Jaime Dimon has done ok with a liberal arts degree from a small private school

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I only care where the engineering and business school is ranked (the only ones that matter). I'd rather my kid get a degree in engineering from a Tech like school than some BS liberal arts degree from a highly ranked private school.

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Depends what you are looking for. Believe it or not, I've heard employers say they like liberal arts degrees, because students with them are often very articulate and are good at writing and expressing ideas. Of course, this is for very select fields, but a good degree from a highly ranked liberal arts school can be valuable. Point is people strongly exaggerate the idea that a lib arts degree is a career death sentence.

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I guess it's a not a death sentence if you aspire to be a barista. Perhaps a liberal arts degree from a prestigious small private school can get you straight into the big leagues at a stand alone Starbucks rather than the kiosk ones at Kroger.

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I generally disagree with you on principle, and you're always an asshat about it, but on this we agree.

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Jaime Dimon has done ok with a liberal arts degree from a small private school

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Well, based on that logic, let's just use Michael Dell and Bill Gates and say that we would be better off with no college degree at all.

You may want to do a little actual research prior to spouting such ignorance.

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I only care where the engineering and business school is ranked (the only ones that matter). I'd rather my kid get a degree in engineering from a Tech like school than some BS liberal arts degree from a highly ranked private school.

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Depends what you are looking for. Believe it or not, I've heard employers say they like liberal arts degrees, because students with them are often very articulate and are good at writing and expressing ideas. Of course, this is for very select fields, but a good degree from a highly ranked liberal arts school can be valuable. Point is people strongly exaggerate the idea that a lib arts degree is a career death sentence.

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I guess it's a not a death sentence if you aspire to be a barista. Perhaps a liberal arts degree from a prestigious small private school can get you straight into the big leagues at a stand alone Starbucks rather than the kiosk ones at Kroger.

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There are good, legitimate careers in the world besides engineering, you know.

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I only care where the engineering and business school is ranked (the only ones that matter). I'd rather my kid get a degree in engineering from a Tech like school than some BS liberal arts degree from a highly ranked private school.

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Way to denigrate lib arts students everywhere, champ.

Look on the bright side. At least we're not miss stake

Georgia isn't AAU and is ranked ahead of us? Strange.

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I only care where the engineering and business school is ranked (the only ones that matter). I'd rather my kid get a degree in engineering from a Tech like school than some BS liberal arts degree from a highly ranked private school.

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Way to denigrate lib arts students everywhere, champ.

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I'll have you know I'm very generous when I tip waitstaff.

The more you post, the more ignorant you seem, but it's probably just immaturity. Really, that sort of hubris was something most of us engineers matured out of by 30.

We are on the brink of a massive student loan bubble and morons are pushing to have their loans forgiven because of their stupid choices. We will pay for that. I will pay for that. And I mostly blame idiot liberal arts majors at small private colleges.

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We are on the brink of a massive student loan bubble and morons are pushing to have their loans forgiven because of their stupid choices. We will pay for that. I will pay for that. And I mostly blame idiot liberal arts majors at small private colleges.

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Okay since you insist on continuously being smug about this, I'll spell it out for you. I know you enjoy the "all liberal arts majors are stupid and all careers not called engineering are a waste of time" circlejerk, but at the end of the day, you are wrong.

The world is changing. Our economy is more information based. Some employers have come to value liberal arts degrees. They want people who can write clearly and effectively, can communicate effectively, are good at developing strong business relationships, are good at client outreach. Liberal arts majors often have these skills. And these skills are valuable in non-STEM fields. They do well in sales careers, journalism, legal careers... to name a few.

I still would not recommend anyone major in lib arts. I will, however, defend them because they get a lot of hate they don't deserve.

Something pointed out in another thread on this topic is that liberal arts are not "fine arts". Liberal arts includes many subjects. Technically even math is a "liberal art".

And let's look at who is going to solve the problems of the world in the coming decades. Engineers and scientists are going to be crucial. But who "solves" the Middle East? Who reconciles radical Islam with the rest of the world? Who defines the human problems that the engineers design technical solutions for? Who then politically implements those solutions in disparate ways that different societies and cultures may need? And heck, who sells the solutions engineers provide and induces customers to pay the most money for them? And on and on and on...

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A&M used to be the second highest ranked school in the SEC behind Vandy. Now it's fourth behind Florida and Georgia.

15) Vanderbilt
47) Florida
61) Georgia
70) Texas A&M
96) Alabama
102) Auburn
103) Missouri
103) Tennessee
108) South Carolina
129) Arkansas
129) Kentucky
129) LSU
140) Mississippi
161) Mississippi State

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All part of the vision 20/20 to get to 80K enrollment and water down the value of our degree and our rings.

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Care to share where in Vision 2020 there is a mention of 80K enrollment?

