:
annie88 said:
Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
I saw that but he didn't get all the history quite right. But funny it didn't bother him when he signed play at A&M and it's never bothered him over the last three years. It's only bothering him now when he's told it should bother him.
How did you know it didn't bother him before? Perhaps his attitude was just to keep his head down and play football like so many people here have suggested, but recently he finally decided to speak up on the matter?
Well that's convenient timing. I would think if a athlete was that disgusted by the statue they would never have signed to play football at that school.
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In reply to TAMU bball fan • 8:14p, 6/15/20
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TAMU bball fan said:
Several faculty members wrote an op-ed in the Houston Chronicle asking for the statue to be taken down.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Opinion-Remove-the-statue-of-Confederate-General-15341557.php
A tournament of lies.

Disgusting.
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In reply to annie88 • 8:15p, 6/15/20
annie88 said:
TAMU bball fan said:
The Houston Chronicle has weighed in.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Opinion-Remove-the-statue-of-Confederate-General-15341557.php
Big shocker.

I corrected my post to clarify it's an op-ed by several faculty members published in the Houston Chronicle.
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In reply to Aggie_Swag18 • 8:20p, 6/15/20
Aggie_Swag18 said:
annie88 said:
Aggie_Swag18 said:
Charlie Murphy said:
Have any of them addressed Sharps message on Ross' history with Prairie View and some of the other relevant issues? Or are they just following the virtue signaling trend?
If you were actually paying attention you would know Mond already addressed Ross' history with Prairie View. From Mond's tweets he seems much more aware of what is going on and the history behind it than most people here.
I saw that but he didn't get all the history quite right. But funny it didn't bother him when he signed play at A&M and it's never bothered him over the last three years. It's only bothering him now when he's told it should bother him.
How did you know it didn't bother him before? Perhaps his attitude was just to keep his head down and play football like so many people here have suggested, but recently he finally decided to speak up on the matter?
Didn't bother him enough to speak out about it. Held it in for all these years, lol. However, I'd be willing to bet Mond had no idea who Sul Ross was, not a clue. But in this feeding frenzy of all things racial, he decided to become a college version of Kap.
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