2012: 15th
2013: 15th
2014: 7th
2015: 9th
2016: 11th
2013: 15th
2014: 7th
2015: 9th
2016: 11th
Where have Clemson's recruiting classes ranked the past five years?
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Weird, it's almost like you can win consistently with similar recruiting classes to ours...
Yeah, but did they have swag?
wOw......makes me wonder if coaching might have anything to do with a team's performance....
Nah.....just get top quality players and let them run the team !
Fire SUMLIN ...... he'll make a decent High School or Junior High Coach
Nah.....just get top quality players and let them run the team !
Fire SUMLIN ...... he'll make a decent High School or Junior High Coach
NEXT YEAR IS HERE.......again
Clemson's record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2
2013: 11-2
2014: 10-3
2015: 14-1
2016: 14-1
2012: 11-2
2013: 11-2
2014: 10-3
2015: 14-1
2016: 14-1
Impressive, but they do play in the ACC. Not an excuse for our results, but worth mentioning.
Give me a breakAustinAg2012 said:
Impressive, but they do play in the ACC. Not an excuse for our results, but worth mentioning.
What a joke of a statement. We would still lose 1/2 those teams.
Cool.
Waiting for the excuses to roll in...
Actually, I think a hidden factor in this might be inflated recruiting ratings of Texas high school football players.
One could argue that the extreme emphasis put on high school football in Texas leads to kids coming out of high school being further developed physically.
This causes the recruiting services to grade these guys higher than a recruit from some other state where football isn't as big who hasn't developed as much physically.
Since 5-star guys are rare (25-30), the services do pretty well at picking these guys out because they really do stand out. However, 4-star guys are probably graded with more of a broad brush since there are 150-250 of them to where the more fully developed Texas kid is more likely to get the nod for 4 stars over a less developed key d from another state.
The end result is that while it is easy to blame coaches for lack of player development, it could very well be that the players just didn't have that much more development to go from where they were in high school.
It would sure go a long way to explain us and the sips over the last few years.
One could argue that the extreme emphasis put on high school football in Texas leads to kids coming out of high school being further developed physically.
This causes the recruiting services to grade these guys higher than a recruit from some other state where football isn't as big who hasn't developed as much physically.
Since 5-star guys are rare (25-30), the services do pretty well at picking these guys out because they really do stand out. However, 4-star guys are probably graded with more of a broad brush since there are 150-250 of them to where the more fully developed Texas kid is more likely to get the nod for 4 stars over a less developed key d from another state.
The end result is that while it is easy to blame coaches for lack of player development, it could very well be that the players just didn't have that much more development to go from where they were in high school.
It would sure go a long way to explain us and the sips over the last few years.
Look a couple comments above you, they're already heremaxnow21 said:
Waiting for the excuses to roll in...
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Check out the bowl records this year. The ACC was the best conference.Quote:
Impressive, but they do play in the ACC. Not an excuse for our results, but worth mentioning.
AustinAg2012 said:
Impressive, but they do play in the ACC. Not an excuse for our results, but worth mentioning.
The ACC kicked the SEC's ass the last few years.
So the OP's point is that we should accept mediocrity in recruiting?
playing an 8 game ACC schedule leaves you closer to 100% for a one off game against the SEC. Clemson was on another level though. Shutting out tOSU and beating bama like they did.Uncle Jimbo said:AustinAg2012 said:
Impressive, but they do play in the ACC. Not an excuse for our results, but worth mentioning.
The ACC kicked the SEC's ass the last few years.
Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
BUT SEC WEST DUUUUURRRRRPPPPmaxnow21 said:Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
maybe you don't understand. All you need to highlight Sumlin's under achieving record is the under achieving record. Period. The rest is just pointless drivel.maxnow21 said:Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
putside of Georgia and the bowl game find me an impressive win.GeorgePlimpton said:BUT SEC WEST DUUUUURRRRRPPPPmaxnow21 said:Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/147/index.html
Yeah and they just won the National Championship against an SEC opponent. AND played in the National Championship game a year ago showing very well and lost a close one. These class rankings are a guess, an educated one perhaps, but still a guess. Is one Schools rank 7 or 17? And really what is the difference between the two? It's hard to say. Success as in most things in a formula of doing many things right. There is no silver bullet. It's a number of factors. My problem with the current formula, is the level to which Sumlin teams seem to be undisciplined, low degree of basic fundamental technique, low level of "compete", passion, enthusiasm and straight up lack of desire to get after people's ass. It's a culture thing and we don't have IT.
GeorgePlimpton said:BUT SEC WEST DUUUUURRRRRPPPPmaxnow21 said:Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
Outside of Louisville and the bowl game find me an impressive win.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/team/147/index.html
No, I understand that 100%. I was just trying to help the average TexAgs user understand our level of under-performance, and those blind sheep need a little more help.Ragoo said:maybe you don't understand. All you need to highlight Sumlin's under achieving record is the under achieving record. Period. The rest is just pointless drivel.maxnow21 said:Here, I posted this in another thread. Maybe this will help you connect the dots.Ragoo said:
Is this thread supposed to prove that Sumlin has underachieved expectations? i would think results in the field above all else would do that. Instead we have to use same tired talking points like salary, recruiting rankings, expenditures on stadium/facility improvements. Weird.
