What an odd argument. Washington state has been a doormat forever. He has a better win % at wsu than Sherrill and Dennis Erickson, 2 pretty ****ing good college coaches, had there.

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Except Mond was more accurate in week 1 than we've ever seen him... You know what else can affect accuracy? 2 YPC on the ground, making you one dimensional, knocking you off schedule, having the defense back waiting for the pass every play or bringing an extra blitzer off the edge that the RB / Tackle's fail to pick up.

Seriously Mond played a great defense in a tough environment. He missed some passes. But he was pressured constantly and when he did make great throws his WR's refused to make plays (most of the time). The ground game failed to take pressure off the passing game. It was an all around disappointing game for everybody.

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wow ur delusional.

he had plenty of time all game long. he missed a wide open reciever with noone else around him and noone in his face. overthrew him by 10 yards. it wasn't even close. the interception he threw on the one was abysmal.

he can't even read the end on an RPO and pull the ball.

he is atrocious.

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Except Mond was more accurate in week 1 than we've ever seen him... You know what else can affect accuracy? 2 YPC on the ground, making you one dimensional, knocking you off schedule, having the defense back waiting for the pass every play or bringing an extra blitzer off the edge that the RB / Tackle's fail to pick up.

Seriously Mond played a great defense in a tough environment. He missed some passes. But he was pressured constantly and when he did make great throws his WR's refused to make plays (most of the time). The ground game failed to take pressure off the passing game. It was an all around disappointing game for everybody.

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A weak running game should not affect your ability to throw the ball with some semblance of accuracy. I'm sorry, but that's downright silly.

I watched the game today, because I was hunting yesterday, and Mond was downright terrible in the 1st half. The running game had nothing to do with it.

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You don't think a top 10 defense is going to have more success stopping a one-dimensional team? Give me a break. You don't think the receivers struggled? You don't think the OL struggled? Did the RB's do their job in pass protection? Did anyone around Mond do anything to make things easier for him? If you think so, maybe stick to hunting.

What's frustrating is he misses on such big play opportunities when he has no pash rush and not super long throw. Plays that can affect the entire game.

The ones this past game. Also clearly remember missing wide open long TDs on other games. MSU last year.

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Except Mond was more accurate in week 1 than we've ever seen him... You know what else can affect accuracy? 2 YPC on the ground, making you one dimensional, knocking you off schedule, having the defense back waiting for the pass every play or bringing an extra blitzer off the edge that the RB / Tackle's fail to pick up.

Seriously Mond played a great defense in a tough environment. He missed some passes. But he was pressured constantly and when he did make great throws his WR's refused to make plays (most of the time). The ground game failed to take pressure off the passing game. It was an all around disappointing game for everybody.

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wow ur delusional.

he had plenty of time all game long. he missed a wide open reciever with noone else around him and noone in his face. overthrew him by 10 yards. it wasn't even close. the interception he threw on the one was abysmal.

he can't even read the end on an RPO and pull the ball.

he is atrocious.

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He missed him by 3 yards, not 10. I get it. You're upset that Clemson did exactly what Vegas and everyone outside of College Station thought they would do. I get how that would confuse you.

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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.560 at WSU. Damn right! Do you know anything about WSU? Pullman makes Lubbock look urban and they play in a glorified (Texas) high school stadium. Leach is just too quirky for blue blood or big money schools. I'd love to see him running loose with a big time program.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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Anyone considers what he's done in Pullman an almost miracle.

Last time they had 4 winning seasons in a row was in the 30s

My point is, you guys act like he's one of the greatest quarterback coaches to ever do it when he's not even close. And it blows my mind that he's fooled this thread into thinking you can't actually coach accuracy. That's because he's never coached a QB anything beyond throwing to the first read. His entire offense is predicated on his QB's not thinking at all. There is zero processing. Ever noticed how not a single one of his quarterbacks have had an NFL career? Sure, I'll give it to you that he's a great offensive mind. But he's not the QB developer that some of y'all are making him out to be.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

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Let's just say he does more with less than almost anyone. In the profession he is very respected.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

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Yuuuuupp.

