Nobody in any of the previous 20 threads I've seen on this subject has mentioned that during the play in question Myles continued to wrestle Rudolph to the ground long after he had thrown the ball. That alone probably could have been a roughing the passer play. Rudolph gets pissed and acts like a little ***** and tries to pull Garrett's helmet off, and then Myles retaliates and shows him how it's really done.

At that point, double ejection was possible and the situation could have been calmed as Pouncey pushed Garrett away.

Once Rudolph reinitiates aggression toward Garrett that's when ish hit the fan.

It bothers me that MG acted the way he did and lost his cool at the end of a game that was well in hand. But it also bothers me that Rudolph's behavior seems to be glossed over by everyone other than TexAgs (where the bias is clearly in Garrett's favor).

Reminds me of the Pacers/Pistons brawl of 2004. Could have just been a hard foul by Ron Artest but Ben Wallace went nuts and things went crazy from there. Same here with Garrett: an unnecessary but not atypical penalty leads to a big fight and major suspensions/fines that will likely never be equaled.

Rudolph's behavior is glossed over because he didn't assault anyone with a helmet. Not trying to be super dramatic, but that's a straight up assault charge if it's not on a football field.

The people defending him are pretty sick. That was one of the worst assaults of a player in NFL history. Pile drive the smallest player on the field. Rip off his helmet, and beat him with it. If anyone else did this to a coworker we would be in jail.

I agree with this take, and I hate ESPN.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing%3fplatform=amp

Sorry, man, I don't think your play by play is as objective as you think it is.

MG was clearly in the wrong while taking MR down after the pass. MR is grabbing for MG while still being pinned down. MG pulls MR's helmet off, and as MR takes a step toward him he gets assaulted with his own helmet. Assault is not an exaggeration here.

Nothing about what MG did is defensible, and he was the initial aggressor as well as the worst offender in terms of severity. If he doesn't know you can't do any of that, he needs a long time to sit and think.

if he would have connected we might be talking about the first player killed on the field. Miles is a dirty player, sad but true. He's done for the year.

Bunch of rally cats.

I compared a player I like, and who to this point in his life has always been a picture of restraint and quiet dominance, even in the face of dirty play against him (remember the countless holds against him in college that never got called) to Ron Artest.

Garrett acted like a thug, plain and simple. Rudolph acted like a little *****, plain and simple. Both should be punished appropriately for their involvement.

MG shouldn't have swung the helmet, but I have zero issue with any other part of that scrum other than Pouncey kicking at MG's head while he's down on the ground. If Rudolph hadn't been a punk at the beginning, nothing would have happened. Or if Rudolph hadn't run BACK into the situation without a helmet, nothing else would have happened.

You must have overlooked the other 20 threads where everything you said was discussed.

Objective analysis, there was enoigh dumb to go around twice.

MR: dude, MG can snap you in half, you are not his equal physically, this is not a B12 DE, why are you grabbing at his helmet then pursuing him without a helmet?

MG: bro, really? Don't let this punk get to you emotionally at the end of a game.

Pouncey: stomping a guy with a helmet on? Come on...

For punishment view actions in bubble:

MG: removed the helmet, swung it - suspend rest of season

MR: tried to twist a players head off - one game suspension

Pouncey: stomping a player's head - three game suspension

What kind of suspension did Ray Lewis get? I would say give Garrett half of that.

rockylarues said:

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Sorry, man, I don't think your play by play is as objective as you think it is.

MG was clearly in the wrong while taking MR down after the pass. MR is grabbing for MG while still being pinned down. MG pulls MR's helmet off, and as MR takes a step toward him he gets assaulted with his own helmet. Assault is not an exaggeration here.

Nothing about what MG did is defensible, and he was the initial aggressor as well as the worst offender in terms of severity. If he doesn't know you can't do any of that, he needs a long time to sit and think.

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U have pretty obviously never played meaningful football.

Sure Myles should have stopped with the hit on the QB.

However looking at the angle it is unclear whether he knew the QB had thrown the pass. The refs do not blow whistles once the ball is out and garrett had his head down so it is certainly plausible that Garrett thought MR still had the ball and was trying to finish the play as no whistles had blown.

Second, as they are going to the ground MR puts his foot in MG's groin and starts trying to yank his helmet off. He gets it halfway off before garrett retaliates by yanking MR'S helmet off. That is clearly on MR. If he had not tried tl rip of MG'S helmet the play stops there and his team is awarded a 15 yard penalty for MG'S mistake on the tackle.

