Lol. No defending him on here. Not one single post.

The poster who said sumlin was given more advantage than any other coach hit the nail on the head. He's done less with more than anyone at TAMU

If you all lay on the floor and kick your feet and scream, we will probably change coaches.....or not

FishingAggie said:

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Lol. No defending him on here. Not one single post.

The poster who said sumlin was given more advantage than any other coach hit the nail on the head. He's done less with more than anyone at TAMU

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I think an argument could be made that sherman's team in 2011 did the littlest with the most. 7-6 with all of that talent that is currently in the NFL.

technoviking said:

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FishingAggie said:

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Lol. No defending him on here. Not one single post.

The poster who said sumlin was given more advantage than any other coach hit the nail on the head. He's done less with more than anyone at TAMU

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I think an argument could be made that sherman's team in 2011 did the littlest with the most. 7-6 with all of that talent that is currently in the NFL.

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Sherman didn't have the facilities. He had players though.

Sumlin has all of it but still loses. I think that's the point

Still kicking

I used to be a pot banger.

Till I realized 2 things:

1. Its a game.
2. Nothing at all in the world we say on a message board will change a damn thing.

Just sit back and enjoy it. Just be happy you get to be here.

Sorry Lat, but all the rich man fan-boys around here telling us(and factually correct I'm sure) that aggie football is a toy to a single person has soured me.

Why expend the time, money, and energy if it's actually in the hands of an extremely small faction of rich men? That would truly be a foolish way to invest my time talent & treasure.

I guess I'm hoping for 1 of two things. Mostly I keep hoping they are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Or, if they are correct, then I hope that they keep shooting off at the mouth like the butt kissers they are, and that the majority gets a belly full and says enough, and quit spending their $, time, and energy. Maybe, the short term turmoil would be enough to transfer power, hopefully into competent hands?

Ain't holding my breath on that one either....

My enthusiasm is lower than Fran era levels

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Sorry Lat, but all the rich man fan-boys around here telling us(and factually correct I'm sure) that aggie football is a toy to a single person has soured me.

Why expend the time, money, and energy if it's actually in the hands of an extremely small faction of rich men? That would truly be a foolish way to invest my time talent & treasure.

I guess I'm hoping for 1 of two things. Mostly I keep hoping they are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Or, if they are correct, then I hope that they keep shooting off at the mouth like the butt kissers they are, and that the majority gets a belly full and says enough, and quit spending their $, time, and energy. Maybe, the short term turmoil would be enough to transfer power, hopefully into competent hands?

Ain't holding my breath on that one either....

My enthusiasm is lower than Fran era levels

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Best summation of Aggie football in the current era I have ever read.

Lateralus Ag said:

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JMR said:

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Sorry Lat, but all the rich man fan-boys around here telling us(and factually correct I'm sure) that aggie football is a toy to a single person has soured me.

Why expend the time, money, and energy if it's actually in the hands of an extremely small faction of rich men? That would truly be a foolish way to invest my time talent & treasure.

I guess I'm hoping for 1 of two things. Mostly I keep hoping they are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Or, if they are correct, then I hope that they keep shooting off at the mouth like the butt kissers they are, and that the majority gets a belly full and says enough, and quit spending their $, time, and energy. Maybe, the short term turmoil would be enough to transfer power, hopefully into competent hands?

Ain't holding my breath on that one either....

My enthusiasm is lower than Fran era levels

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Best summation of Aggie football in the current era I have ever read.

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You are an incredible skeptic. aside from being able to say "I told you so", is there anything else that gets you excited?

Trolling?

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Trolling?

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Nope. I'm genuinely curious what brings someone on an Aggie football forum who is so summarily pessimistic and apathetic towards the program

I meant Lat

technoviking said:

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vander54 said:

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Trolling?

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Nope. I'm genuinely curious what brings someone on an Aggie football forum who is so summarily pessimistic and apathetic towards the program

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When I see something to be optimistic about I will let you know.

