With all do respects, I'm not writing this to be controversial. We've had a rough patch these past few months, but Kevin Sumlin's record warrants our support. Sumlin BLEEDS maroon. This is his dream job and he has MORE wins in his 4 year career at Texas A&M than he did in his 4 year career at UH, when literally everyone was trying to hire him. As an SEC West coach, the record is not the problem. Period. HIS ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT HE IS NOT NICK SABAN. And, lets be honest, no one is. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to the competition. Does that mean he will never win the SEC? No. It just means we have to be PATIENT. There is no possible way that man will get fired during the eligibility of the guys he's recruiting for this class. THE BUYOUT IS TOO HIGH. So, can we please end all of the innuendos about him? Given his record to date (and his age), it's highly probable that Sumlin will be our Gary Patterson. The Head Coaching position at Texas A&M has become a revolving door, and (TRUST ME) the new AD does not intend to let that become engrained in our DNA. He knows about the trend and he will give Kevin Sumlin AT LEAST four more years based on the records of his first four seasons. He has built up that much equity. Please never refer to him as the Houston coach again. TOM HERMAN is Houston's coach. KEVIN SUMLIN has now been at Texas A&M longer than he was at UH. That makes him a product of this university. Looking forward to finishing off another Top 20 recruiting class. Gig Em

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Looking forward to finishing off another Top 20 recruiting class. Gig Em

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Top 20 will most likely mean dead last in the SEC-W

Not good enough

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Looking forward to finishing off another Top 20 recruiting class. Gig Em

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Top 20 will most likely mean dead last in the SEC-W

Not good enough

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All we had was top 20 classes when we went 11-2 in the sec our first year.

Quit with you're BAS.

I agree with OP.

I agree with op.

Stopped reading after "do respect"

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Didn't read. Assumed it was gonna be a rookie with no Ag tag from title.

Edit - not bad. I was too quick to judge.

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Looking forward to finishing off another Top 20 recruiting class. Gig Em

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He hasn't exactly set the world on fire with the recruiting classes he has had and this one will likely be the worst ranked class he has signed so far in his time here.

We are becoming a destination where coaches can build a nice nest egg for retirement without having to produce results that match the paycheck.

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Looking forward to finishing off another Top 20 recruiting class. Gig Em

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He hasn't exactly set the world on fire with the recruiting classes he has had and this one will likely be the worst ranked class he has signed so far in his time here.

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So you aren't willing to let his recruits develope? How bout all the attrition from the first class, does that factor into this in anyway, in your opinion?

You are out of touch with how teams are built.

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We are becoming a destination where coaches can build a nice nest egg for retirement without having to produce results that match the paycheck.

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So chollies 11 wins in two years while getting paid more and a yearly raise is different, right?

Perspective

I couldn't agree more with OP.
Sumlin is the face of A&M football now and for possibly eternity. He too will have a statue when it's all said and done.

One of 4 schools in the SEC with 8+ wins since Sumlins been here, not bad, but our fans think we're Alabama.

OP sip trolled the **** out of all of y'all.

No, he won't.

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We are becoming a destination where coaches can build a nice nest egg for retirement without having to produce results that match the paycheck.

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So chollies 11 wins in two years while getting paid more and a yearly raise is different, right?

Perspective

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Unlike you I don't give a **** what the sips do. I also don't base our success off of what the sips are doing but rather what we are doing. If you're content with moral victories in being able to brag that we finished with more wins than the sips then it's you who needs perspective.

What I do know is that the contracts we've given the past 3 coaches are ridiculous. Anytime a coach has any success we reward them with a stupid bonus and extension.

Two more years of high salary mediocrity, then we hire someone who can actually have us in the top 20.

Gig 'em, Sumlin

All he needs is a run defense and an offense and he will be unstoppable, amirite? These things take time.

Good point Mrs. Sumlin.

I don't understand why anyone would think the high salary/pay increase Sumlin has received should improve his performance and get frustrated AT HIM when it inevitably doesn't. That's some pretty faulty "logic". The fact is that he was given the raise to keep him from leaving. It doesn't magically make him a better coach than Saban, Miles, etc.

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I don't understand why anyone would think the high salary/pay increase Sumlin has received should improve his performance and get frustrated AT HIM when it inevitably doesn't. That's some pretty faulty "logic". The fact is that he was given the raise to keep him from leaving. It doesn't magically make him a better coach than Saban, Miles, etc.