But no, while they are on the ground he tries to get away with two cheap shots. The first being ripping off Garrett's helmet. The second being the foot in the groin.

Then after his helmet comes off he and his two teammates continue to go after garret.

Its a 3 vs 1 scenario. In a 3 vs 1 scenario I am using a weapon. And I am entitled to use a weapon, on the football field or off.

If it wasn't a 3 vs 1 fight would Garrett have used the helmet? Maybe.

But no way to know for sure. The fact is he has 3 guys coming after him and that alone warrants using the helmet.

The ***** QB instigated this every step of the way.

The sad thing is that because the NFL is now committed to babying QB'S he will probably get nothing while Garrett takes the heat.

Garrett's actions were trash. Nothing "u played meaningful football" comes close to excusing that. He should be suspended

Lol if he went to any other school the outrage would be the same on this board as any other. It was a lowbrow play, and I hope he doesn't play the rest of the year.

SquirrellyDan said:

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Rudolph's behavior is glossed over because he didn't assault anyone with a helmet. Not trying to be super dramatic, but that's a straight up assault charge if it's not on a football field.

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No one disputes that is assault. But MR also committed assault. And he was the one that instigated it by charging at him.

I've seen Kellen take worse and more questionable hits. I've never seen Kellen remotely loose his cool like the Steeler QB. kid just picks himself up and moves on to the next play.

MEEN is correct. There should be 3 suspensions handed out and Myles should get the longest.

jammer262 said:

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Lol if he went to any other school the outrage would be the same on this board as any other. It was a lowbrow play, and I hope he doesn't play the rest of the year.

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Almost everyone on this board is outraged by what Myles did. Myles himself is regretful for what he did.

What you will see on Texags that you aren't seeing anywhere else, is people calling out Rudolph for instigating and then elevating the situation.

OP has is exactly right.

If Garrett threw Rudolph's helmet to the ground, it's over. Both guys get a fine, but we move on.

If Rudolph doesn't run back over there and scream at Garrett, it's over.

HoustonAggie37713 said:

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The people defending him are pretty sick. That was one of the worst assaults of a player in NFL history. Pile drive the smallest player on the field. Rip off his helmet, and beat him with it. If anyone else did this to a coworker we would be in jail.

I agree with this take, and I hate ESPN.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing%3fplatform=amp

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If you are including OP, then I think that is unfair. I woke up this morning knowing nothing about this incident. When I watched it, I had the same initial reaction. I admit I am biased, not because he is an Aggie but because of his demeanor up until now and went into it thinking something wasn't right.

When I watched the video the first thing I saw was MR aggressively trying to take MG's helmet off. MG took offense and retaliated in kind (not appropriate but not egregious). It would have ended there but MR charges aggressively (looks pissed/possessed) at MG and he reacted terribly (I don't think it was malicious, but just the only thing that came to mind in that instant).

I think the problem is that there is not equal coverage. Pouncy should get whatever MG gets for throwing punches and kicking him in the head. It shouldn't matter whether MG had his helmet on or not.

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Its a 3 vs 1 scenario. In a 3 vs 1 scenario I am using a weapon. And I am entitled to use a weapon, on the football field or off.

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It definitely was not 3 vs 1. 66 was in the middle of it the whole time and practically did nothing but protect Myles. He started off by holding him back and then took him to the ground and shielded him from blows from other Steelers.

"However looking at the angle it is unclear whether he knew the QB had thrown the pass. The refs do not blow whistles once the ball is out and garrett had his head down so it is certainly plausible that Garrett thought MR still had the ball and was trying to finish the play as no whistles had blown.

Second, as they are going to the ground MR puts his foot in MG's groin and starts trying to yank his helmet off. He gets it halfway off before garrett retaliates by yanking MR'S helmet off. That is clearly on MR. If he had not tried tl rip of MG'S helmet the play stops there and his team is awarded a 15 yard penalty for MG'S mistake on the tackle.

But no, while they are on the ground he tries to get away with two cheap shots. The first being ripping off Garrett's helmet. The second being the foot in the groin..."


This is actually the most complete, and I believe accurate, analysis of what really happened last night. If it is true that Myles believed that Rudolph still had the ball, he was simply completing the play, then responding to Rudolph's aggression.

The helmet swing was over the top, and Myles will have repercussions for that. However, I don't believe he was "thugging". He was responding.

HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Pile drive the smallest player on the field.

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For the record Rudolph is listed as 6'5" 235lbs so he is definitely not the smallest guy on the field.

Heisenberg01 said:

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jammer262 said:

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Lol if he went to any other school the outrage would be the same on this board as any other. It was a lowbrow play, and I hope he doesn't play the rest of the year.

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Almost everyone on this board is outraged by what Myles did. Myles himself is regretful for what he did.

What you will see on Texags that you aren't seeing anywhere else, is people calling out Rudolph for instigating and then elevating the situation.

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Rudolph's comments in the post game presser made me nauseous. Garrett is gonna get the punishment he deserves. But then that little smug ass(who had a major role in the escalation) stands up there and calls him bush league, cowardly, and a bully. It was a calculated, ***** move on his part and will fuel the flames of the public beating that Garrett will receive.

SquirrellyDan said:

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Rudolph's behavior is glossed over because he didn't assault anyone with a helmet. Not trying to be super dramatic, but that's a straight up assault charge if it's not on a football field.

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He wouldn't have gotten hit by a helmet if he would've backed off. But instead he chose to charge at Garrett while Garrett was being restrained by two Olinemen.

Sounds more like self defense to me.

Myles made a dumb decision during a game that, by its nature, is violent. Did he do it minus any provocation? No. Should he have swung his helmet? No. Should he receive a stiff suspension? Absolutely. But the claims that this is equivalent to rape or is somehow aggravated assault are ridiculous. There are players who intentionally target other players which actually result in serious long-term injury, and while treated as vile, aren't getting the level of animosity that people are throwing Myle's way. He made a stupid mistake in the heat of the moment, but the after effects are people being overly dramatic. **** happens... get over it. He'll serve his suspension and hopefully learn a valuable lesson on keeping your cool no matter what. I honestly don't get the over the top outrage... I've seen worse.

The narrative on Texags that this was out of character for Myles is hilarious.

He sucker punched Delaney Walker this year!

This is the thread people will refer to when they mock Aggies for defending Myles.

Some of you guys sound like you are trying to defend a guy who beat up his girlfriend.

Garrett ended up swinging a weapon at Rudolph's head.

Nothing that happened leading up to that excuses his behavior. Nothing.

I can hear some of you now "she kept yelling at him, she slapped him so he was justified in knocking her out".

You honestly make all Aggies look bad with this nonsense

Garrets own teammates and coach say it's inexcusable but here you are saying it's not his fault.

I'm sad to say that Myles Garrett has now become the next Vontaze Burfict.
This will always follow him and any questionable hit goes against him.


Mason Rudolph isn't innocent in this thing, but Garrett wasn't justified.

Did stuff lead up to the incident? Yes.

Does any of that stuff excuse trying to hit a player in the head with his own helmet? No.

Just watched the clip for the first time and I'm probably in the huge minority but this is being blown totally out of proportion. Obviously MG should get suspended but so should all the Steelers players that were kicking Garrett in the head in retaliation.

The OPs take is spot on. Garrett tackled the QB as he was completed a pass. He probably shouldn't have tackled him all the way to the ground, but I would note that I don't believe the ref threw a flag for a late hit so it wasn't that bad.

Then MR grabs Garrett helmet and won't let him get off, MR starts the altercation, MG just finished it.

No big deal. Hand out the proper suspensions to all offenders and move on.

I here what you're saying, but are we just gonna ignore the Steelers that were wailing on Garrett after he went to the ground?

I guess I'll take my turn now.

I say Myles make a hit on Rudolph and roll away to avoid landing on him. Rudolph was a beech and started chirping ( probably because he's thrown 4 picks by this point and is ass). Tired to pull of Garrets helmet. Myles said WTF and removes Rudolph's helmet. Rudolph then continues to go at Myles who then smacks him with said helmet. Dumb? Yes. Dangerous? Very? Are they both idiots? 100%. Suspend Myles for the rest of the season; but come on. The NFL has child abusers, spousal/women abusers, drug abusers all still playing. I am disheartened that Myles is trending to be a Burfict type guy though.

Actually just watched the replay again. The Steelers OL did virtually nothing to stop Garrett. He wasn't even overly aggressive. Rudolph was aggressive first towards Garrett while they were on the ground. However, once Garrett pulled off the helmet, he should have just dropped it. He could have still fought with the two OL and nothing likely would have come from it.