What the hell is so special about being optimistic when there is no reason to be? At least I have a firm grip on reality. You obviously live in a fantasyland.

I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football.

I do get some pleasure in the humorous nature of the predictability of people believing what they want to believe in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Call it a morbid curiosity is the psychology of humans.

Lateralus Ag said:

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technoviking said:

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vander54 said:

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Trolling?

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Nope. I'm genuinely curious what brings someone on an Aggie football forum who is so summarily pessimistic and apathetic towards the program

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When I see something to be optimistic about I will let you know.

What the hell is so special about being optimistic when there is no reason to be? At least I have a firm grip on reality. You obviously live in a fantasyland.

I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football.

I do get some pleasure in the humorous nature of the predictability of people believing what they want to believe in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Call it a morbid curiosity is the psychology of humans.

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You've got quite the ego. I never said anything about being optimistic. Next year is a rebuilding year, and it comes at time when the coach is on the hot seat, so I understand that we could likely be looking at a several year transition from one coach and the recruiting roots he's laid to allowing the next coach the time to build a program.

We could also see an uptick in play, with coaches that have been in place for a couple of years doing their jobs and getting young players ready to play.

You never know. It's college football.

What I'm curious about is do you Look forward most to a&m success, or do you look most forward to the moment the team falters?

technoviking said:

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Lateralus Ag said:

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technoviking said:

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vander54 said:

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Trolling?

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Nope. I'm genuinely curious what brings someone on an Aggie football forum who is so summarily pessimistic and apathetic towards the program

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When I see something to be optimistic about I will let you know.

What the hell is so special about being optimistic when there is no reason to be? At least I have a firm grip on reality. You obviously live in a fantasyland.

I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football.

I do get some pleasure in the humorous nature of the predictability of people believing what they want to believe in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Call it a morbid curiosity is the psychology of humans.

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You've got quite the ego. I never said anything about being optimistic. Next year is a rebuilding year, and it comes at time when the coach is on the hot seat, so I understand that we could likely be looking at a several year transition from one coach and the recruiting roots he's laid to allowing the next coach the time to build a program.

We could also see an uptick in play, with coaches that have been in place for a couple of years doing their jobs and getting young players ready to play.

You never know. It's college football.

What I'm curious about is do you Look forward most to a&m success, or do you look most forward to the moment the team falters?

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I have been looking forward to success since 1984.

Since then there have been some great seasons and some success. I always look forward to that. 2012 was a magical season. 1986 was fun. 1998 was fun, too. Lots of great times.

The last three years haven't been. And I am realistic about expectations. Not sure why that makes me have "quite an ego".

Seems to me you guys have an irrationally emotional response when you don't hear what you want to hear.

Your ego is telling you that I'm having an emotional response to your remarks. Your ego says things like "I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football".

I could care less about how you as an individual look forward to magical seasons when most of what I see from you is actively resisting things that could be just as positive as you purport them to be negative - such as hubenaks tweet about the new S&C coach. You just come off as a sad Aggie after all is said and done. They don't call it BAS for nothing I suppose.

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Sorry Lat, but all the rich man fan-boys around here telling us(and factually correct I'm sure) that aggie football is a toy to a single person has soured me.

Why expend the time, money, and energy if it's actually in the hands of an extremely small faction of rich men? That would truly be a foolish way to invest my time talent & treasure.

I guess I'm hoping for 1 of two things. Mostly I keep hoping they are wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Or, if they are correct, then I hope that they keep shooting off at the mouth like the butt kissers they are, and that the majority gets a belly full and says enough, and quit spending their $, time, and energy. Maybe, the short term turmoil would be enough to transfer power, hopefully into competent hands?

Ain't holding my breath on that one either....

My enthusiasm is lower than Fran era levels

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It's not that BMA doesn't know what they are doing....they want same things that zoo wants...it is just that BMA does know what is wrong and they think they know what they are doing but there just isn't a solution in conventional sense.

you and zoo are wanting all retread coaches and they will not be any better than the current regime...

having said that, I wanted Sumlin gone/fired after 2014...15 and 16...but he is still here.

we need to get rid of AD and get professional AD...

