can john not so sharp and drop 100% of the nonsense he has pushed and A&M will be a hell of a lot better off

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There are serious problems at A&M. This is stuff you would expect at Texas Tech or some other diploma mill, not a flagship university.

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The number of classes with more than 100 students grew 17 percent since 2010, to 439 in 2015, according to A&M data. And the number of advisers and counselors hasn't kept up with the growing population. This fall, the school has begun offering informational videos, online exercises and video consultations for students who need help.

During lunchtime, the dining halls are overcrowded, forcing some students to eat on the floor. And the influx of students has created transportation problems. Hood, the speaker of the student senate, said he often rode the bus two miles from his apartment to campus last year. It sometimes took him about 45 minutes to get to class, he said.

He and other students have been speaking out. In the two previous school years, the student senate passed resolutions asking school leadership to slow the growth in enrollment.

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https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/08/now-more-66000-students-texas-m-getting-crowded/

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Texas Tech has actually controlled their growth stop pretending that A&M and the leadership of A&M is not the issue by dragging Texas Tech into a discussion about issues that Texas Tech has wisely avoided

get a clue and address the issues instead of trying to deflect from them

NotGeorgeLucas said:

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Is this the norm for A&M alumni? Only support your school if your sports teams are winning?

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This is exactly why there is no real pressure to win at A&M

Not really. If the team isn't winning, I understand stopping giving to the TMF if the sports aren't doing well. But you shouldn't stop giving to the university itself if the teams aren't winning.

I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

If you give serious money to the TAMF, you can stipulate exactly how it is to be spent. hth.

Can you stipulate that it goes toward firing Sharp and Young?

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I'm actually most pissed about the academic deterioriation. The sports pisses me off because I'm a fan, but it doesn't really affect my life otherwise. These idiots devaluing my degree for some social justice BS makes me want to punch them in the junk.

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I tend to agree with your sentiment, but the idea that what they do today devalues a degree already earned is a myth.

They are devaluing current degrees and probably future degrees. No question there.

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I disagree. Probably 30 years ago this was true, as it used to be that once you were in a career you pretty much stayed with the same company and your progression had nothing to do with your school. Now, however, changing jobs is frequent and your resume is reviewed every time. My engineering masters, which once was extremely respected, is being devalued.

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I don't know how long you have been in your industry, but I gotta tell you, where I got my degree hasn't been why I have gotten my last two jobs. My experience and my expertise has.

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Experience is important for sure, but if you think for a second the school you attended is not a factor you are sorely mistaken. It's the only comparative analysis they have of your performance. For instance, my company simply did not recruit AT ALL from Tech or UH. Only A&M, UT, and Rice. The status of the engineering school was always important.

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I have been in my industry for 20 years. I promise you at my level no one cares where I went to college.

Did it matter when I got my first job? Sure. No question. But my long years and my success at previous places of employment is why I have my current position.

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I've had more than 20 years in industry and I know the value of experience. But you are kidding yourself if you think that the school you attended is not one of the factors they evaluate. Sure, this isn't always the case - I have contacts and in some cases I could get a job just based on that. I'm talking all things being equal.

Anyone can put anything on a resume, and every resume looks like the dude walks on water. So you have to parse the objectives.

Take, for example, I work in IT sales. Everyone I look to hire has been 200 to 300% of quota and dominated their industry for years. This is mostly because all of them know I can't verify any of it and their former employers won't comment. So then you move to the personal interview and whatever objective criteria you can use - like their grades and school attended.

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I agree with you on the principal of degree devaluation but with right at 20 years of IT sales experience I can honestly say that nobody has ever cared what my degree or GPA is but focus more on my expertise in the latest trends in technology.

That being said there are a ton of other fields where degree is more important...including IT sales say at the executive leadership level around MBA, etc

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Lol. You showed your azz right there.

You're not an Aggie. No chance. You're also not in the Aggie network or you'd understand. It's not a secret society but it's there. It's also huge.

My first two jobs were nothing more than Aggie hires.

I see it every day. Your little business would be much bigger.

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Flogi said:

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Lol. You showed your azz right there.

You're not an Aggie. No chance. You're also not in the Aggie network or you'd understand. It's not a secret society but it's there. It's also huge.

My first two jobs were nothing more than Aggie hires.

I see it every day. Your little business would be much bigger.

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"I run my own IT company"

Translation: I manage a Cricket Store.......

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I'm actually most pissed about the academic deterioriation. The sports pisses me off because I'm a fan, but it doesn't really affect my life otherwise. These idiots devaluing my degree for some social justice BS makes me want to punch them in the junk.

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I tend to agree with your sentiment, but the idea that what they do today devalues a degree already earned is a myth.

They are devaluing current degrees and probably future degrees. No question there.

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I disagree. Probably 30 years ago this was true, as it used to be that once you were in a career you pretty much stayed with the same company and your progression had nothing to do with your school. Now, however, changing jobs is frequent and your resume is reviewed every time. My engineering masters, which once was extremely respected, is being devalued.

