Aggiesincebirth said:
but also seemed like a coach that would join in on the joking around instead of helping keep the team focused.
People at the beginning of the turmoil around Larry Jackson being fired were very quick to (as usual) lambast Sumlin, because "Jackson wasn't the problem, he'll be picked up by the NFL in no time, or what a stupid mistake this guy is one of the best in the business!" I pointed out then that it had nothing to do with Jackson's knowledge, and instead about his approach with the players. Few saw the firing beyond the actual strength and conditioning aspect.Aggiesincebirth said:
THIS I think is going to be a difference maker for the team. The past couple years I feel like our team was cracking jokes or hanging out on the sidelines during games at certain times and not fully focused. The coaches have a lot going on during the games and I think the strength and conditioning team plays a big part in keeping the team focused when the players aren't talking to their position coaches. Does anyone remember Larry Jackson and his team walking around firing people up? He may have I really don't know but I think with this S&C staff having been at LSU, Bama, FSU, and Georgia, they know how to win and how to keep teams focused.
When you know your conditioning coach is going to run your @55 into the ground if you are playing around on the sidelines, you are probably less likely to screw around. I'm sure Larry was good at what he does, but also seemed like a coach that would join in on the joking around instead of helping keep the team focused.
jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
I could see that with a couple of the coaches, just inferring from what we observe from the players, but I'm surprised to read that Chavis is more in Turner's camp. I'd have thought he'd be leading the charge on that front.jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
that's on the player(s). If a player or team is waiting to take a cue from the coaching staff on how to HATE losing, then I would say those players that truly HATE to lose need to step the eff up and not blame it on the coaches.jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
You never sat in a locker room before a game or halftime.Aggie95 said:that's on the player(s). If a player or team is waiting to take a cue from the coaching staff on how to HATE losing, then I would say those players that truly HATE to lose need to step the eff up and not blame it on the coaches.jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
I disagree, that is on coaches. Just look at Nick Saban...he absolutely hates losing with every fiber in his body and it filters down across the team. You can't expect the coaches to just coach x's and o's and for the players to dictate the culture.Aggie95 said:that's on the player(s). If a player or team is waiting to take a cue from the coaching staff on how to HATE losing, then I would say those players that truly HATE to lose need to step the eff up and not blame it on the coaches.jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
I get what you're saying (you hate Sumlin) but in the vacuum of hiring an S&C coach, would you rather he hire another coach to be the player's "buddy" or someone who will ride their arse and push them? Sumlin may very well suck, but in this instance we're analyzing a particular hire for its own merits. Lets not muddy the waters with yet another thread about how it "doesn't matter because it starts at the top".jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
in all fairness though... Jackson was the only guy left for Sumlin to blame for failing. It was either him or fire the guy in the mirror.Agsuffering@bulaw said:
In College Football, the HC creates the culture. A great coordinator or position coach may cultivate a great unit or side, but the team as a whole takes its cue from the HC's culture. Expecting the S&C coach to compensate for the HC's lack of leadership is foolishness.
Anytime the HC blames the S&C for a failed season, it is time to fire the HC. That is a far sorrier excuse than blaming the OC or DC.
Aggie95 said:that's on the player(s). If a player or team is waiting to take a cue from the coaching staff on how to HATE losing, then I would say those players that truly HATE to lose need to step the eff up and not blame it on the coaches.jja79 said:
A returning starter's dad attends our tailgate. He told us the coaches are so lax the team doesn't take losing hard. He said Jim Turner is the only one who GAF. I don't think the strength coach is going to change that. It's a top down deal.
jja79 said:
The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.
When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.
Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.
DallasAggie0 said:jja79 said:
The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.
When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.
Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.
There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."
Lateralus Ag said:DallasAggie0 said:jja79 said:
The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.
When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.
Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.
There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."
Winning "at all costs" is what Freeze and Briles did.
We should be loath to lose, ever. But it should not be an alternative of lose and be okay with it or win at all costs. I feel like there is still a way to win in an ethical way. Maybe I am not cynical enough.
Lateralus Ag said:DallasAggie0 said:jja79 said:
The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.
When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.
Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.
There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."
Winning "at all costs" is what Freeze and Briles did.
We should be loath to lose, ever. But it should not be an alternative of lose and be okay with it or win at all costs. I feel like there is still a way to win in an ethical way. Maybe I am not cynical enough.
DallasAggie0 said:Lateralus Ag said:DallasAggie0 said:jja79 said:
The father I've gotten to know has a son who has started quite a few games in his 3 years here and is being counted on for this year. I don't know the kid but I know his father is disappointed in how accountable his kid and apparently the team has been held during this time. His description is he's not his son's buddy, he's his dad. He said they coaches need to quit trying to be the player's buddies and be the coaches.
When my son has sat with the player's families he sometimes has similar stories from other parents sitting in the area.
Y'all can see it any way you like. I think we had an opening for Hocke because Sumlin found another scape goat.
There is not a win at all costs mentality at A&M and there hasn't been for a long long time. Football, basketball, baseball.... a lot of the fans are more interested in congratulating the team for a "good season" rather than questioning why we choked again. Worse, if you call anyone out you are a "bad aggie."
Winning "at all costs" is what Freeze and Briles did.
We should be loath to lose, ever. But it should not be an alternative of lose and be okay with it or win at all costs. I feel like there is still a way to win in an ethical way. Maybe I am not cynical enough.
We don't loathe to lose. Billy Kennedy gets to the tournament once in five years and gets a five year extension. Rob Childress wins 0 college world series games in 11 years and is praised for success in a "down year." Kevin Sumlin teams have completely folded halfway through the season for what three years now.
No, the culture of A&M from the incoming student up to the high level donors don't demand excellence the way LSU/Auburn/Alabama does. I blame fish camp personally.
