No - this is not a "wait until next year" thread. But a more realistic view on how you should feel about A&M football.. Building a reliable/championship level team does not happen overnight.

Check out the years of 2008-2011 for Clemson - good thing they didnt up and fire Dabo after year 2.. or year 3.. or year 4...

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/clemson/index.html

It takes some time to build it. Pull your head out and try to see where we are going.

But but but... Curse, 1939, wait til next year, moral victory, accepting mediocrity...

Am I doing it rite?

Ahh next year, the year that never happens lol

Clemson didn't have to wait since 1939. Danny Ford won the national title there in 1980.

80 years of "we are building up our program...just give it a couple more years" rings hollow for someone like me who was nave enough to be a "good Ag" and believe it all these years.

I am getting close to 60 years old and have heard this for decades.

Being shouted down and told to shut up and just be a good Ag when that's what we have all been doing since 1939 doesn't hold any credibility now.

Many of us old Ags live Aggie football. We have paid our dues in blood, sweat, tears, emotional investment, and money.


Maybe if a team could win a National Championship before we die it would be nice.

Is that too much for Ol' Army to ask?

Or are we being bad Aggies?

stop whining about people whining

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Clemson didn't have to wait since 1939. Danny Ford won the national title there in 1980.

80 years of "we are building up our program...just give it a couple more years" rings hollow for someone like me who was nave enough to be a "good Ag" and believe it all these years.

I am getting close to 60 years old and have heard this for decades.

Being shouted down and told to shut up and just be a good Ag when that's what we have all been doing since 1939 doesn't hold any credibility now.

Many of us old Ags live Aggie football. We have paid our dues in blood, sweat, tears, emotional investment, and money.


Maybe if a team could win a National Championship before we die it would be nice.

Is that too much for Ol' Army to ask?

Or are we being bad Aggies?

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I've got T-shirts your age. Stop your whining. I turned 68 yesterday! And I was in the REAL Army.

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I turned 68 yesterday!

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Happy birthday! I got you social security I will never be able to draw.

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I turned 68 yesterday!

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Happy birthday! I got you social security I will never be able to draw.

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I appreciate it too!

bv86ag said:

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Clemson didn't have to wait since 1939. Danny Ford won the national title there in 1980.

80 years of "we are building up our program...just give it a couple more years" rings hollow for someone like me who was nave enough to be a "good Ag" and believe it all these years.

I am getting close to 60 years old and have heard this for decades.

Being shouted down and told to shut up and just be a good Ag when that's what we have all been doing since 1939 doesn't hold any credibility now.

Many of us old Ags live Aggie football. We have paid our dues in blood, sweat, tears, emotional investment, and money.


Maybe if a team could win a National Championship before we die it would be nice.

Is that too much for Ol' Army to ask?

Or are we being bad Aggies?

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It's not too much to ask for success, but this is a classic case of letting emotion trump logic. Anyone can see that the talent on this team was NEVER going to win a championship this year. If you were expecting that to happen, it's your own fault. And now disillusion has turned to anger, yet again clouding logic. Jimbo is obviously building something here. It is getting better and will continue to get better. But that **** isn't gonna happen tomorrow.

I don't have the same invested as I am a mere babe at 50.

BUT....I was pretty ticked at the poor effort Saturday. We can spin all we want and it is MOST certainly a defeat we can (and I still say will) overcome with JF, BUT we were simply never really in it. Thay really did not happen last year. Even in the Bama game, we fought pretty damn hard. They were just better. But we made plays.

This game is like a CHECK ENGINE light coming on. You don't trade the car in, but you take it in pretty damn quick.

In Y2, against a FR QB, I expected more.

JF is our guy and I think he can get us there, but have some doubts in my head that did not exist in 2018.

7-5 vs this schedule is not really a set back unless we get outclassed in most of the 5 losses. Right now, we have been in both of the 2 L's we have put up.