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I don't know how long you have been in your industry, but I gotta tell you, where I got my degree hasn't been why I have gotten my last two jobs. My experience and my expertise has.

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Experience is important for sure, but if you think for a second the school you attended is not a factor you are sorely mistaken. It's the only comparative analysis they have of your performance. For instance, my company simply did not recruit AT ALL from Tech or UH. Only A&M, UT, and Rice. The status of the engineering school was always important.

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I have been in my industry for 20 years. I promise you at my level no one cares where I went to college.

Did it matter when I got my first job? Sure. No question. But my long years and my success at previous places of employment is why I have my current position.

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I've had more than 20 years in industry and I know the value of experience. But you are kidding yourself if you think that the school you attended is not one of the factors they evaluate. Sure, this isn't always the case - I have contacts and in some cases I could get a job just based on that. I'm talking all things being equal.

Anyone can put anything on a resume, and every resume looks like the dude walks on water. So you have to parse the objectives.

Take, for example, I work in IT sales. Everyone I look to hire has been 200 to 300% of quota and dominated their industry for years. This is mostly because all of them know I can't verify any of it and their former employers won't comment. So then you move to the personal interview and whatever objective criteria you can use - like their grades and school attended.

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If you are hiring sales folks and you don't have your top five candidates picked before you ever posted the position, you are doing it wrong.

Just some advice.

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touching on this topic, if a company has someone in hiring that thinks "this 45 year old applicant really has great experience, but the college they went to 20 years ago is not as good now as it was then" that is not a company that will last long.

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Flogi said:

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Lol. You showed your azz right there.

You're not an Aggie. No chance. You're also not in the Aggie network or you'd understand. It's not a secret society but it's there. It's also huge.

My first two jobs were nothing more than Aggie hires.

I see it every day. Your little business would be much bigger.

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Total BS, I've hired many Aggies in my 31 years yet never once have I been hired by an Aggie and never have I gotten business because of an Aggie! The myth works for some that are connected but not for most!

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Flogi said:

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Lol. You showed your azz right there.

You're not an Aggie. No chance. You're also not in the Aggie network or you'd understand. It's not a secret society but it's there. It's also huge.

My first two jobs were nothing more than Aggie hires.

I see it every day. Your little business would be much bigger.

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Total BS, I've hired many Aggies in my 31 years yet never once have I been hired by an Aggie and never have I gotten business because of an Aggie! The myth works for some that are connected but not for most!

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put your ring on and you'll be amazed how much business you get/give with Aggies.

I get all the business I need because I work hard and am honest. I treat other Aggies like friends It works for me. We all have something in common.

I can't count how many people have told me how jealous they are of our network. Especially my tu friends. They hate it. Actually , the more I type I realize you're just full of sh**. Be a better Aggie and see what you're missing

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Fact.

This could be industry-specific, but I feel like the network helps at the entry-level, but after that, it's all about what you have accomplished/reputation. I don't have a problem with that.

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Is this the norm for A&M alumni? Only support your school if your sports teams are winning?

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Don't be obtuse. The academics and culture are the important bit. If you care about A&M you won't give any money to it until the Sharp regime is run out of town in disgrace.

1. I did not go to Texas A&M for football. However I never saw them get out scored at Kyle. I was duck hunting when they tied SMU.

2. Went to Texas A&M because I got to visit Aggieland and see my cousin graduate, her husband commission into the military and see them get married when I was in high school. Fell in love with the Aggie Spirit.

3. Went to Texas Aggie baseball game and during wedding and got to eat at Clayton Williams center. As I headed back to Dallas with my mom I wanted to be an Aggie. My sister was already set to go there.

4. Ended up in Aggieland and feel in love with it. People, college, Aggie Tradition. Made pilgrimage this TDay with my family after not being back since 95.

After visiting Aggieland with my family who knows however maybe one out of 4 makes it there. I would have to pay out of state tuition and the place is too big so we will see.

Took the Kyle field tour with my family...told my wife there is no way I am giving money to the football/athletics program. Awesome stadium however we do not go to these institutions because of football, guys like me use them for learning and open doors for a long term career. BWould rather give a yearly scholarship to a person.

As my children embark on where they want to go it is about cost, where they can get in to and my guidance.

Also college football will die once athletes start to pull out of bowl senior seasons see college basketball.

I have read the posts here for a long time, but do not do much posting. Football and the other sports are frustrating, but it was not great when I went there either. The academics are troubling though. I have twins that will be applying in the fall. Under the current rules, they are both automatic admits. The college of engineering, however, does not have automatic admits. I would love for them to both go to A&M, and in fact, always thought that they would. However, now that the time is close, I'm not so sure. I'm concerned about the crowded classrooms, the decline in the perceived quality of the education, etc. My son would like to major in computer science as well as take some game programming classes. I was frankly shocked that the University of Texas at Dallas ranked higher than A&M. I do realize these rankings are very subjective.

So my question for you guys, especially those in engineering or recruitment, is whether or not based on the current academic environment ar A&M, would you send your children there or would you be looking at other programs? For instance, my daughter thinks she would like to look at UNC, but it's hard to justify the difference in tuition to me. I'm interested in your thoughts on these matters.

