He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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I don't understand how it's ok for someone to get paid by MLB and still be allowed to play college football (I agree they should), but that Colorado WR a while back couldn't play anymore after going to the olympics and getting endorsements.

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The rule was changed

I think this opens the door for a "friend of the program" to pay scholarship athletes by saying they are going "pro" in one sport while playing for a school in another.

It's been done. Ricky Williams at tu comes to mind. Played baseball for the Rangers and someone else in the minors while playing college football.

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It's been done. Ricky Williams at tu comes to mind. Played baseball for the Rangers and someone else in the minors while playing college football.

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I know. I'm an old. But thought ncaa put in some regs to prevent abuses. Kyler just got paid $200k for a year of football at ou.

It's been done quite a bit, and it's not a recent rule change

Minor league baseball is accepted, this was a compromise between NCAA and MLB. The only college sport you can't play after signing a minor league contract is baseball

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lp01 said:

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It's been done. Ricky Williams at tu comes to mind. Played baseball for the Rangers and someone else in the minors while playing college football.

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I know. I'm an old. But thought ncaa put in some regs to prevent abuses. Kyler just got paid $200k for a year of football at ou.

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I wouldn't call it an abuse of the rules, it's not like Billy Beane is a secret OU booster

I think Russell Wilson is another one that worked this angle. None of the examples I can think of drew the attention that Kyler's did because of the 1st round pick and money. Seems like there was some smoke around a tu booster pulling some strings to get Ricky on the Rangers, but think that was before Hicks' time as owner.

The murray's Arent smart enough to work "angles". They just got lucky.

Mythotbetterthanyours said:

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The murray's Arent smart enough to work "angles". They just got lucky.

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This cracked me up. Well played.

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I think Russell Wilson is another one that worked this angle. None of the examples I can think of drew the attention that Kyler's did because of the 1st round pick and money. Seems like there was some smoke around a tu booster pulling some strings to get Ricky on the Rangers, but think that was before Hicks' time as owner.

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Williams was drafted by and only ever actually played for the Phillies organization.

He was Rule V drafted by the Expos after 4 years with the Phillies, was then promptly traded to the Rangers (after his college football career was over) and he quickly quit baseball.

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It's been done quite a bit, and it's not a recent rule change

Minor league baseball is accepted, this was a compromise between NCAA and MLB. The only college sport you can't play after signing a minor league contract is baseball

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No. Across the board you now only lose eligibility in the same sport you've become a professional. (Rule 12.1.3 in the D 1 manual.)

Our-turn-to-rule said:

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He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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Absolutely, let's get the NCAA involved those guys are so good at what they do. What could go wrong.

Baseball has a long history of throwing money at raw prospects. Kyler has more value (in both sports) because he is an elite two sport athlete. Everyone dreams of the next Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders. The current system is fine. If Kyler hadn't transferred and he won a heisman at A&M we would be hoisting him on our shoulders not calling for an NCAA investigation.

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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Absolutely, let's get the NCAA involved those guys are so good at what they do. What could go wrong.

Baseball has a long history of throwing money at raw prospects. Kyler has more value (in both sports) because he is an elite two sport athlete. Everyone dreams of the next Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders. The current system is fine. If Kyler hadn't transferred and he won a heisman at A&M we would be hoisting him on our shoulders not calling for an NCAA investigation.

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Very true. Zoo acting like a jilted chick.

Be happy for him. It's not his fault sumlin sucked.

He left. Did well. Let it go peeps

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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Absolutely, let's get the NCAA involved those guys are so good at what they do. What could go wrong.

Baseball has a long history of throwing money at raw prospects. Kyler has more value (in both sports) because he is an elite two sport athlete. Everyone dreams of the next Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders. The current system is fine. If Kyler hadn't transferred and he won a heisman at A&M we would be hoisting him on our shoulders not calling for an NCAA investigation.

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If he had won the heisman at A&M instead of OU and all of this was going on we would be supporting him to no end on here...

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The amateurism thing is such a joke at this point anyway. Pretty obviously the original ideal was to ensure that colleges fielded teams made up of their actual students, rather than bringing in professional athletes as ringers. Semantics aside, basically every single player on a P5 football team is a ringer now. All of them brought in specifically to help the school win football games. This isn't 1915, and none of these guys are students who just decided to try out for their college's football team.

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pretty much agree

the only thing the "amateur" rule does for college sports now is to try to dissuade colleges from flat out handing cash and offering contracts to recruits to play at their schools.

in the end it's still a small percentage of these kids that go on to play professionally after college, so the majority of the kids are still going to need their degrees for life after football

Didn't his dad, Kevin Murray also have a MLB bonus while he still played Football at A&M?

Kyler Murray will be on a minor league baseball team in 3 years after he flops in the NFL....book it !

What's lost in the Kyler news is: "What happened to Kylest???"

fightinag said:

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Kyler Murray will be on a minor league baseball team in 3 years after he flops in the NFL....book it !

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All the way to the bank

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Didn't his dad, Kevin Murray also have a MLB bonus while he still played Football at A&M?

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Kevin was an MLB prospect just like Kyler. He didn't make it in the NFL because he was too big.