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You're ego is telling you that I'm having an emotional response to your remarks. You're ego says things like "I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football".

I could care less about how you as an individual look forward to magical seasons when most of what I see from you is actively resisting things that could be just as positive as you purport them to be negative - such as hubenaks tweet about the new S&C coach. You just come off as a sad Aggie after all is said and done. They don't call it BAS for nothing I suppose.

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I went ahead and bolded a few things for your review.

Also, I want to point out, like most sunshine boys, you use the analogy of Battered Wife Syndrome incorrectly. (And I might add that is actually an awful thing to make light of and compare it to sports fans.)

A battered wife tends to go back to her spouse expecting him to change and not beat her anymore. The correct (and still awfully insensitive) comparison would be to the sunshine pumper. You keep expecting Sumlin and the team to be the team you want them to be (like the battered wife) instead of what they actually are: a mediocre football coach and team (and in the wife's case, her husband is an abuser).

So, stop using the analogy. It is insensitive. But if you insist on using it, use it correctly.

As for not caring any less (which is what I assume you meant but poorly communicated) what I think, you sure respond to my comments quite often.

I sincerely hope this clears up a few things and proves instructive for your future use of the english language.

Cheers.

Lateralus Ag said:

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technoviking said:

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You're ego is telling you that I'm having an emotional response to your remarks. You're ego says things like "I get no pleasure in being right about the state of Aggie football".

I could care less about how you as an individual look forward to magical seasons when most of what I see from you is actively resisting things that could be just as positive as you purport them to be negative - such as hubenaks tweet about the new S&C coach. You just come off as a sad Aggie after all is said and done. They don't call it BAS for nothing I suppose.

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I went ahead and bolded a few things for your review.

Also, I want to point out, like most sunshine boys, you use the analogy of Battered Wife Syndrome incorrectly. (And I might add that is actually an awful thing to make light of and compare it to sports fans.)

A battered wife tends to go back to her spouse expecting him to change and not beat her anymore. The correct (and still awfully insensitive) comparison would be to the sunshine pumper. You keep expecting Sumlin and the team to be the team you want them to be (like the battered wife) instead of what they actually are: a mediocre football coach and team (and in the wife's case, her husband is an abuser).

So, stop using the analogy. It is insensitive. But if you insist on using it, use it correctly.

As for not caring any less (which is what I assume you meant but poorly communicated) what I think, you sure respond to my comments quite often.

I sincerely hope this clears up a few things and proves instructive for your future use of the english language.

Cheers.

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BAS and BWS are not the same. You also respond to my comments quite quickly. Yet another pot banger- sunshine pumper hookup!

Cheers!

Have a nice day!

sumlin not wasting any time adding to what was already an impressive list of accomplishments

I figured being tied with Nicholls State at home in the 4th quarter deserved to be on the list.

ACCOMPLISHMENT ALERT:
If we lose to arkansas, that will make 7 straight losses to power 5 teams. I believe the last time that happened was 1970, when we won our first two games, and lost the last 9.

So, in just a shade over 5 seasons, sumlin has a real shot at accomplishing 3 things we haven't been able to do in the previous 30+. The other two being:
1. Going winless at home in conference (2014)
2. Losing 2 games to teams that finished the year under .500 (2016)

And there are still a good amount of people here that say you're dumb if you want to fire him. Incredible.

This recap shows what many have known for a long time. We must have a new coach.

It has been obvious since mid-2015 that Sumlin <<<<< Sherman. And though I was a big Sherman supporter, I recognized his short-comings and always said he was a better NFL guy than a CFB HC. Still, at everything that matters, talent evaluation, ACTUAL recruiting (not paper recruiting), development, game-planning, style of offense, commitment to defense, etc. Sumlin can't hold Sherman's jock.