(largely because Mike Leach led Tech teams kept kicking our ass (year after year))

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There are QBs who are consistently accurate even when they are stressed or pressured. Mond was not one of those QBs last night.

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I feel like there is some way to blame JFF for all this.

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It certainly doesn't help settle the cliff-jumpers and pot-bangers when the images of JFF's generational talent are still fresh in our minds. He gave us a measuring stick that is difficult to apply to most college QBs.

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BULL*****.....has nothing to do with measuring Mond against JFF. It wouldn't be close. Mond is a robot, no feel, no touch, no confidence, and apparently a very low football IQ. He makes bad decisions and when Fisher chews his ass out, he stands there like a 3 yr old who just **** his pants. It's time for a change, we aren't a contender, get the next guy ready. Calzada, you're up. If not, we're going to have a great veteran, supporting cast and a liability at QB in 2021......again.

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I've been saying this for the last year on this site. When you are a 59% passer in high school for three years and two year in college your not suddenly turn into a 70&"% passer. Bad mechanics can be improved but not enough to make a great qb. I'm know some people thought that after Texas State he had changed but everyone looks better when receivers are wide open with no rush.
With this being said I believe he is our best hope this year. Fisher sees all the quarterbacks every day and it's not that difficult to chose the best one. Make no mistake, Fisher knows what he's got and he has to make the most of it.

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I remember you saying this for a long time. I'll admit I thought you just doubted Mond too much at the time. Seems like you were right all along. My bad for doubting your judgment on him.

I'd love for him to prove me wrong.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

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Youngster, 1968-1972 says Hi! Only 4 years but terrible.

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tsuag10 said:

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tsuag10 said:

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There are QBs who are consistently accurate even when they are stressed or pressured. Mond was not one of those QBs last night.

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I feel like there is some way to blame JFF for all this.

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It certainly doesn't help settle the cliff-jumpers and pot-bangers when the images of JFF's generational talent are still fresh in our minds. He gave us a measuring stick that is difficult to apply to most college QBs.

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BULL*****.....has nothing to do with measuring Mond against JFF. It wouldn't be close. Mond is a robot, no feel, no touch, no confidence, and apparently a very low football IQ. He makes bad decisions and when Fisher chews his ass out, he stands there like a 3 yr old who just **** his pants. It's time for a change, we aren't a contender, get the next guy ready. Calzada, you're up. If not, we're going to have a great veteran, supporting cast and a liability at QB in 2021......again.

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Johnny was a generational college QB talent and all other QBs we have for the next 20 yrs are going to seem like scrubs by comparison. Some universities get extremely fortunate and have 2 QBs of that caliber in one generation, but it's extremely rare.

Mond played horribly last night, but I'm not quite ready to call for his head yet. Clemson is the #1 ranked team in CFB and they are possibly going to be the back-to-back National Champions.

Let's tap the breaks.

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Except Mond was more accurate in week 1 than we've ever seen him... You know what else can affect accuracy? 2 YPC on the ground, making you one dimensional, knocking you off schedule, having the defense back waiting for the pass every play or bringing an extra blitzer off the edge that the RB / Tackle's fail to pick up.

Seriously Mond played a great defense in a tough environment. He missed some passes. But he was pressured constantly and when he did make great throws his WR's refused to make plays (most of the time). The ground game failed to take pressure off the passing game. It was an all around disappointing game for everybody.

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A weak running game should not affect your ability to throw the ball with some semblance of accuracy. I'm sorry, but that's downright silly.

I watched the game today, because I was hunting yesterday, and Mond was downright terrible in the 1st half. The running game had nothing to do with it.

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You don't think a top 10 defense is going to have more success stopping a one-dimensional team? Give me a break. You don't think the receivers struggled? You don't think the OL struggled? Did the RB's do their job in pass protection? Did anyone around Mond do anything to make things easier for him? If you think so, maybe stick to hunting.