I hate to fall into the compare/contrast with the Austinites, but as "meh" as they were in Y1 of Herman's tenure, they sure fought hard. Their sh%$tty QB play cost them 4 of their 6 losses, but they overacheived alot (provided they never play Maryland again ).

Last year, they beat OU (almost twice) and crushed UGA.

JF needs to gt these Ags to fight as hard as those dillweeds do for their coach.

Fire away.

Poor baby. So you are near 60 years old and up to your neck in frustration that the Aggies haven't won an NC in your lifetime and is it to much to ask for one. I am 85 years old and been going to Aggie games are watching them for 70 years. I have been frustrated more times than you have pal. It has never crossed my mind that being sans an NC is a reason to be frustrated. Obviously, you have no idea why an Aggie would have that mindset. So be it. You have every right to your opinion, obviously. It is just sad to me that Ags ( actually, it is Aggies) have your mindset, no NC so Aggie football sucks.

Look, no matter how old or young you are, unless you're in school right now you've been through this dance before of "Be patient! Coach X just needs time to get his guys! The sleeping Giant is finally ready to wake up!"

....and then nothing but more mediocrity

I'm not ready to give up on Jimbo but we are all tired of being told to "just be patient"

We aren't paying Jimbo "just be patient" money

We are paying him "why aren't we getting better now" money

So yes, I get we don't have the talent this year but I also get that it's a third of the way into the season and our entire offense still looks lost and clueless out there

So enough with the excuses

Enough with the "just be patient"

Enough with "wait till next year"

Plenty of us have had a lifetime of it and we want wins now, not more excuses

I am always entertained by the "sky is falling" attitude on the Zoo. It is perhaps the one consistent thing in life. Job, women, dogs...nothing is as consistent or reliable as the panic anxiety on TexAgs.

Doesn't matter how old you are, or how many years since the last title.
We are we are right now. And the road from now to being great is the same length, regardless of history.
Nick F'n Saban would take some time too. We're closer to his Mich St situation than any of his other college stops. Check out those records before he got em going.

I seem to recall that the EXPECTATION was that we would be 7-5 to 8-4-ish. Since Day One Liucci has predicted 8-4, with a nudge towards 9-3 after the first game.

Personally, My EXPECTATION - which I have written before - was that we would be 8-4, with a win against one of the Big 4, and a loss to someone we "shouldn't". The jury is still out on this team, as well as the Auburn team. There's a lot of season left before I am prepared to call this a BELOW EXPECTATIONS year.

Even if we finish 8-5 this year, with losses to 5 Top Ten worthy teams, I'll be frustrated, but rational. We've been 8-5 before with losses to maybe ONE team in the Top Ten, and maybe 3 in the Top 25. We're building to be a perennial elite program, but you CAN NOT snap your fingers and "make it happen" with this type of schedule. We're now in the Big Boy league, and i daresay we're holding our own at this point in Jimbo's tenure - with the tools he has to work with.

It baffles me how many Aggies recognize that our schedule this year is arguably the toughest in the nation, but still melt down if we - in year two - lose a game to the #7 team in the country, much less the #1 team. Jeezus, the Patriots aren't even held to that kind of standard. Baffling.

Enjoy the season, and keep your eye on 2020. And even if we fall short next year, remember that Jackie didn't do squat until year 4! Would you give up 85 through 87 in hindsight? If so, I really don't know what else to say.

Coaches that go onto greatness rarely need years and years to get going. Jimbo took over a mess at FSU and was really turning it around right away. I'm not talking titles. I'm saying winning big games at home. Not looking like crap at home.

Dabo hit 10+ wins consistently, starting in year 4.
In year 3 he went 6-7.

In the ACC.

Let Jimbo work.

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Poor baby. So you are near 60 years old and up to your neck in frustration that the Aggies haven't won an NC in your lifetime and is it to much to ask for one. I am 85 years old and been going to Aggie games are watching them for 70 years. I have been frustrated more times than you have pal. It has never crossed my mind that being sans an NC is a reason to be frustrated. Obviously, you have no idea why an Aggie would have that mindset. So be it. You have every right to your opinion, obviously. It is just sad to me that Ags ( actually, it is Aggies) have your mindset, no NC so Aggie football sucks.