I was ridiculed A LOT starting in 2015 when I said it was becoming obvious that as the Sherman evaluated and developed talent was trailing off the worse the team was getting. People would just talk about all the blown leads in 2011 while overlooking the fact we were a strong 2nd half team in 2010.

Sherman took over a DISASTER from Fran and in year 3 beat OU and won 9 games. He recruited and developed well and left Sumlin the talent of a Top 10 team with the best OL in the country and a good defense, then Sumlin and KK caught lightning in a bottle with #2. But we still would have won 10 games (maybe overall) in 2012 with a different QB. We had a good D, outstanding OL, and probably the best collection of skill position players in A&M football history (certainly better than anything Sumlin has put on the field since).

Sumlin is an 8-4 or 7-5 coach AT BEST, whose recruiting is overrated, player development is questionable, his roster management is terrible, he doesn't prioritize defense (keep signing WRs when we are woefully and obviously short on LB). As such, when the team isn't' as good as it absolutely can be under Sumlin, you are looking at maybe 6-6 which this season that is likely the ceiling.

And her certainly isn't the O genius that some thought. That too has been obvious since 2015, while Spav was running the offense into the ground and Sumlin couldn't fix it as he was incapable to do so. All the Keenum and Johnny success and stats, that is all on Holgerson and KK, not Sumlin. So he finally cans Spave and hires Mazzone, and we are 100000% running the Mazzone offense, as there is NO Sumlin offense.

In 2015 we were leading ULM by 5 points with the ball at about midfield, 1st down with TWO minutes left, ULM had one timeout, and on 1st and 2nd down we threw incomplete passes!!!!!!! On 3rd we ran and then punted to them with 1:50 left after their TO.See a pattern? Even if we don't get the first down they should have gotten the ball back with 45 second left. Different QB, different OC, same HC, same pi$$-poor situational awareness and game-day coaching.

LJ was a scapegoat, Hocke won't change anything, not when your LB corps is so short of talent Alaka and Dodson have to take ALL the snaps vs. Nichols. Who are we going to put on the field as a 3rd LB, and what will we do if Alaka or Dodson get injured, or god forbid need to take a few plays or series off as they are having to play the entire game and our offense can't gain more than 3 yards before punting to Bama, LSU, etc.

RC then and Saban now, they could have an orange cone as DC and their D would still be great. Spurrier could have had a dead poodle as OC and his O would have been good. Meanwhile, we are paying our HC $5 mill. + just to hire coordinators and overpay them!!!

For the record given the (now) true fish QB and so many under-classmen, which again we shouldn't have going into year 6, I think Sumdog Millionaire survives at 7-5, I just don't see any way in he!! we get to 7.

Venables, Morris, a position coach at UTEP, I don't care who the next guy is as much as I know with certainty Sumlin needs to go.

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2013 9-4 (4-4)

1. Return a Heisman winner and lose 4 regular season games - only team ever to do that
2. Blown out by lsu 34-10
3. Two wins vs. teams that finished ranked (Duke #23, Vandy #24)
4. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
5. Finish 4th in the west

2014 8-5 (3-5)

1. 59-0
2. Blown out by ole miss at home
3. Escape ULM by 5 at home
4. Lose a 4 star qb
5. Zero home wins in conference play for the first time in 45 years
6. One win vs. a team that finished the season ranked (Auburn #22)
7. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents
8. Finished 6th in the west and unranked
9. Average margin of defeat: 21 points

2015 8-5 (4-4)

1. 41-23 at home
2. 23-3 beat down by ole miss
3. Blown out at home by the worst team in the west 26-10
4. Score one or no touchdowns in 5 of 8 conference games
5. Last in the west in touchdowns scored
6. Lose two 5 star qbs
7. Average margin of defeat: 17 points
8. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
9. Zero wins over ranked teams
10. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents (wins over 4-8 vandy and 3-9 sc)
11. First time in 30 years to go 3 straight seasons without beating a team finishing in the top 20
12. Lose music city bowl to middle of the pack ACC team
13. Finish tied for 5th in the west and unranked


