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West Point Aggie said:

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Knowing jerry he will allow it if we add another decade on top of the current end date

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At the time we made this contract is was a great deal for us. Our recruiting in Dallas SUCKED, and so did we. Bill Byrne did a good job with this.

The mistake was agreeing to start it over once we joined the SEC. I believe you can thank the worst AD we've had in the modern era in Eric Hyman for that disaster.

Our legal team needs to settle this and get it back to a home and home.

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it would have been okay if the original contract had only been 4 or 6 years. 10 was way too long. Very short-sighted.

remember...Tech & Baylor ended their contact at Jerryworld 2 years ago --- and went back to home & home

Hell yeah

I think we should move the Arkansas vs Texas A&M series to the campuses. In even years since 2014, we only play three SEC home games. Arkansas would be the fourth home game, but because of the contract to play the Southwest Classic at AT&T Stadium every year, we only get three home games in even years (2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024). Like most of the SEC, we should be able to play four SEC home games every year. I know Georgia and Florida play at Jacksonville, Florida every year, but that tradition has gone back decades.

Playing at Jerry World only benefits Jerry Jones, not Texas A&M or even his alum Arkansas. Jimbo Fisher is a great recruiter and can recruit good players from both within the state and outside. Having four conference home games ever year would help us to boost recruiting even further because it would be easier for potential recruits to go to those games than travel to Arlington.

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So you went to the one game that was a blow out that Arkansas kicked our ass, not the other 10 games. Gotcha. Congrats on picking the wrong game to go to.

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The atmosphere at neutral site games just sucks relative to Kyle or even the games we played at SMU or baylor. I told you, the pregame of the 09 game with Arkie was interesting with the tributes to the SWC.

I was at the JFF CB. Awesome game, atmosphere was dull. Been to non-A&M bowls, sterile atmosphere.

The only "neutral" atmosphere that I remember being fun was La Tech in Shreveport in the day. Still not Kyle.

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The hostility/anxiousness and back and forth between the fan bases including the tension and post game ribbing was awesome in 2014, 2015, 2016 (first 3 quarters), 2017, 2018 and 2019. When late drives have been made by either team (with the roof closed in a dome) it's a loud SEC environment and it's awesome. You should try it some time.

I'll never attend a game there...here is hoping 2024 is the end of this neutral site experiment which should have ended when we joined the SEC

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I think we should move the Arkansas vs Texas A&M series to the campuses. In even years since 2014, we only play three SEC home games. Arkansas would be the fourth home game, but because of the contract to play the Southwest Classic at AT&T Stadium every year, we only get three home games in even years (2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024). Like most of the SEC, we should be able to play four SEC home games every year. I know Georgia and Florida play at Jacksonville, Florida every year, but that tradition has gone back decades.

Playing at Jerry World only benefits Jerry Jones, not Texas A&M or even his alum Arkansas. Jimbo Fisher is a great recruiter and can recruit good players from both within the state and outside. Having four conference home games ever year would help us to boost recruiting even further because it would be easier for potential recruits to go to those games than travel to Arlington.

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I tend to agree. Sure it's easier for Arkansas to host Texas recruits there when they are the "home" team than it might be if it's on campus just due to proximity, but does it really matter if they aren't getting to see the campus, etc.?

And the numbers show that it's not really helping Arkansas recruit Texas any better than we were before:

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TheWoodsAg said:

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If you want another big name game at Kyle tell the AD to schedule one instead of double directional Louisiana.

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I cannot preach this enough. 100% agree. Enough with the Lamars, PVAMUs, TXSTs. Get another GAME.

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Yep. The times, they are a-changin.

Even Alabama, who not that long ago was unwilling to play a true road non-conference game, is now moving towards scheduling two power-5 non-conference games a year, playing a road game once very year.

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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Playing at Jerry World only benefits Jerry Jones, not Texas A&M or even his alum Arkansas. Jimbo Fisher is a great recruiter and can recruit good players from both within the state and outside. Having four conference home games ever year would help us to boost recruiting even further because it would be easier for potential recruits to go to those games than travel to Arlington.

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Is NOT permissible to host prospects away from campus even if designated home team. That is maybe the biggest reason bama-AU changed from annual Birmingham to home and home.

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hogfan14 said:

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Playing at Jerry World only benefits Jerry Jones, not Texas A&M or even his alum Arkansas. Jimbo Fisher is a great recruiter and can recruit good players from both within the state and outside. Having four conference home games ever year would help us to boost recruiting even further because it would be easier for potential recruits to go to those games than travel to Arlington.

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Is NOT permissible to host prospects away from campus even if designated home team. That is maybe the biggest reason bama-AU changed from annual Birmingham to home and home.