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Wow, I hope that 28 years from now I'm not posting messages that say I'm ok with never having seen a NC.

But then again, congratulations to you for making it to 85. If I make it that far I'll be happy just to watch a game at that point.

All I hear is "poor me... whaaa whaaa... we paid money... boo hoo, give me my championship... waaa waaaa, but they always said that... waaaa whineeee . cry panic ... "

My lord people. Have some perspective.

How is this situation different from saying "let him build it" when Fran started?
uh, there was no 77-0 stomping in year 1 - there is consistency with Jimbo . oh also, none of those other guys had done it before as a championship head coach.

None of them recruited like Jimbo.

Stop smoking and eating oreos and maybe you will live a little longer - hell stop getting your panties in a wad over something you have zero control over and maybe you live a bit longer as well.

Old Army seems to be just as impatient and petulant as New Army. Geez -- yeah, you are still whiners

Ok. We will wait until next year. Building Champions!

Fisher seems to be a good coach. There have been noticeable improvements in technique and scheme.

But one national championship doesn't make him a Saban and his parting year(s) at Florida State (plus what he left behind) raise questions. One-year plus at A&M doesn't say much about what he will bring and it is too early to guess what he might do with talent that fits his philosophy.

However, one thing that raises concerns is discipline. That's something that was expected from Fisher and that shouldn't take too long to instill, no matter whose recruits he has. Still, we see too many mistakes (penalties) in and-goal situations and at other critical junctures.

Madubuike's roughing and Myle's block-in-the-back at Clemson were killers. Beal's been around for a couple of years and if it's not yet ingrained that you don't kick an opponent regardless of the provocation, then somebody is failing the discipline test. Yes, it is hard to line up across from a monster for seemingly minutes and not flinch, but it is a skill that can and must be learned. First thing.

The one result many expected from Fisher from the get-go was a team with pride, poise and discipline. If that's coming, it's late.

Here we go. When the team lets you down, lower the expectations.

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Poor baby. So you are near 60 years old and up to your neck in frustration that the Aggies haven't won an NC in your lifetime and is it to much to ask for one. I am 85 years old and been going to Aggie games are watching them for 70 years. I have been frustrated more times than you have pal. It has never crossed my mind that being sans an NC is a reason to be frustrated. Obviously, you have no idea why an Aggie would have that mindset. So be it. You have every right to your opinion, obviously. It is just sad to me that Ags ( actually, it is Aggies) have your mindset, no NC so Aggie football sucks.

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Wrong poster lol I'm not anywhere near 60yrs old

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Fisher seems to be a good coach. There have been noticeable improvements in technique and scheme.

But one national championship doesn't make him a Saban and his parting year(s) at Florida State (plus what he left behind) raise questions. One-year plus at A&M doesn't say much about what he will bring and it is too early to guess what he might do with talent that fits his philosophy.

However, one thing that raises concerns is discipline. That's something that was expected from Fisher and that shouldn't take too long to instill, no matter whose recruits he has. Still, we see too many mistakes (penalties) in and-goal situations and at other critical junctures.

Madubuike's roughing and Myle's block-in-the-back at Clemson were killers. Beal's been around for a couple of years and if it's not yet ingrained that you don't kick an opponent regardless of the provocation, then somebody is failing the discipline test. Yes, it is hard to line up across from a monster for seemingly minutes and not flinch, but it is a skill that can and must be learned. First thing.

The one result many expected from Fisher from the get-go was a team with pride, poise and discipline. If that's coming, it's late.

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Jimbo is not a discipline guru. He's not going to change his approach at his age. He's simply not a control freak like Meyer or Saban, but he can still win a lot of games and have some incredibly special seasons.

