These guys missed a bunch of block in the backs, this doesn't surprise me.

Hard to tell if his knee was down before the ball crossed

The whistle hadn't blown. It's a TD.

Replay where "indisputable" is involved always is gonna get it wrong more often. It should be preponderance of the evidence or similar. Its ****ing bull***** The call on the field had no clue when he was down but it was the basis for the decision.

The way his body was oriented with space between his torso to the ground there is no way his knee was on the ground. He was standing at an angle. Good thing that didn't decide the game.

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Hard to tell if his knee was down before the ball crossed

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This.. No way that was gonna be overturned without a clear view of his knee.
Cannot assume

The call on the field was the whistle blew after the ball broke the plane of the end zone. Thus, the call on the field was his leg was not down before the ball broke the plane.

That means the video replay had to prove his knee was down, NOT that his knee was not down.

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If the call was based on when the whistle blew... Replay easily overruled it

How did replay over rule when the whistle occurred? Even the announcers realized that the ball broke the plan after the whistle.

With regard to the knee being down, the video was inconclusive. Thus call remains as on the field.

The whole uncertainty initially revolves around the spot of the ball at the whistle, not the timing of the whistle.

The way replay works is that the call on tge field is 100% correct and replay has to prove something else. Its BS but logic like that is not allowed, indisputable means that there is an image that shows it was 100% a touchdown meaning it also has to prove he was not down. You cant use replay to establish only one element of the call.

Indisputable is too harsh to get all calls right similar to how beyond reasonable doubt lets off some criminals even though the majority of the evidence says they are guilty. It also allows officials to hide behind it instead of making a difficult call.

They replayed it with audio along with the overhead view.. And listened for the whistle. The ball was well past the plane when the whistle blew.
Having said all that, the knee down piece couldn't be seen of course.

I believe the spot of the ball at the time of the infield whistle (that it was in the end zone at the whistle) was indisputable.

Thus, the only way to rule not a TD by the replay crew is to have irrefutable evidence that the whistle was blown too late. I do not think that the video replay had irrefutable evidence that the whistle was blown too late.

You cant confirm or deny single elements of the play by replay logically like that. The ruling on the field has nothing to do with whistles or any of that. Frankly i dont even think they are allowed to make rulings based on multiple angles (ie confirming timing based on when a foot comes down in one angle and seeing where ball was when foot came down in another angle) based on calls ive seen in the past which is also stupid.

"The ball is down at the half yard line and it is 4th down."

That is the ruling on the field in its entirity. Replay must confirm that the ball was not down at the half yardline and all elements of that must be proved. The real horse**** part is that the ruling on the field was kot based on anything it was just a guess and yet it held all the weight of evidence.

I see what your are saying. To clarify though, when does that play officially end? At the whistle?

How can a referee/replay crew say yes, play Ended with the whistle. The ball was in the end zone at the whistle. We have no proof if the whistle should have been blown earlier, but since we marked the ball at a pre-whistle spot on the field, let's just go with that.

I believe they blew the whistle because they believed forward progress was stopped. I don't think anyone saw a knee down. They obviously never saw Trevor place the ball in the end zone. Anyways.. I'm happy. F the refs

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How did replay over rule when the whistle occurred? Even the announcers realized that the ball broke the plan after the whistle.

With regard to the knee being down, the video was inconclusive. Thus call remains as on the field.

The whole uncertainty initially revolves around the spot of the ball at the whistle, not the timing of the whistle.

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The ball is clearly in the end zone several seconds BEFORE the whistle is blown. They played it at speed with audio several times on tv. There is no question that the TD occurred prior to the whistle.

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when does that play officially end? At the whistle?

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To the second question, yes, the play will end after a whistle is blown but it will also end prior to that. In other words, the play basically kills itself but if a whistle blows, its dead as well.

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(The ball is dead...) When any part of the ball carrier's body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot

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Neither of the wing officials could see whether the runner's knee/etc. was down and where the ball was until it was over the goal line. They can't rule a TD unless they see a ball possessed by a runner cross the line prior to something other than his hand or foot touch the ground. This is a problem on plays like this as well as a problem determining possession at the bottom of a pile.

I'm wondering how the line judge and head linesman are BOTH supposed to be looking down the line of scrimmage.....NEITHER saw the ball cross the goal line before the whistle???

There was one replay angle you could see him laying on a lineman not down and see his motions, and if you look at the same set of motions on the replay from the side you see he crosses the plane. Between the two videos synchronized, you can see he wasn't down when the ball crossed before the whistle, but no one replay showed all of that. Some ref's brains don't seem to be able to process several different synchronized views of the same event to put together a complete picture of events