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FishingAggie said:

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I run my own IT company and I can tell you that people in IT care about your network and your expertise... not your school. In fact the biggest myth in my perspective is this so called 'Aggie network'. I get more business from folks outside of A&M.

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Lol. You showed your azz right there.

You're not an Aggie. No chance. You're also not in the Aggie network or you'd understand. It's not a secret society but it's there. It's also huge.

My first two jobs were nothing more than Aggie hires.

I see it every day. Your little business would be much bigger.

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Total BS, I've hired many Aggies in my 31 years yet never once have I been hired by an Aggie and never have I gotten business because of an Aggie! The myth works for some that are connected but not for most!

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You have problems getting a job?

Liberalism it's destroying Europe, will destroy America too. But I never thought it would also destroy A&M. It will require an amazing leader willing to fight a lot of battles and suffer personally if there is any chance at stopping the trend to make us like every other University.

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Liberalism it's destroying Europe, will destroy America too. But I never thought it would also destroy A&M. It will require an amazing leader willing to fight a lot of battles and suffer personally if there is any chance at stopping the trend to make us like every other University.

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How is it destroying A&M?

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Is this the norm for A&M alumni? Only support your school if your sports teams are winning?

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I supported the Foundation for years, during the Fran era even.

I stopped when 25 by 25 was announced. Had nothing to do with any sport.

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I have read the posts here for a long time, but do not do much posting. Football and the other sports are frustrating, but it was not great when I went there either. The academics are troubling though. I have twins that will be applying in the fall. Under the current rules, they are both automatic admits. The college of engineering, however, does not have automatic admits. I would love for them to both go to A&M, and in fact, always thought that they would. However, now that the time is close, I'm not so sure. I'm concerned about the crowded classrooms, the decline in the perceived quality of the education, etc. My son would like to major in computer science as well as take some game programming classes. I was frankly shocked that the University of Texas at Dallas ranked higher than A&M. I do realize these rankings are very subjective.

So my question for you guys, especially those in engineering or recruitment, is whether or not based on the current academic environment ar A&M, would you send your children there or would you be looking at other programs? For instance, my daughter thinks she would like to look at UNC, but it's hard to justify the difference in tuition to me. I'm interested in your thoughts on these matters.

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I don't think UNC does engineering. Correct me if I'm wrong.



You guys that are troubled by the academic drop are 5-7 years too late. That ship sailed. I hate it too.

I gave them enough with 4 years of tuition. Will not give a dime to that school until they get the academic ranking back where it used to be.

I was once proud to be an Aggie but now the school is a joke.

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I'm actually most pissed about the academic deterioriation. The sports pisses me off because I'm a fan, but it doesn't really affect my life otherwise. These idiots devaluing my degree for some social justice BS makes me want to punch them in the junk.

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THIS

If I could star this over and over again, I would!

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I don't envy the A&M foundation. Former students are pissed off about a lot.

Football
Basketball
University ranking/enrollment

They would probably raise more money if Sumlin, Kennedy, and Sharp all resigned.

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I remember, being employed at A&M, we recieved literature for a donation for the further developement for Vision 2020, right after we had recieved word there would be no raises campus wide that year. You think these people are mad now, this is nothing compare to what we felt.

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I already told the Foundation to lose my number. Please don't call again

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The magazine makes good fire starter.

NotGeorgeLucas said:

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Is this the norm for A&M alumni? Only support your school if your sports teams are winning?

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A&M graduates are Former Students, aloomni went to tu.

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Are you so RIGHT. After the last TCU game I'll never go back until Childress is gone, he let the team absolutely quit that night!

Deadwood said:

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I'm actually most pissed about the academic deterioriation. The sports pisses me off because I'm a fan, but it doesn't really affect my life otherwise. These idiots devaluing my degree for some social justice BS makes me want to punch them in the junk.

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We hire another numb nuts president, as has happened so many times before. This is why the Regents selection system is so flawed, I'm rich, I'm smart, donate thousands to the governor and get a seat on the regents.

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I'm actually most pissed about the academic deterioriation. The sports pisses me off because I'm a fan, but it doesn't really affect my life otherwise. These idiots devaluing my degree for some social justice BS makes me want to punch them in the junk.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with social justice. And the fact that 54 people starred this is sad.

I find it kind of depressing that so many replies here talk about the foundation as the TMF, as if the A&M foundation doesn't exist.

But I take comfort in knowing the zoo isn't really a representative sample.

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I find it kind of depressing that so many replies here talk about the foundation as the TMF, as if the A&M foundation doesn't exist.

But I take comfort in knowing the zoo isn't really a representative sample.

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I don't actually know if it is representative. I do know we sat on our hands while this happened academically.

U.S. News Rankings since Sharp became Chancellor.

2011 53
2012 58
2013 65
2014 69
2015 68
2016 70
2017 74

Who are we more vocal about firing: Sumlin or Sharp? That will tell you where our priorities are.

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I have been in my industry for 20 years. I promise you at my level no one cares where I went to college.

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You should have gone somewhere else and saved some money.