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That's a completely different point than affecting a QBs accuracy. During the first quarter, Clemson was playing a heavy box to stop the run and Mond couldn't hit the broad side of an elephant standing 10 feet in front of him. Heck, the color commentator said as much. And we still ran it pretty well during that quarter despite their D.

Mond is not consistently accurate and he never will be. If we win against good opponents, it'll be because he has brief lapses in his inaccuracy. Blaming everyone but Mond for Mond's play is downright idiotic.

I mean it looks like someone taught Dak Prescott accuracy

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You can see Mond's accuracy get better when he's not rushing and his footwork is sound.

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That's every quarterback alive.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

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Coach Myers, Coach Foldberg, and Coach Stallings say hello with one winning season from 1958-1971

Good old Coach Foldberg, whatever happened to him?

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Also, Mike Leach... one of the top 100 active coaches in college football for sure. Really killing it with his .560 winning percentage at WSU.

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You talmbout the same Mike Leach that racked up 7 wins against A&M from 2001 - 2008?

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You talmbout the 8 worst years of Aggie football in our lifetimes?

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Coach Myers, Coach Foldberg, and Coach Stallings say hello with one winning season from 1958-1971

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This is an interesting time killer. I looked this up the other day and found this site.

All time Aggie W/L

Robert Harry Steitler put up some numbers that will likely never be matched again. In '48 and '49 he had only a single win and two ties. Somehow he made it '50 and turned in a 7-4 record and promptly either got fired or quit.

Kellen missed the wide open receiver in the first series by a few yards but if you go back and look, he was set in a textbook throwing position with no pressure even close and he still blew the throw. That's just not a high caliber QB. High school QB's make that throw 9 outta 10. His problem is between his ears and no matter how it goes. If he doesnt turn the corner things will be status quo until he's gone. I don't know it Jimbo can get him out of the funk but we'll see. But as it is now, it's gonna be a long season because every DC in the West will review this game and challenge him to beat them in the air. Every one. Maybe it was just Clemson I dont know but he played better at home last year against them. If he cant play under the pressure of a big away game then it's pretty much all over. And his receivers didnt help him much either. If I was a receivers coach I'd make them catch hard balls out of the machine thumb to thumb until their wrists had to have the hot tub. .

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Agree. The question is what is the coach seeing in him, that everyone else does not. Are really all the other backups way worse? I would rather take a less mobile quarterback that at least has a higher ceiling, that can grow with each game as a passer and coordinator of the game. I think Mond reached his ceiling and you can't make him any better. This is his third year, and if in 3 years you haven't improved a bit as a passer, than what is there left to see?

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Fisher really likes the fact that Mond supposedly knows what to do. I guess he is less concerned with Mond actually being able to do it.

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My point is, you guys act like he's one of the greatest quarterback coaches to ever do it when he's not even close. And it blows my mind that he's fooled this thread into thinking you can't actually coach accuracy. That's because he's never coached a QB anything beyond throwing to the first read. His entire offense is predicated on his QB's not thinking at all. There is zero processing. Ever noticed how not a single one of his quarterbacks have had an NFL career? Sure, I'll give it to you that he's a great offensive mind. But he's not the QB developer that some of y'all are making him out to be.

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I've also been fooled by Troy Aikman. Aikman has said that the first thing he looks at in a QB is accuracy because he believes that it can only be marginally improved. For the most part, a QB has it or he doesn't.

I'm trying hard not to throw Mond under the bus after only the second game but he is who he is. It is probably time to start game planning for what he is and not what you want him to be. He is a very serviceable and probably above average QB. He is a good Ag and a hard worker. He is probably (fingers crossed) going to get us to 9-4.

It's next year that is going to come into question. Many of us think that is the first year that we might have a chance to make the playoffs. Of course, you still have to beat LSU, 'Bama, and Auburn every year. Almost our entire team could return next year, but I need to see a lot more the rest of the season to have any confidence in our WR, OL, and QB in 2020.

