With Chavis here I fully expected us to be knocking defensive recruiting out of the ballpark. We have seen a few good DB's consider us, but our LB and DL recruiting has been well below average since Chavis's hire......I guess we'll have to resort to the Ole Miss method of getting players.

I guess so...

Really makes you think.

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Really makes you think.

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Does it?

I know I can be negative sometimes, but this thread op is an abortion on so many levels....

You mean we need to do a better job, cause we already do what Ole Miss and every other major D1 program does

DL recruits have been below average?.. there's a few we missed on that would have great to have... but come on...

Moton, Mack, keke, madubuike, Lockhart...

Also, it makes it hard to recruit when we are absolutely stacked across the DL.

Please pay better players

It really is that simple.

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DL recruits have been below average?.. there's a few we missed on that would have great to have... but come on...

Moton, Mack, keke, madubuike, Lockhart...

Also, it makes it hard to recruit when we are absolutely stacked across the DL.

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I don't know if I'd call it below average, but a lot of these guys except Moton and Madubiuke were already committed when Chavis got here. We have only taken 6 the last two classes(that's if both Moton and Robinson get it) and don't have any so far this year. That's really lacking on the numbers and needs to pick up otherwise we could be in trouble with depth in a couple of years.

I like the quality, but our overall numbers are a bit down and I believe this needs to be a big class. 3-4 DEs and 2-3 DTs.

It has little to nothing to do with Chavis - it's the winning percentage - or lack of winning that has a negative effect on us, that is all on Sumlin.

Sumlin lost control of Chavis?

I agree with you that it isn't Chavis fault. If anything, he is one of the only bright spots we would have to sell defensive recruits right now.

But our winning percentage is still much higher than texas and yet we struggled down the stretch with them for the second straight year. It goes well beyond winning percentages.

We are just getting out worked on the recruiting trail right now. Jeff Traylor on the texas staff dominated East Texas, an area that we have no business losing to any school much less one in our own state. I believe we only have one coach in the top 30 of coach recruiting rankings. Not going to cut it in the SEC.

If A&M actually wins the conference some day then we can talk about recruiting.

Are we pursuing Kary Vincent Jr.? Just won state 200m.

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We are just getting out worked on the recruiting trail right now. Jeff Traylor on the texas staff dominated East Texas, an area that we have no business losing to any school much less one in our own state. I believe we only have one coach in the top 30 of coach recruiting rankings. Not going to cut it in the SEC.

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Not likely that we are getting out worked. Out bid is more likely.

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With Chavis here I fully expected us to be knocking defensive recruiting out of the ballpark. We have seen a few good DB's consider us, but our LB and DL recruiting has been well below average since Chavis's hire......I guess we'll have to resort to the Ole Miss method of getting players.

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Who the DC is is way down the list of why kids choose a school.

We also need to get our cost of attendance figure adjusted.

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I agree with you that it isn't Chavis fault. If anything, he is one of the only bright spots we would have to sell defensive recruits right now.

But our winning percentage is still much higher than texas and yet we struggled down the stretch with them for the second straight year. It goes well beyond winning percentages.

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A) Texas offers immediate playing time for DL ... they haven't had anything for the several years prior...

B) we had a coaching change at DL this year, which has an obvious effect on things.

Not trying to be a sunshine pumper, just stating the facts that the zoo likes to gloss over when being melodramatic.

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DL recruits have been below average?.. there's a few we missed on that would have great to have... but come on...

Moton, Mack, keke, madubuike, Lockhart...

Also, it makes it hard to recruit when we are absolutely stacked across the DL.

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I don't know if I'd call it below average, but a lot of these guys except Moton and Madubiuke were already committed when Chavis got here. We have only taken 6 the last two classes(that's if both Moton and Robinson get it) and don't have any so far this year. That's really lacking on the numbers and needs to pick up otherwise we could be in trouble with depth in a couple of years.

I like the quality, but our overall numbers are a bit down and I believe this needs to be a big class. 3-4 DEs and 2-3 DTs.

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So we are judging Chavis based on 1 recruiting cycle?

Pretty sure he helped lock down Mack late, and deserves some recognition for that... being concerned about DL depth this early is also a little ridiculous, but I agree that it could become an issue if the trend continues.

If Moton does make it in (pretty sure he passed the act?) Then we have a legitimate 3 deep at the interior that is made up of mostly underclassmen.

Mack, Keke, Moton, Chevis, Henderson, Walker... just on the interior.

Except they also beat us out for LBs and DBs each of the past two years, when we could offer just as much playing time as them. Particularly at LB.

I'm not judging Chavis off anything. I already said it wasn't his fault. He's not supposed to be the closer. Sumlin is. The recruiting woes are on Sumlin and it's up to him to turn them around.

And no, being concerned with DL depth when talking about recruiting isn't ridiculous. It's exactly what you recruit for. We haven't taken high numbers and didn't redshirt anyone last year. We need a big DL class this year. If we get one, then it's no longer a worry. Until we do? It's a concern.

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I'm not judging Chavis off anything. I already said it wasn't his fault. He's not supposed to be the closer. Sumlin is. The recruiting woes are on Sumlin and it's up to him to turn them around.

And no, being concerned with DL depth when talking about recruiting isn't ridiculous. It's exactly what you recruit for. We haven't taken high numbers and didn't redshirt anyone last year. We need a big DL class this year. If we get one, then it's no longer a worry. Until we do? It's a concern.

