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The 4 main schools of spread offense

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AgsMyDude
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http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2016/5/6/11606684/the-4-main-schools-of-spread-offense-smashmouth-option-air-raid-pro-style


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The good pro-style spread teams are concept based, like the Air Raid, and try to do a few things really well. The bad ones try to mix in spread formations and concepts with pro-style language and approaches, call themselves "multiple," and are inefficient at most everything.

It's very difficult for college teams to actually be really, really good at multiple comprehensive concepts. The amount of practice time and the versatility or roster depth necessary to be balanced between the run and pass is usually beyond most programs. You see this most prominently at tight end.

greg.w.h
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Given the article was a survey, I'm not sure focusing on a poorly supported analysis statement with absolutely zero specific examples is particularly insightful. The article was a pretty good introduction to different spread approaches. And I don't disagree with the point you're making, either.

We're about to see. The basic philosophical distinction between spread and LOS is roughly akin to the difference between skirmishing/sniping and lines of infantry shooting at each other. It's a strategic difference designed to downplay what you're presumably bad at and highlight what you're good at. It's amusing that we took a pro-style OL--one of the best in the nation at the time Sumlin took over--and chose to weaken it into a spread line with wider splits. And strategically that has been a failure because that asset decayed and the best explanation is misuse.

But I actually am looking forward to the fall. I don't expect too much. But I do expect a resurgence on the OL and by extension both better running and better passing than last year. We'll see if the spread prevents Jim Turner from bringing about that resurgence or not. If it prevents it--as we also saw Christensen fail--it would be unwise to blame the OL coaches. But I imagine Mazzone understands exactly that and also sees this as an opportunity for redemption from the somewhat mediocre finish he had at UCLA. I really do think this fall will be very entertaining. Hopefully mostly in a positive way.
texancanuck11
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Given the article was a survey, I'm not sure focusing on a poorly supported analysis statement with absolutely zero specific examples is particularly insightful. The article was a pretty good introduction to different spread approaches. And I don't disagree with the point you're making, either.

We're about to see. The basic philosophical distinction between spread and LOS is roughly akin to the difference between skirmishing/sniping and lines of infantry shooting at each other. It's a strategic difference designed to downplay what you're presumably bad at and highlight what you're good at. It's amusing that we took a pro-style OL--one of the best in the nation at the time Sumlin took over--and chose to weaken it into a spread line with wider splits. And strategically that has been a failure because that asset decayed and the best explanation is misuse.

But I actually am looking forward to the fall. I don't expect too much. But I do expect a resurgence on the OL and by extension both better running and better passing than last year. We'll see if the spread prevents Jim Turner from bringing about that resurgence or not. If it prevents it--as we also saw Christensen fail--it would be unwise to blame the OL coaches. But I imagine Mazzone understands exactly that and also sees this as an opportunity for redemption from the somewhat mediocre finish he had at UCLA. I really do think this fall will be very entertaining. Hopefully mostly in a positive way.
That's what I'm looking for this season also. Chavis came in and made improvements across the board to our defense last year. I'm expecting to be better across the board offensively. Maybe not significantly better, but improved.

I think we could/should end up around 8-5 or 9-6.
Shooz in Katy
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9-6 eh?
Mostly Peaceful
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I think we could/should end up around 8-5 or 9-6.

9-6 would be pretty wacky. Here's how I see it playing out:

Open the season with 2 back to back losses at home. A real heart breaker to prairie view. Bounce back with wins over auburn and arkansas before another set back at sc. beat tennessee, then destroy bama at their place. But then texags looks past new mexico st and we drop another at home. we are in full melt down mode as we lose to miss st, but then we rebound to win our last 3 and make the sec championship game at 6-2 (7-5 overall). we then destroy the east champion and sneak in the playoff winning the first game, but losing the national championship. the 6 losses are enough to push sumlin out the door.
texancanuck11
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I agree 9-4 is a stretch and is improbable. I had a brain fart when I typed 9-6.

I think 8-5 could be realistic, given the improvements that our defense made last year. If our defense can do better against the run and be more of a complete defense, then our offense doesn't need to put up points like it was 2013.

Another improved defensive unit and a moderately improved offensive unit will get us 7 or 8 wins.
BrandoC
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Over the past few years, I have no clue what A&M's offense is called. I dont even think Sumlin could tell you. Closest thing I would call it would be Screen City Attempt Scramble Fail.
agcoachtx04
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Given the article was a survey, I'm not sure focusing on a poorly supported analysis statement with absolutely zero specific examples is particularly insightful. The article was a pretty good introduction to different spread approaches. And I don't disagree with the point you're making, either.

We're about to see. The basic philosophical distinction between spread and LOS is roughly akin to the difference between skirmishing/sniping and lines of infantry shooting at each other. It's a strategic difference designed to downplay what you're presumably bad at and highlight what you're good at. It's amusing that we took a pro-style OL--one of the best in the nation at the time Sumlin took over--and chose to weaken it into a spread line with wider splits. And strategically that has been a failure because that asset decayed and the best explanation is misuse.

But I actually am looking forward to the fall. I don't expect too much. But I do expect a resurgence on the OL and by extension both better running and better passing than last year. We'll see if the spread prevents Jim Turner from bringing about that resurgence or not. If it prevents it--as we also saw Christensen fail--it would be unwise to blame the OL coaches. But I imagine Mazzone understands exactly that and also sees this as an opportunity for redemption from the somewhat mediocre finish he had at UCLA. I really do think this fall will be very entertaining. Hopefully mostly in a positive way.
The undercurrent of your post would suggest that the Spread Offense degrades Offensive Linemen. I disagree with this completely. I like your analogy but it is not entirely accurate. The spread isn't about "sniping." The spread is about putting your best in a position to isolate their worst. Much like surgical missile strikes. This is harder to do in a Pro Style, Wishbone Style, or any predominantly TE/FB style offense. You can take advantage of great athletes using the Spread.

Your assumption that the Spread degrades offensive linemen couldn't be more wrong. I would argue that the Spread creates a much more balanced and versatile lineman in the fact that at any point they have to be great at multiple things.

I do agree that our offensive linemen could have been coached better, but saying that the Spread style will hinder a great coach like Jim Turner is unfounded.

Offensive Line is all about footwork. If the footwork is good, everything else will follow. Coach Turner knows that, does a great job at teaching it, and we will see our offensive line flourish under his direction.
Lateralus Ag
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Pirate always said his system was really simple and he didn't try to hide what he was doing. Just made sure they did the few things they did really, really well.
BowhunterAg83
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Last two post are so very accurate !
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