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Look, no matter how old or young you are, unless you're in school right now you've been through this dance before of "Be patient! Coach X just needs time to get his guys! The sleeping Giant is finally ready to wake up!"

....and then nothing but more mediocrity

I'm not ready to give up on Jimbo but we are all tired of being told to "just be patient"

We aren't paying Jimbo "just be patient" money

We are paying him "why aren't we getting better now" money

So yes, I get we don't have the talent this year but I also get that it's a third of the way into the season and our entire offense still looks lost and clueless out there

So enough with the excuses

Enough with the "just be patient"

Enough with "wait till next year"

Plenty of us have had a lifetime of it and we want wins now, not more excuses

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You can be impatient all you want, that's not going to make a freshman any older.

Whining will stop when winning starts.

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Whining will stop when winning starts.

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OK suit yourself, be miserable then.

Dabo taking 5 years to finish in the top 10 is a poor comparison to us because Dabo started with so much less..Compare 2008 Clemson to 2019 Texas A&M in terms of recruiting location, money for staff, facilities, and resources. Georgia is a MUCH better comparison and Kirby won IMMEDIATELY going 13-2 in year 2, beating OU in the Rose Bowl and giving Bama all they could handle in the title game. They have never looked back either..

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except for that Sugar Bowl

We could only dream of caring so little about a Sugar Bowl that we mailed it in..

I think the fact we started both halves so poorly really left a bad taste, while AU came out like they HAD to win made for a stark contrast. There were too many pre-snap penalties on offense as well.

I have a (hopefully) realistic viewpoint that maybe some of you might consider at some time: starting as a fish in 1970, I have witnessed almost 50 years of Aggie football and have seen many up & down seasons, but one thing I have realized over the years is that it definitely takes time to build a quality football program that consistently stays at the top or near the top. When Emory Bellard succeeded Gene Stallings as head coach after the '71 season, he brought the Wishbone attack and had to recruit accordingly, thus taking two years before favorable results began to be seen in his 3rd year and for the next few years. After Emory abruptly resigned, Tom Wilson took over as interim head coach and head coach but his tenure was characterized as lackluster. Jackie Sherrill was hired to replace Wilson and Ags everywhere had high expectations that we were finally going to the promised land. Well again, it took until the last 2 games of Jackie's 2nd season before the Ags began to turn the corner with wins over TCU, who were a major SWC contender under Jim Wacker, and tu under Darrell Royal, in Austin. In Jackie's 3rd year, the Ags won the SWC and went to the Cotton Bowl, continuing that run for the next two years. Jimbo has been our next big hire since Jackie and I firmly believe the pattern that was set by Bellard and Sherrill will take place: it requires cleaning of the house from the previous coaching regime, recruiting the players to fit his schemes, instilling his culture, etc. It takes time: be patient and realize that it is a process that will pay big dividends down the road. This is only Jimbo's 2nd year with still a lot of young players. The Ags have played 2 of their first 4 games this season against top 10 teams and there are Ags out there who expect the team to be undefeated and contending for a championship this year. Tap the brakes and ride it out and let's see what happens.

In those AMAZING years of Jackie, how many times did we finish ranked in the top 5? How about those dominant teams under Slocum? Any top 5 finishes? And these are the glory years? Good grief..I am not even asking for a top 5 finish for Aggie football..but is it too much to expect to beat Auburn at home? Or Miss St on the road? Or produce a winning percentage on par with perhaps Oklahoma State over a meaningful period of time? The other schools with our money and resources are laughing at what we refer to as our glory years..

Whoa no need to get so defensive and get your feathers ruffled. My point was everyone needs to be PATIENT and let's see how the Jimbo Fisher regime plays out. Alot of Ags were already giving up on Emory and Jackie during their second years just like what is happening right now with many Ags expecting Jimbo to be competing with the big dogs now. We aren't there yet but I am confident that we will eventually.

Don't tell me what to do. It's a SPORT. Meant for entertainment. If we want to be irrational about it who cares?

Get a life.