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Oh, right, this is the zoo... it's obviously sumlin fault.

With that in mind even if we do a great job recruiting DL in 2017, are you going to be worried about depth for the 2019+ class? Aren't you a little sensitive about *possible* problems that are 2-3+ years down the road?

....How do you even get out of bed in the morning.

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Except they also beat us out for LBs and DBs each of the past two years, when we could offer just as much playing time as them. Particularly at LB.

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They sure did, but that is relevant to DL discussion how?

Also, all those freshman they beat us on in 2015 played last year. Most/all from 16 will play this year.

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I'm not judging Chavis off anything. I already said it wasn't his fault. He's not supposed to be the closer. Sumlin is. The recruiting woes are on Sumlin and it's up to him to turn them around.

And no, being concerned with DL depth when talking about recruiting isn't ridiculous. It's exactly what you recruit for. We haven't taken high numbers and didn't redshirt anyone last year. We need a big DL class this year. If we get one, then it's no longer a worry. Until we do? It's a concern.

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Oh, right, this is the zoo... it's obviously sumlin fault.

With that in mind even if we do a great job recruiting DL in 2017, are you going to be worried about depth for the 2019+ class? Aren't you a little sensitive about *possible* problems that are 2-3+ years down the road?

....How do you even get out of bed in the morning.

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Is this a joke? Why even follow recruiting? It's always about 2-3 years down the road. It's a hobby. Maybe you're the one that needs to lighten up.

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Except they also beat us out for LBs and DBs each of the past two years, when we could offer just as much playing time as them. Particularly at LB.

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They sure did, but that is relevant to DL discussion how?

Also, all those freshman they beat us on in 2015 played last year. Most/all from 16 will play this year.

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This thread is titled defensive recruiting. I didn't realize it needed to be relevant to the DL discussion only.

You can make excuses all you want for any of our coaching staffs failures. the simple matter is that we have lost out on far too many good/great defensive recruits the past year and a half. That's a trend that needs to stop with this class.

I have no problem with following recruiting... it's the issue of whining about recruiting several years out and piling that on as a reason to fire a head coach that I have issues with. Melodramatic BAS crap on this forum needs to be addressed.

Whining about how the longhorns have done on recruiting when it's apples to oranges is also stupid. You're whining about our depth problems, but the problems at tu are significantly worse. Freshman players are being handed the starting job there... at a&m they'd be competing for a chance to be a backup. Even Malik likely wouldn't have been a starter if it wasn't for injuries to olaka and Hillard last year.

Also, if you want those stupid children with twitter fingers on the team, you obviously didn't learn anything from the kyler... the zoo is continually *****ing about a negative presence in the media (especially social media) but has no problem swooning over players that talk endless trash even after missing a bowl.

I was specifically referencing DL recruiting... the OP specifically referenced DL in his post. Please try to keep up.

I'm not whining about anything. I'm stating my current thoughts on our current state of recruiting. I couldn't care less about what the longhorns do or their depth problems, other than when they take a good recruit away from us. I care about us compared to the rest of the sec west. The longhorns just happen to be our biggest threat in catching the rest of the sec and making excuses for why they are able to do it isn't going to make our team better. Going out and getting the job done will. Right now, I believe they have taken a few too many from us regardless of the circumstances you describe and that our current head coach hasn't done as good of a job as we should expect him to over the past 2 years, either on the field or the recruiting trail.

Sorry man, I just can't possibly agree with you. You come on a thread titled defensive recruiting and absolutely berate someone who is simply trying to discuss defensive recruiting. The 2015 and 2016 defensive classes were solid, but they still need to pick up if we want to win titles, and so far that isn't the case in 2017. That's my opinion. Care to actually counter it? Or do you just want to whine about "whining"?

And I'm talking about defensive recruiting, which the op specifically mentioned all three levels of the defense. How about you try to keep up.

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And I'm talking about defensive recruiting, which the op specifically mentioned all three levels of the defense. How about you try to keep up.

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You responded to MY post that was SPECIFICALLY talking about DL with a rebuttal talking about LB and DB positions...

When I called DB and LB irrelevant to the discussion of DL... you moved the goal post saying the discussion was about the entire defense? Really?

Come on man... it's like arguing with a sip. Argument isn't going your way once facts are presented (instead of zoo melodrama) so you spin this into a different subject (lb and db) where you can justify your sky is falling, blame everything on sumlin crap.

Defensive recruiting, like defensive driving, is the art of protecting yourself by actively devising and adhering to backup plans and contingencies.

I'm not moving the goalposts in the least. This thread is about defensive recruiting. Sorry if you don't want to discuss the whole state of defensive recruiting, which INCLUDED the Dl you mentioned. I don't see a single "fact" you presented that refutes anything I've said. I'm really confused. You seem to be taking this extremely personal.

What do you disagree with in regards to me saying that our coaching staff needs to pick it up on the field and the recruiting trail? Are you paying attention to our program? Or do you just like to argue? Or do you simply just not like any comment that isn't all peaches and cream?

In the first post I responded to you on, I even mentioned that I wouldn't call it below average. You're arguing with the wrong person. We just haven't had the numbers and need to get numbers in this class. That's all I've stated from the beginning.

Your sarcasm meter needs calibration my dude.