Clemson vs. Texas A&M recruiting class rankings-
2012: 15th -- 16th
2013: 15th -- 9th
2014: 7th -- 5th
2015: 9th -- 11th
2016: 11th -- 18th
Clemson vs Texas A&M record the past 5 years-
2012: 11-2 -- 11-2
2013: 11-2 -- 9-4
2014: 10-3 -- 8-5
2015: 14-1 -- 8-5
2016: 14-1 -- 8-5
If you don't think who you play matters I don't know what to tell you. Playing wake forest, Virginia, duke, Syracuse, etc year in and year out is not exactly impressive on top of two cream puffs.
Right on cue. What is your excuse for the coaches being ignorant of this, or incapable of recruiting the necessary athletes? And what about the 10+ guys Bama, OSU, LSU, even OU take take from this state every year? Explain, if Texas talent is so inferior, why do these teams cherry pick our talent? And what is the excuse for the in-state SEC team for not landing said talent?Emilio Fantastico said:
Actually, I think a hidden factor in this might be inflated recruiting ratings of Texas high school football players.
One could argue that the extreme emphasis put on high school football in Texas leads to kids coming out of high school being further developed physically.
This causes the recruiting services to grade these guys higher than a recruit from some other state where football isn't as big who hasn't developed as much physically.
Since 5-star guys are rare (25-30), the services do pretty well at picking these guys out because they really do stand out. However, 4-star guys are probably graded with more of a broad brush since there are 150-250 of them to where the more fully developed Texas kid is more likely to get the nod for 4 stars over a less developed key d from another state.
The end result is that while it is easy to blame coaches for lack of player development, it could very well be that the players just didn't have that much more development to go from where they were in high school.
It would sure go a long way to explain us and the sips over the last few years.
GeorgePlimpton: The most miserable person on Texags, which is saying A LOT. Congrats, guy.
Does it REALLY matter when they stand toe to toe with Bama and FSU? Bama wipes the floor with everyone except that team who plays creampuffs and recruits at identical levels to us. And FSU would wipe the floor with us. Miami would too.Ragoo said:
If you don't think who you play matters I don't know what to tell you. Playing wake forest, Virginia, duke, Syracuse, etc year in and year out is not exactly impressive on top of two cream puffs.
You're just mad that everyone made fun of your commentAustinAg2012 said:
GeorgePlimpton: The most miserable person on Texags, which is saying A LOT. Congrats, guy.
Emilio Fantastico said:
Actually, I think a hidden factor in this might be inflated recruiting ratings of Texas high school football players.
One could argue that the extreme emphasis put on high school football in Texas leads to kids coming out of high school being further developed physically.
This causes the recruiting services to grade these guys higher than a recruit from some other state where football isn't as big who hasn't developed as much physically.
Since 5-star guys are rare (25-30), the services do pretty well at picking these guys out because they really do stand out. However, 4-star guys are probably graded with more of a broad brush since there are 150-250 of them to where the more fully developed Texas kid is more likely to get the nod for 4 stars over a less developed key d from another state.
The end result is that while it is easy to blame coaches for lack of player development, it could very well be that the players just didn't have that much more development to go from where they were in high school.
It would sure go a long way to explain us and the sips over the last few years.
Jimmy Johnson was interviewed the other day, and he said the MOST important person on his staff was the talent evaluator(s).
I thought that was interesting, and perhaps goes along with this post.
but look what we did to Prarie View !maxnow21 said:Does it REALLY matter when they stand toe to toe with Bama and FSU? Bama wipes the floor with everyone except that team who plays creampuffs and recruits at identical levels to us. And FSU would wipe the floor with us. Miami would too.Ragoo said:
If you don't think who you play matters I don't know what to tell you. Playing wake forest, Virginia, duke, Syracuse, etc year in and year out is not exactly impressive on top of two cream puffs.
And we did struggle but beat that powerhouse that is UTSA...
Texas A&M's acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic !
NEXT YEAR IS HERE.......again
Watch out, those are chump's trigger words!fightinag said:but look what we did to Prarie View !maxnow21 said:Does it REALLY matter when they stand toe to toe with Bama and FSU? Bama wipes the floor with everyone except that team who plays creampuffs and recruits at identical levels to us. And FSU would wipe the floor with us. Miami would too.Ragoo said:
If you don't think who you play matters I don't know what to tell you. Playing wake forest, Virginia, duke, Syracuse, etc year in and year out is not exactly impressive on top of two cream puffs.
And we did struggle but beat that powerhouse that is UTSA...
Texas A&M's acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic !
I vote we recruit like Clemson. Its amazing how many recruits they have been able to land seemingly out of the blue, like these two gentlemen.
tarletontexan said:
I vote we recruit like Clemson. Its amazing how many recruits they have been able to land seemingly out of the blue, like these two gentlemen.
This is you if you don't think everyone does that
What is the point of this post if we are getting similar recruiting classes, as shown above?tarletontexan said:
I vote we recruit like Clemson. Its amazing how many recruits they have been able to land seemingly out of the blue, like these two gentlemen.
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