If his knee had touched down, the refs would have blown the play dead at that moment.

The whistle blew after Knight put the ball over the goal line.

Yet the review refs did not call a TD because they could not see the knee.

Surely that was incorrect.

That was tough. If you can't see the knee, I would assume you would just go off the whistle. But I'm sure that's not how the rule is written

The line judge ref blew it. He was right over the action and didn't make a call

The point is, they didnt blow the whistle live because Knight was on top of the lineman. When in conference, Ump should have asked Line judge why he blew his whistle.
Replay in my opinion is a waste, as its wrong a very large (25+) percent of the time. Was wrong there.
Should have also replayed the noncall interception in the endzone...great catch that was totally secured

What had happened was

They can't overturn a call unless they have clear evidence to disprove what was originally called. Meaning they had to SEE the ball in the end zone with the knees up in order to overturn it. While he was probbaly in and the officials probably felt that way, they didn't have enough to overturn it.

Either way, going for it on 4th down was the right call.

The refs make a ruling. In this case it was that the ball was down short. Replay has to overturn that by proving that the ball was not down and was some other result. It must prove this in all aspects. The ball must be shown breaking the plane and the runner proven not to be down. Replay doesnt allow you to peicemeal the call by assuming the whistle was correct or any logic like that.

Its BS because in a case like this the original "ruling" was all based on just a guess because nobody could see ****, and that ruling is then given a huge amount of benefit of the doubt when the replay is better evidence even if it lacked 100% proof that the original ruling was wrong.

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The point is, they didnt blow the whistle live because Knight was on top of the lineman. When in conference, Ump should have asked Line judge why he blew his whistle.
Replay in my opinion is a waste, as its wrong a very large (25+) percent of the time. Was wrong there.
Should have also replayed the noncall interception in the endzone...great catch that was totally secured

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I'd put it closer to 40%

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What had happened was

They can't overturn a call unless they have clear evidence to disprove what was originally called. Meaning they had to SEE the ball in the end zone with the knees up in order to overturn it. While he was probbaly in and the officials probably felt that way, they didn't have enough to overturn it.

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There was no evidence of it on replay and the field refs obviously didn't see it, or they would have blown it dead.

You have to go with the visual replay evidence and observations on the field, IMO.

Ball went over, whistle blew, knee position unknown. The evidence favored calling it a TD., not vice versa.

Too bad they don't have these little sensors on all the players so that when any body part hits the ground (except the feet or hands) it'll indicate contact with the ground, therefore down. The NFL could afford it.

Exactly. By virtue of the fact that the refs did not blow the play dead for a knee touch and the ball crossed the Plane before the whistle was blown, they must rule this a TD.

The orginal call on the field did not include a call for a down knee. Therefore it didn't happen. You only need prove the item in question which was did the ball get in. It therefore must be ruled a TD.

I want to see more detailed and rule-driven discussion of this call and the specific sections in rules.

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What had happened was

They can't overturn a call unless they have clear evidence to disprove what was originally called. Meaning they had to SEE the ball in the end zone with the knees up in order to overturn it. While he was probbaly in and the officials probably felt that way, they didn't have enough to overturn it.

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There was no evidence of it on replay and the field refs obviously didn't see it, or they would have blown it dead.

You have to go with the visual replay evidence and observations on the field, IMO.

Ball went over, whistle blew, knee position unknown. The evidence favored calling it a TD., not vice versa.

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Yes it obviously was a case where the preponderance of the evidence was that it was a TD. The rules require that the replay, on its own, provide indisputable evidence that the call on the field was wrong. There are no provisions for assuming that sonething like the whistle blowing in the replay is correct to determine when a player is down or that no knee was down or whatver. Either the replay provides indisputable evidence or the call stands. There was no indisputable evidence in this case that the ruling that the ball should be spotted at the half yard line was incorrect even though it was obvious that it more likely was a TD than not when looking at all the info. The indisputable standard is too harsh in a lot of cases.

It was a TD. Thank god we won or this thread would be 800 pages of tears

Thanks. That helps me. Seriously.

Shouldn't have been in this position in the first place. We get up 24-9 and we all of a sudden took our feet off the gas pedal and let UCLA back into the game. We had them by the throat and then Mazone starts calling plays that didn't make any sense.

We won the game, but there was a 5-7 minute span where we just flat looked like Jake was here making the calls.

The "play it safe" method always seems to backfire. I'd much rather keep the pedal to the floor and take my chances.

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Either way, going for it on 4th down was the right call.

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Definitely. The way we were starting to call stupid plays earlier I was getting scared we would try for a FG.

In scrums like that they usually go by forward motion....which is precisely why they didn't call it dead after TK dove in at thigh level. If you can't determine a knee/elbow, you go by progress.