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They probably would have been able to host recruits in Birmingham because it was a designated home stadium for those teams.

Alabama, in particular, used to play multiple games in Birmingham a year.

In fact, much of the SEC used to have two homes. Arkansas still maintains it.

On campus stadiums got bigger, better, and other stadiums got old and undersized.

That particular game moved to Auburn when Auburn eventually decided Alabama fans had turned it into a home game every year. It moved to T-Town a few years later.

Oh, and Auburn had completed a bunch of renovations on Jordan-Hare and made it the biggest stadium in the state at the time

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Is NOT permissible to host prospects away from campus even if designated home team. That is maybe the biggest reason bama-AU changed from annual Birmingham to home and home.

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I thought the rule was changed to allow 1 neutral site game a year hosting recruits?

ETA: The whole point of the game was recruiting. Arkie would have never agreed if they could not host. We would have probably demanded a waiver (for the duration of the contract) as a term of joining the conference.

Everyone knows there are only a few more games at Jerry world against Arkansas right? Reading this thread one would get the impression we are playing Arkansas in Arlington until 2060.

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Even Alabama, who not that long ago was unwilling to play a true road non-conference game, is now moving to scheduling two power-5 non-conference games a year, playing a road game once very year.

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So, they doubled up on P5s in '25 and '26 only. I could not find the financial details from the contracts.

My guess is that the contracts allows a buyout a few years before for ~100k. I bet they buy out of one right before the deadline, unless one of those programs is really down. Most programs would not allow their HC such a luxury.

Because, what is the motivation? Saban knows the committee is unlikely to bid him w/ 2 losses, even if one is on the road to a top 10 OOC opponent. And, Bama does not need the extra money. I just dont see Saban playing at FSU and Wiscy in the same year for some higher principal. This is the same guy who carries an NCAA rules expert on staff. The expert found a way to get former players permitted to practice against the team for bowl prep. They talked about it on a CBS game I watched a few years ago.

We'll see what happens. Obviously schedules can change. The major point with Alabama specifically is them even playing on the road at all was recently something of a no-no. Yet alone to ponder having a road games on a consistent basis. Yet alone to ponder the possibility of two on campus power-5 games in a single season.

The motivation for _________ program to do it? (1) The other big boys are doing it, too. (2) Its a solid recruiting pitch. All you have to do is ask a recruit why they think another program won't schedule two power-5 non-conference opponents, and you've made the point clear that other program knows they are second rate. (3) No one nowadays seems to ever have enough money.

(SEC specific #4: Other conferences are playing 9 conference games.)

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WeatherAg97 said:

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TheWoodsAg said:

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If you want another big name game at Kyle tell the AD to schedule one instead of double directional Louisiana.

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I cannot preach this enough. 100% agree. Enough with the Lamars, PVAMUs, TXSTs. Get another GAME.

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Yep. The times, they are a-changin.

Even Alabama, who not that long ago was unwilling to play a true road non-conference game, is now moving to scheduling two power-5 non-conference games a year, playing a road game once very year.

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Well with the facts right above show your post is quite misleading. Alabama will make changes.

Maybe. Alabama isn't the only team that will be doing it. And Nick Saban is on the record saying he wants to see 10 Power-5 opponents a year.

I see your point about Bama willing to go on the road. Maybe their fans got sick of going to the same 4 NFL domes. Maybe opponents realized that scheduling a guaranteed loss at a neutral, which requires your fans to buy flights to DFW or Houston or Atl when its still 100 degrees outside and would otherwise have ZERO tourist appeal, was not such a good idea.

Whereas a team like WV could schedule Bama in a year when their home schedule sucks and presto, Bama alone drives season ticket sales. Look at the sips with LSU.

But yes, Bama is probably done raping in neutral stadiums.

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Maybe. Alabama isn't the only team that will be doing it. And Nick Saban is on the record saying he wants to see 10 Power-5 opponents a year.

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But he is not a fool. He wants to win. He will not schedule potential losses for no reward. Currently, the committee gives him no incentive. He wants the NCAA to pass rules requiring everyone in the SEC to play a schedule that will kill whatever depth we have long before we get to the game with Bama. Nobody else in the SEC is about to give him another way to exploit his superior depth, no matter the pretense of morality.

I don't think Nick Saban is a fool. I also don't think Nick Saban is a bull****ter that would spend any time advocating for more Power-5 games if he had no intention of ever doing it. Further, Alabama isn't a program that strikes me as one sitting around counting potential losses.

But we're focused way too much on Alabama. The point wasn't Alabama. The point was greater than Alabama. Clemson? Check. Georgia? Check. Florida? Check. The Big 10? Check. The Pac-12? Check.

