It's cute that Houston and their mafia boss think the sips will let them sit at the "big boy" table.
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Hurts our recruiting.
Am I the only one that thinks all this longhorn support for UH is "don't blame us when you don't get in" placating?
quote:Texas has some irons in the fire from a legislative standpoint and giving UH to the Big Xii a big thumbs up in the press means that the backroom negotiations have reached their conclusion. Texas will publicly support the move up and UH will no longer be focused on killing Texas's plan to open a Houston campus.
i don't see where it hurts A&M. What I find strange is why tu wants to elevate UH and put them on their level? Makes no sense. UH could keep a few recruits in Houston that tu may want. Then tu would have to play against them in conference. UH in the big12 will definitely hurt Baylor and techs recruiting. Why travel, when you can play the same teams staying at home in Houston.
If tu does find a spot to land then the big12 can and will have to add rice and SMU and effectively get the old SWC gang back together.
quote:Nobody knows what Top recruits really want. If what you said was true, Texas would have never had a losing season or bad class and RC would still be on our sideline.
Top recruits want to win...
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tu won't allow it. Easier pickings in Memphis, Cincinnati and Connecticut with no challenge to Texas recruiting.
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The addition of uh to the swc was the beginning of the end for the swc
Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.
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Hunter won this thread
quote:Me too! The Big 12. Those SEC boys will hit you.
Go to UH to play football against Iowa State, West Virginia, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, ou, and tu
Go to TAMU and play S.Carolina, Tennessee, Miss. State, Ole Miss, Bama, Arky, Auburn, and the corn dogs
I know where I'd want to go play
quote:quote:Well..kinda....quote:
The addition of uh to the swc was the beginning of the end for the swc
Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.
quote:cooger high's academics were not up to snuff for the rest of the SWC..quote:quote:Well..kinda....quote:
The addition of uh to the swc was the beginning of the end for the swc
Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.
This is kinda accurate. But on the right track. To suggest that UH was responsible for the demise of one of the most storied conferences is nonsense at best. With what power were they able to do this? You can't say UH brought nothing and had little fan and political support, and in the same breath credit them to have enough clout and power to bring down an entire conference. Sounds like a bunch of old timey collegiate folklore. Makes for great rivalry smack talk but it's not reality.
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the reason the 'sips are not against cooger high joining up is because they know it is a likely "W" for them every time they play... and it is not an across-the-country expense to their budget...
cooger high has been in the big time before - and botched it
cooger high only averages attendance in the mid 20's - that is not acceptable for big time football..
cooger high is nothing more than a community commuter school in a large city...
cooger high thinks more highly of itself than any other who knows the real truth...
cooger high has enjoyed some success and is riding a wave of misplaced optimism...
quote:quote:cooger high's academics were not up to snuff for the rest of the SWC..quote:quote:Well..kinda....quote:
The addition of uh to the swc was the beginning of the end for the swc
Nope ... the demise of the SWC began in 1982 when U. of Georgia and U. of Oklahoma sues and won against the NCAA in court over control of TV rights. That court case began the slow roll to where we are today.
But , in reality , the SWC was doomed by its very demographics. The powers that be at the 40 acres and Arky , led by Frank Broyles and the racist pig St dkr , knew that the 1-1/2 state conference could not survive in the modern era of mass media and the burgeoning TV world. They had a well thought out plan to have Arky trigger the collapse, since there would be no political issues in the 1/2 state , and thus start a process where tu AND TAMU could bolt hopefully without the legislature getting involved. Sadly the plan failed.
UH to the SWC was largely a meaningless too little too late move. Even though they had some excellent programs and brought some incredible talent to the league they , in reality, added nothing. In the midst of the greatest season in Coog history with a Hypesman QB, most exciting offense in modern football history ( up to that point) etc...... they played TCU in front of around 14k " fans".
UH didn't " doom" the SWC , it just added nothing and was a waste of an expansion slot. The SWC had already hit the ice berg.
This is kinda accurate. But on the right track. To suggest that UH was responsible for the demise of one of the most storied conferences is nonsense at best. With what power were they able to do this? You can't say UH brought nothing and had little fan and political support, and in the same breath credit them to have enough clout and power to bring down an entire conference. Sounds like a bunch of old timey collegiate folklore. Makes for great rivalry smack talk but it's not reality.
cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...
quote:My Grandpa did nothing of the sort... I was at A&M (and a letterman) during those early first years...
Again, another collegiate myth your grandpa passed down. Read a copy of an old editorial when the UH addition happened below (circa 1964):
https://www.facebook.com/UHSpecColl/photos/a.263518150361217.64571.248525288527170/1132808763432147/
"Its enterance requirements are just as stiff as those of most conference schools..."
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Uh has always been able to compete when given a level playing field. Check both schools records from the 60s to the 90s uh has a better winning percentage than a&m. Uh fell off in the late mid 90s because if scholarship restrictions imposed by NCAA in the late 80s. Uh is not your father's uh. Their freshman sat scores are just behind a&m. They are a residential campus now with over 8k beds on campus, second only to a@m, they are tier 1 research university. I went to uh my kids a&m, I have grown to love both schools. Love the spirit of a&m family, and love the toughness shown by uh to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and compete at the highest level despite not having the state support of a&m and ut. The sleeping giant has been awakened. Gigem and go coogs
quote:quote:My Grandpa did nothing of the sort... I was at A&M (and a letterman) during those early first years...
Again, another collegiate myth your grandpa passed down. Read a copy of an old editorial when the UH addition happened below (circa 1964):
https://www.facebook.com/UHSpecColl/photos/a.263518150361217.64571.248525288527170/1132808763432147/
"Its enterance requirements are just as stiff as those of most conference schools..."
Sure, NOW their entrance requirements have to meet the NCAA minimum as well as conference minimum - during those early years cooger high benefited by having student athletes that were admitted prior to the more rigid admittance standards required by the SWC.
cooger high was admitted contingent to their raising their academic standard requirements to meet those of the already member SWC teams...
Bill Yoeman was a really good coach with a trick offense well suited to supremely gifted athletes and saw the advantage of integration long before most. And, since they were ALREADY integrated and in school when accepted into the SWC, those kids (who would not have qualified under the new rules) did very well in both football and basketball for their first few years... As soon as their incoming classes had to meet the much stiffer SWC standards - AND the other SWC schools integrated - the tables were leveled - and ALL had to meet the same minimum entrance standards, As a result cooger high became generally irrelevant and only a bump in the road with few exceptions for teams like t.u. and A&M...
The acrimony between the coogs and Aggies was as great or greater (in my opinion) than t.u, tech or baylor fans ever were. Playing them in Houston was a nightmare of overt rude insults and fights at both the earlier fish and later varsity games. The games between A&M and the coogs were even cancelled for several years because of the fights after a year when several students were hospitalized.
Fortunately, A&M is not a player in the coogs attempt to reenter a better conference. t.u. wants them because it is a sure win for them and to break into the Houston recruiting base.
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cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...
quote:No it's not - it is absolute fact ..as is the rest of what I wrote. A&M and cooger high did not get along at all!!quote:
cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...
This is inaccurate.
quote:quote:No it's not - it is absolute fact ..as is the rest of what I wrote. A&M and cooger high did not get along at all!!quote:
cooger high "integrated" much earlier than the SWC teams and thus had an athletic prowess advantage in both football and basketball that impacted the SWC to do the same to compete... once the SWC did the same, cooger high lost it's advantage and was relegated to the also rans...
This is inaccurate.