From Wikipedia
He was an All-State quarterback at North Dallas High School and was named Dallas-Ft.Worth metroplex Offensive Player of the Year his senior season. He was also a center fielder for the North Dallas baseball team. Murray was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers in the 11th Round (287th overall) of 1982 MLB Draftand played one season ('82) for their Pikeville rookie league team in the Appalachian League before enrolling at Texas A&M.


Murray made himself eligible for the NFL draft after his junior year, but went undrafted.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Murray_(American_football)#cite_note-1][1][/url] Although one of the nation's top orthopedic specialists cleared Murray to play in the NFL, concerns about his health and lingering issues with his ankle kept teams away. Murray had two brief professional stints, signing as a free-agent with the San Francisco 49ers and the Calgary Stampeders, but eventually retired due to the chronic ankle injury that had plagued him since his early days at Texas A&M.

rootube said:

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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Absolutely, let's get the NCAA involved those guys are so good at what they do. What could go wrong.

Baseball has a long history of throwing money at raw prospects. Kyler has more value (in both sports) because he is an elite two sport athlete. Everyone dreams of the next Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders. The current system is fine. If Kyler hadn't transferred and he won a heisman at A&M we would be hoisting him on our shoulders not calling for an NCAA investigation.

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reading comprehension??? What do Ricky, Bo, Dion & Russell have in common.....they all took the money and played the game at the professional level! Some during the offseason. Kyler is the only name on this thread (and maybe ever? IDK) who took the money and NEVER SHOWED TO PLAY OR TO A SINGLE PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE. Totally different.

Here's an angle.....some 5* QB is a really badazz video game player so I'm going to sign him to my professional video game league.

If you don't think this is ripe for abuse you can't see much.

Our-turn-to-rule said:

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rootube said:

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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He may have poisoned the well for future 2 sport athletes and keeping $200k of bonus money and then NOT going into the sport/team that gave you the money....begs for governing body (ncaa) involvement.

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Absolutely, let's get the NCAA involved those guys are so good at what they do. What could go wrong.

Baseball has a long history of throwing money at raw prospects. Kyler has more value (in both sports) because he is an elite two sport athlete. Everyone dreams of the next Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders. The current system is fine. If Kyler hadn't transferred and he won a heisman at A&M we would be hoisting him on our shoulders not calling for an NCAA investigation.

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reading comprehension??? What do Ricky, Bo, Dion & Russell have in common.....they all took the money and played the game at the professional level! Some during the offseason. Kyler is the only name on this thread (and maybe ever? IDK) who took the money and NEVER SHOWED TO PLAY OR TO A SINGLE PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE. Totally different.

Here's an angle.....some 5* QB is a really badazz video game player so I'm going to sign him to my professional video game league.

If you don't think this is ripe for abuse you can't see much.

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What they bought after the return of signing bonus money was the rights to Kyler Murray which they still own. Are you suggesting that an MLB owner who is a die hard college football fan is going to help the home team by throwing baseball money at a recruit with no intention of ever developing him as a baseball player? That seems like a completely absurd way to accomplish what would be better managed by just handing a guy a bag of cash.

Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

Our-turn-to-rule said:

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Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

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Please take off the tin foil hat. Kyler was a legit MLB prospect out of high school and the A's burned a 1st round pick. The NCAA has a lot of problems but MLB teams running out and throwing millions to support their fav college team ain't one.

Our-turn-to-rule said:

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Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

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What did they get away with?

OU told Kyler "come to OU and Billy Beane, Stanford University guy, child of Orlando, Florida and San Diego, California, will agree to spend his future 1st round pick on you, give you $4.6 million but then you'll be expected to pay him back $4.4 million"???

Our-turn-to-rule said:

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Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

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So do you think Kyler was told he would get $200k from the A's ONLY if he came to OU? Because if that is what happened then you are right that is against the rules, but that's not what happened nor has it ever happened and you know that.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

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So do you think Kyler was told he would get $200k from the A's ONLY if he came to OU? Because if that is what happened then you are right that is against the rules, but that's not what happened nor has it ever happened and you know that.

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You have no more evidence of this than he has for saying Kyler was on the take.

Lateralus Ag said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Our-turn-to-rule said:

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Bag of cash IS against the rules and would result in sanctions. Signing a prospect and giving him $200k and he never shows I guess is allowed. That's what is being suggested/endorsed on this thread. And basically what ou and Kyler got away with.

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So do you think Kyler was told he would get $200k from the A's ONLY if he came to OU? Because if that is what happened then you are right that is against the rules, but that's not what happened nor has it ever happened and you know that.

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You have no more evidence of this than he has for saying Kyler was on the take.

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What is more likely?

A professional baseball team drafts players based on who they want to play baseball for them

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A professional baseball team makes a deal with a draft prospect that they have to go to Oklahoma to play football and they will then draft said prospect in the first round so he can keep $200k and not even play for them after he decides to enter the NFL draft

What motive do the A's have to help OU get a player that they ar willing to just burn a first round pick?

Common sense is my evidence.

Very very few college athletes are talented enough in two sports to make their decision notable. Murray is a rare case. I wouldn't worry about any 'opening doors', we are talking about such a small number of athletes, it is pretty much irrelevant.