We need to pour some money into the business school. Our endowment is fourth behind Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou, and one spot ahead of Alabama.

America's Wealthiest Business Schools

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We need to pour some money into the business school. Our endowment is fourth behind Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou, and one spot ahead of Alabama.

America's Wealthiest Business Schools

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Thanks for offering to take care of that for us.

US News rankings are and have been a running joke for decades.

Do you know what kind of hell would break loose if a school like Abilene Christian or Hillsdale College ended up in the top 10? I know they have smaller school rankings, but the "national university" implies those are the best schools in the country. Nobody here referenced a smaller school ranking as it is generally thought that the so-called national schools are better. I know a lot of really smart people who never stepped foot on a campus of more than 3k students until graduate school.

If every college president in the current top 25 national schools rankings mentioned a smaller school like the 2 above in their own top 10, would USNWR include it? Absolutely not.

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US News rankings are and have been a running joke for decades.

Do you know what kind of hell would break loose if a school like Abilene Christian or Hillsdale College ended up in the top 10? I know they have smaller school rankings, but the "national university" implies those are the best schools in the country. Nobody here referenced a smaller school ranking as it is generally thought that the so-called national schools are better. I know a lot of really smart people who never stepped foot on a campus of more than 3k students until graduate school.

If every college president in the current top 25 national schools rankings mentioned a smaller school like the 2 above in their own top 10, would USNWR include it? Absolutely not.

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What?

"National Universities" doesn't mean large universities.

None of their top national universities are particularly large.

Cal Tech has less than 1,000 undergrads and fewer than 2500 total students.

People would laugh at placing Abilene Christian in the top 10 not because it is small, but because it's not a top 10 university.

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Georgia isn't AAU and is ranked ahead of us? Strange.

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AAU is all about research dollars spent. If a university doesn't spend enough money on research, they get kicked out. It isn't really a measure of the best universities. It is a collection of Universities with the largest research expenditures. Many of the top universities also spend tons of money on research so there is a lot of overlap, but there are many great universities that are not AAU members because they don't spend enough money on research.

Tom Brokaw on Alabama insult: 'Folks, it was a joke'

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The long-time former host of "NBC Nightly News" generated a flurry of criticism when speaking before a graduating class at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, he said: "I'm so relieved to be speaking to a graduating class from Ole Miss. If I were speaking at Alabama, I would have to use smaller words and shorter sentences."

His comments drew reaction from Tuscaloosa, where university officials made the following statement Sunday: "Thirty-six percent of the freshman class at the University of Alabama has an ACT score of 30 or higher. This places Alabama in the top 5 percent in the country. Our numbers speak for themselves."

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Perception is reality. You can nitpick any set of rankings, but you can't dismiss the importance they play in shaping people's impressions of a school. For whatever reason, we keep dropping at a time when applications keep going up, and it doesn't seem like anyone at the school seems to care. But Sharp got him a big ol football field and a lot of back slapping from the good ol boys so what else matters!

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agree.

you can talk all you want about how USNWR is biased or their formula sucks or whatever but the fact is they are widely considered the standard in these rankings. you can only go so long justifying your constant slide down those rankings. anyone who thinks their rankings dont matter is naive at best.

we are now only a couple of spots ahead of Baylor.

get that through your heads.

freakin BAYLOR.

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People would laugh at placing Abilene Christian in the top 10 not because it is small, but because it's not a top 10 university.

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Although I dislike ACU, there is very little difference in the quality of professors at small private universities and large universities. From my experience, the basic required courses in STEM were equal or better at the small universities since most were taught by tenured professors. My chemistry professor at a small university wrote the textbook we used in our introductory chemistry classes (at that time the university had one of the top med school acceptance rates in the state).

One of the worst classes I took at A&M was Thermodynamics; not because of the subject material, but because it took over two weeks of classes before we could understand the "English" that was spoken by our Turkish instructor.

The bottom line is that the education at any university is only as good as the professors that teach the classes in your field of study. That can vary greatly from university to university, and even in the specific department at a large university where several professors (some that are much better than others) teach the same course.

Double post

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I swear to god I have seen this thread at least three times in the past year

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and you still took the time to read all the posts? or did you just take the time to skim it and post your own note, instead of the 5 seconds it takes to ignore it?

sorry, but posts like yours are 1000x more annoying than people discussing topics that have been discussed previously.

I hate watching our administration turn us into Texas tech.

Ag Devo Majors UNITE!!!!

WGAS what US News and World Reports thinks?

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WGAS what US News and World Reports thinks?

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Lots and lots of people. So in positions to make important decisions.

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You may want to do a little actual research prior to spouting such ignorance.

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You gonna behave this way on every thread on the football board? FYI, your verbose pretentiousness on this topic is really boring. Hth

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WGAS what US News and World Reports thinks?

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Lots and lots of people. So in positions to make important decisions.

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Like whom?