2016 8-5 (4-4)

1. Lose to the worst team in division - a team that lost at home to south alabama
2. Lose to 2nd worst team in the division at home
3. Two losses to teams finishing under .500 for the first time in 30 years
4. Blown out at home by lsu
5. Lead the west in punts
6. Beat two teams that finished ranked (Tennessee #22, Auburn #24)
7. 0-5 in final 5 games vs. power 5 opponents (3, possibly 4 of which will finish the year unranked)
8. Lose the texas bowl to a middle of the pack bdf team
9. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
10. Finish 4th in the west and unranked
11. 4th straight season to not beat a team finishing in the top 20 (last time that happened was from
'81-84)

2017

1. 2nd biggest collapse in college football history
2. 0-6 in last 6 games vs. power 5 teams
3. Tied with Nicholls State at HOME in the 4th quarter

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My bloody goodness - that is just a horrendous track record. Living through it was bad enough but seeing it all piled in one place is just unbearable. Makes all these threads about why the atmosphere at Kyle sucks seem pretty ****ing stoopid.

A couple more accomplishments have been added to the list. And here are two additional notes that might blow your mind:

1. We have not beaten a team that finished the season in the top 20 since ou in the Cotton Bowl

2. Here is what we have done at Kyle vs. the west over the past 4 seasons:

Miss St. 35-14 L
Bama 27-19 L
LSU 54-39 L
Ole Miss 29-28 L
Auburn 26-10 L
Bama 41-23 L
Miss St 30-17 W!!!
LSU 23-17 L
Ole Miss 35-20 L

That's 1-8, losing by an average of 2 tds per game.

More additions to the list added.

By itself, the way sumlin has managed to accomplish things no other coach has done here over the past 30+ years is quite impressive. When you throw in the magical first year and all the momentum it generated, it is nothing short of incredible how he could accomplish what he has less than 5 seasons later. The latest milestone:

First coach since Stallings to lose 4 regular season games for 5 straight seasons. No coach had even done that 4 straight seasons post Stallings until sumlin.

That is in addition to:

- First coach in college football history to return a heisman winner and lose 4 regular season games (2013)

- Lose all conference games at Kyle in a season for the first time in 45 years (2014)

- Go 3 straight seasons without beating a team that finished in the top 20 for the first time in 30 years (2015)

- Make that 4 straight seasons (2016)

- Lose two games to teams finishing under .500 for the first time in 30 years (2016)

portuguese breakfast said:

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A couple more accomplishments have been added to the list. And here are two additional notes that might blow your mind:

1. We have not beaten a team that finished the season in the top 20 since ou in the Cotton Bowl

2. Here is what we have done at Kyle vs. the west over the past 4 seasons:

Miss St. 35-14 L
Bama 27-19 L
LSU 54-39 L
Ole Miss 29-28 L
Auburn 26-10 L
Bama 41-23 L
Miss St 30-17 W!!!
LSU 23-17 L
Ole Miss 35-20 L

That's 1-8, losing by an average of 2 tds per game.

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add: 285 yards rushing to Derrius Guice at home; an LSU record.

I think scientists should do studies on this program. It is absolutely fascinating.

I was reading your post, got to the 2017 part and began reading and thought "holy ****, this guy is a legit time traveler" and was baffled at how you called everything exactly ten months ago.

Then saw you had edited. Great post in any event

Stats are an amazing thing.

Anyone that tries to defend Sumlin's non-2012 years should be immediately directed to this thread.

Gig 'em.

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I was reading your post, got to the 2017 part and began reading and thought "holy ****, this guy is a legit time traveler" and was baffled at how you called everything exactly ten months ago.

Then saw you had edited. Great post in any event

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Haha. It does seem like I'm adding the same events each season.

2018:
Aggies hire Chad Morris, locking us in for another 5+ years of mediocrity.

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2018:
Aggies hire Chad Morris, locking us in for another 5+ years of mediocrity.

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