(And the point wasn't to go play two premier programs every year, either.)

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I don't think Nick Saban is a fool. I also don't think Nick Saban is a bull****ter that would spend any time advocating for more Power-5 games if he had no intention of ever doing it. Further, Alabama isn't a program that strikes me as one sitting around counting potential losses.

But we're focused way too much on Alabama. The point wasn't Alabama. The point was greater than Alabama. Clemson? Check. Georgia? Check. Florida? Check. The Big 10? Check. The Pac-12? Check.

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None of those other divisions play a comparable conference schedule. And nobody is calling Saban a fool nor a bluffer. The guy is a cold-hearted genius and I respect his intellect. I respect his ability to think outside the box to gain an advantage. He wants the rule, b/c it would benefit him at the expense of the rest of the SECw.

Bama recruits enough depth to play Wisconsin, Florida State, and the SECw in the same year. The attrition would take a toll on everybody else in the SECw the second half of the season. Advantage Saban.

I doubt Saban ever expects to lose. But play enough good programs on the road, they win sometimes.

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Arky @ jerryworld one of the most universally despised discussion topics Fran maybe the only other topic with such unanamity of opinion. Both Sherman and bringing back the tu game have a higher approval rating than arky in Dallas

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It's a fun party weekend in DFW every year, Jimbo has stated that he likes games in those types of stadiums/environments because it prepares the team for Playoff/Bowl, the games have been great, those of us who have been to every one of the games will confirm that the atmospheres for all the games have been great (good games help with that), Aggies always outnumber the hogs and we have WON 6 highly contested games in a row in that building.

WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?

I guarantee you if we had played some of those games in Fayetville and not Arlington we would have lost them and then how would people feel about the game?

If you want another big name game at Kyle tell the AD to schedule one instead of double directional Louisiana.

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THIS. 100%.

10 years later I still laugh at the garbage line: "it will help DFW recruiting"

good grief, A&M has lost many a great player from the Metroplex in the past decade.

most recently the Ohio State DB from Grand Prairie that went #3 overall in the draft.

maybe the Ags should play a neutral site game in Houston to win the recruiting battles for Jaylen Waddle, Walker Little, and Cee Dee Lamb next time

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10 years later I still laugh at the garbage line: "it will help DFW recruiting"

good grief, A&M has lost many a great player from the Metroplex in the past decade.

most recently the Ohio State DB from Grand Prairie that went #3 overall in the draft.

maybe the Ags should play a neutral site game in Houston to win the recruiting battles for Jaylen Waddle, Walker Little, and Cee Dee Lamb next time

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Interesting thought: with flights becoming more difficult, does this crop of kids choose to stay closer to home?

I don't think these games are the magic code to recruiting, but no program is ever going to have a lock on DFW. Even a program that's won a lot more than A&M isn't going to have a lock on DFW.

A&M has had landed some very good players from DFW over the years.

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fightintxaggie10 said:

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Its an unnecessary risk to have both teams go on the road like that with the Corona Virus. I could see this becoming a home game for that reason.

But also.....our conference home schedule:

Nov 7: Ole Miss
Nov 14: Vanderbilt
Nov 28: LSU



Thats it. Weak.

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I want this contract terminated as soon as possible. If we don't go to JerryWorld this year, he'll want us to add another year to the deal.

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Skeletor will want 10 for 1

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Yep, just play it out and be done with it!

Bring it on. I love me some bacon.

$$$$$$$$$ is important, never have enuf in a war. Never have enuf guns, tanks, facilities, reruiting budget, assts/consultants, etc.

A neutral site game once/yr takes a good game away from the home fans. It should never be, IMO, a league game. UF/UGA is a tradition that I don't understand and didn't understand when I was a student at UGA.

Neutral site game also hurts local businesses: hotels, restaurants, bars, etc. Teams will usually get paid as much or more than they would profit at home, and they get much exposure at a major recruiting place.

But season tix holders are likely to look at the entire package cost and pay almost the same for 7 games as they would for 8.

FYI A&M and Arkansas have both reported that the two schools make $3MM more a year off of the game in Arlington than they do by playing a home and home.......

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FYI A&M and Arkansas have both reported that the two schools make $3MM more a year off of the game in Arlington than they do by playing a home and home.......

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And how do they do that? By taking a game which ought to be included in the season ticket package out, and forcing season ticket holders to buy that ticket separately. It's not because some third party is putting more money into the game.

So, if you're fine with continuing to screw season ticket holders in order to squeeze a little bit more money out of them, while we are about to head into the deepest recession since the 1930s, then fine. But don't pretend that this is a good deal for our fans. It's a rip off.