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Trident no one thinks Sumlin should magically become a better coach due to a higher salary/pay increase? Or that the increase in pay should improve his results? But you do realize Sumlin is getting paid like a top tier coach. So how is that "faulty logic" to expect him to produce similar results as those top tier coaches?

I understand BMAs wanting to give Sumlin a pay raise to keep him from leaving. The problem is that the increase was GUARANTEED regardless of performance or results. Pay increases and higher salary are usually to reward results. But not here.

By the way thinking Sumlin is even on the same level as Miles muchless Saban is laughable.

So by everyone's logic would we be ok with our performance if we were paying less for it?

8-5 in year 4, with the easiest schedule we'll ever have, is not impressive. 2012 was great, but neither Manziel not that OL are coming back. At this point it's "what can Sumlin build?

Maybe he'll succeed in that. Chavis is great and Mazzone is at minimum competent. But after the last two years nobody should be throwing around terms like lifer.

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But you do realize Sumlin is getting paid like a top tier coach. So how is that "faulty logic" to expect him to produce similar results as those top tier coaches?

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How much Sumlin is getting paid only has at best a small influence on the results he's producing, and zero influence on his capability.

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The problem is that the increase was GUARANTEED regardless of performance or results. Pay increases and higher salary are usually to reward results. But not here.

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And that isn't Sumlin's fault. Not one damn bit. Being mad at Sumlin for accepting the money he was offered would be stupid.

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By the way thinking Sumlin is even on the same level as Miles muchless Saban is laughable.

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I agree. He hasn't proven that he's a top tier coach, which is why I can only hope that he'll produce the "similar results" you expect.

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I don't understand why anyone would think the high salary/pay increase Sumlin has received should improve his performance and get frustrated AT HIM when it inevitably doesn't. That's some pretty faulty "logic". The fact is that he was given the raise to keep him from leaving. It doesn't magically make him a better coach than Saban, Miles, etc.

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Sound Logic, Trident.

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Trident no one thinks Sumlin should magically become a better coach due to a higher salary/pay increase? Or that the increase in pay should improve his results? But you do realize Sumlin is getting paid like a top tier coach. So how is that "faulty logic" to expect him to produce similar results as those top tier coaches?

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Similar results as those top tier coaches? Do you know the type of talent Miles had on campus before he got to LSU? He inherited #3, #21, #3 & #3 ranked classes from 2001-2004. Started in January of 05 and won right away.

Sumlin Inhereted #16, #25, #19 & #34 ranked classes. Started in December and won right away and has tapered of since. Has been trying to revamp the defense ever since he got here and fight the attrition from that 2012 or 2013 class in which so many guys were lost.

Do you not think Sumlin had a rougher go from the start? Why can't he be allowed to build his program with talent and depth?

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I understand BMAs wanting to give Sumlin a pay raise to keep him from leaving. The problem is that the increase was GUARANTEED regardless of performance or results. Pay increases and higher salary are usually to reward results. But not here.

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Of course it was guaranteed money. Non-guaranteed money, in the SEC West, with far less talent and depth than many of the in conference teams is NOT enticing enough nor does it show booster/school commitment to a coach. Nothing is guaranteed in the SEC. We HAD to give him something to let him know we really want him, not just "kinda sorta" want him.

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By the way thinking Sumlin is even on the same level as Miles muchless Saban is laughable.

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He's never had the platform those two have had/inherited to prove he is at that level. As mentioned already, Les came in with a full cupboard. Sumlin, not so much. In my opinion, since his hiring he has done a much better job than many other HC's could have. So why not look at our/Sumlins situation for what it was and quit comparing him to other coaches that waltzed in with a full clip at their disposal?

Again, Perspective.

It's "due" and "respect", not "do" and "respects".

Two ridiculous grammatical errors in the first four words of your post....and that was the most intelligent part of the entire thing.

I sure hope not. He hasn't proven much past 4 years.

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All he needs is a run defense and an offense and he will be unstoppable, amirite? These things take time.

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Yup, top 20 recruiting class with Mazzone and Chief to coach 'me up and develop them. Recruiting will bounce back with a good season next year.

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I don't understand why anyone would think the high salary/pay increase Sumlin has received should improve his performance and get frustrated AT HIM when it inevitably doesn't. That's some pretty faulty "logic". The fact is that he was given the raise to keep him from leaving. It doesn't magically make him a better coach than Saban, Miles, etc.

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While I agree with your point, it's not that they magically expect his performance to increase. They are pointing out the incongruity of paying Rolls Royce prices for Yugo performance.