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I've been saying this for the last year on this site. When you are a 59% passer in high school for three years and two year in college your not suddenly turn into a 70&"% passer. Bad mechanics can be improved but not enough to make a great qb. I'm know some people thought that after Texas State he had changed but everyone looks better when receivers are wide open with no rush.
With this being said I believe he is our best hope this year. Fisher sees all the quarterbacks every day and it's not that difficult to chose the best one. Make no mistake, Fisher knows what he's got and he has to make the most of it.

I brought this up multiple times in the past, but I got butchered for it. If you complete less than 60% of your passes in high school, you cannot develop into a passer that can complete 70% of your passes. Next year, it will be the same. HOWEVER, I don't want to throw the next big thing freshman in to the maelstrom. A&M has made their bed for the year. 7 to 9 wins and move on to basketball season.

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If 2020 is suppose to be our year and you don't think Mond is the QB to compete for a national championship it is best to put the QB you think in now even if for a few series each game.
I honestly think that Mond is Jimbo's guy so we will ride or die with him behind center

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I hate to tell you but people are getting the 2020 thing from the same place they're getting the Mond is good thing.

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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My point is, you guys act like he's one of the greatest quarterback coaches to ever do it when he's not even close. And it blows my mind that he's fooled this thread into thinking you can't actually coach accuracy. That's because he's never coached a QB anything beyond throwing to the first read. His entire offense is predicated on his QB's not thinking at all. There is zero processing. Ever noticed how not a single one of his quarterbacks have had an NFL career? Sure, I'll give it to you that he's a great offensive mind. But he's not the QB developer that some of y'all are making him out to be.

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I've also been fooled by Troy Aikman. Aikman has said that the first thing he looks at in a QB is accuracy because he believes that it can only be marginally improved. For the most part, a QB has it or he doesn't.

I'm trying hard not to throw Mond under the bus after only the second game but he is who he is. It is probably time to start game planning for what he is and not what you want him to be. He is a very serviceable and probably above average QB. He is a good Ag and a hard worker. He is probably (fingers crossed) going to get us to 9-4.

It's next year that is going to come into question. Many of us think that is the first year that we might have a chance to make the playoffs. Of course, you still have to beat LSU, 'Bama, and Auburn every year. Almost our entire team could return next year, but I need to see a lot more the rest of the season to have any confidence in our WR, OL, and QB in 2020.

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I agree with game planning around him if you stick with him, but if Jimbo does that, then he's essentially given up on next year too as far as competing for the West; we'll either be starting Mond again, or an inexperienced freshman.

I would have Mond running a lot more, designed runs, and maybe more rollouts.

Pocket passing will be hit or miss and you just don't know what you will get game to game.

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At this age,he is who he is. He's not going to develop good mechanics.

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Then why do college QB's continue to go to work with George Whitfield?

Not being snarky here, just wondering if Whitfield is just a QB snake-oil salesman.

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Whitfield worked wonders for JFF's mechanics before his RS freshman season. His mechanics were terrible coming out of HS. But, Whitfield can only help QBs who:

1. Are willing to work hard to change (lots and lots of excessive repetition)
2. Actually go to him

I think the list of those willing to do the work is shorter than most people believe. Most QBs never even consider #2.

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You can't teach accuracy; you have it or you don't at this level...

"The thing that's amazing to me, is that after all of high school he's not accurate, and now all of a sudden you're special and you're going to make him accurate? And then after college he's not accurate, and you're special and you're going to make him accurate? I just haven't seen that happen. I've seen guys improve, but they don't all of a sudden become accurate."

"The other thing is, you can go grab a shortstop and teach him to play quarterback easier than you can make someone accurate."

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FTR, Mike Leach didn't say this in regards to Mond's play on Saturday, but he did say it, which I thought was super insightful. Also interesting that OP referenced a <9k view video from 3 years ago. (1:27 mark) Amazing memory!

I hate to be the one to tell you that Johnny was not terrible coming out of high school. He was recruited by many schools including Stanford, Oregon, and A & M plus many others. These colleges don't recruit terrible hs players.

Most of you will remember I said this a year ago.