Because his stats have really regressed this year. Let him fail on the field if that is the case.
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He is a tragic hero and it's a damn shame because it never ends well. He hasn't hit his rock bottom yet, not even close. Hope he can pull himself out of it.
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He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
No, this is something that 80% of us did when we were 22.
FIFY
unreal the stupidity and senility going on here
quote:quote:He told the Browns he had cleaned up his act. He told the Browns they had nothing to worry about moving forward. He lied.quote:
He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
Terrible example. Besides, what is there to defend? Going out on an off week?
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
In what way did Johnny behavior reflect poorly on the organization and specifically, how did it hurt his or his teams performance?
Are you suggesting that Johnny can't have an alcoholic drink in public on his off weeks? Can he not show himself to be having fun with alcohol? Exactly what behavior is forbidden for Johnny? Is this Johnny's rule and does it apply to the other players on his team?
I see a ton of professional athletes getting drunk and partying at bars and strip clubs all the time. Why is Johnny being made an example of and not the other significant majority of other pro athletes who like to party?
I think it's unfair to call him an idiot for letting himself get caught doing something that shouldnt warrant such ridicule. The only idiots here are the ones who have it out for Johnny and have so since he was at A&M and most of all A&M alumni who buy into the witch hunt propaganda spewed to tarnish his reputation and diminish any positive impact his success A&M has brought. I'm proud of what Johnny did at and for A&M. Wouldnt change it for anything. If I was him, I would demand a trade. He is clearly playing for s coach that isn't on his side. You want to talk about trust. How can Johnny trust his own head coach after everything he has said and done to him over the past 2 years.
quote:quote:quote:He told the Browns he had cleaned up his act. He told the Browns they had nothing to worry about moving forward. He lied.quote:
He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
Terrible example. Besides, what is there to defend? Going out on an off week?
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
In what way did Johnny behavior reflect poorly on the organization and specifically, how did it hurt his or his teams performance?
Are you suggesting that Johnny can't have an alcoholic drink in public on his off weeks? Can he not show himself to be having fun with alcohol? Exactly what behavior is forbidden for Johnny? Is this Johnny's rule and does it apply to the other players on his team?
I see a ton of professional athletes getting drunk and partying at bars and strip clubs all the time. Why is Johnny being made an example of and not the other significant majority of other pro athletes who like to party?
I think it's unfair to call him an idiot for letting himself get caught doing something that shouldnt warrant such ridicule. The only idiots here are the ones who have it out for Johnny and have so since he was at A&M and most of all A&M alumni who buy into the witch hunt propaganda spewed to tarnish his reputation and diminish any positive impact his success A&M has brought. I'm proud of what Johnny did at and for A&M. Wouldnt change it for anything. If I was him, I would demand a trade. He is clearly playing for s coach that isn't on his side. You want to talk about trust. How can Johnny trust his own head coach after everything he has said and done to him over the past 2 years.
Political correctness and liberalism (nice word for socialism) is what is behind this. Did he harm himself or someone else during or after his party? Was he responsible and found a safe way "home" and sleep it off? Give up your ideas, they have won. Vote democrat, give up your rights and be part of the "community"!
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Political correctness and liberalism (nice word for socialism) is what is behind this. Did he harm himself or someone else during or after his party? Was he responsible and found a safe way "home" and sleep it off? Give up your ideas, they have won. Vote democrat, give up your rights and be part of the "community"!
Complete and total bull****. Social media, cell phone camers, and scumbag reporters reporting to the lowest common denominator caused this. I know you guys try really, really hard to blame everything on "socialism," but, and I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, reality is something completely different.
quote:Simple. Because he let it affect his preparedness, performance, and work ethic all last year. Thus, the Browns are not going to give him any slack, especially after going to rehab for it, and promising them he would clean up his act. So yes, he is held to a different standard, which is also his fault.quote:quote:quote:He told the Browns he had cleaned up his act. He told the Browns they had nothing to worry about moving forward. He lied.quote:
He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
Terrible example. Besides, what is there to defend? Going out on an off week?
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
In what way did Johnny behavior reflect poorly on the organization and specifically, how did it hurt his or his teams performance?
Are you suggesting that Johnny can't have an alcoholic drink in public on his off weeks? Can he not show himself to be having fun with alcohol? Exactly what behavior is forbidden for Johnny? Is this Johnny's rule and does it apply to the other players on his team?
I see a ton of professional athletes getting drunk and partying at bars and strip clubs all the time. Why is Johnny being made an example of and not the other significant majority of other pro athletes who like to party?
I think it's unfair to call him an idiot for letting himself get caught doing something that shouldnt warrant such ridicule. The only idiots here are the ones who have it out for Johnny and have so since he was at A&M and most of all A&M alumni who buy into the witch hunt propaganda spewed to tarnish his reputation and diminish any positive impact his success A&M has brought. I'm proud of what Johnny did at and for A&M. Wouldnt change it for anything. If I was him, I would demand a trade. He is clearly playing for s coach that isn't on his side. You want to talk about trust. How can Johnny trust his own head coach after everything he has said and done to him over the past 2 years.
But the Browns are ok with starting him after a woman he was with tried to throw herself from a car mid-argument?
It's either a morality play by the Browns of he broke a verbal agreement he had with the coaching staff.
It's either a morality play by the Browns of he broke a verbal agreement he had with the coaching staff.
quote:I think Johnny has already reached this outcome. More than likely, the decision has already been made with the actual firing taking place at the end of the season.
JFF is working towards the second outcome.
quote:That was likely the one pass they were willing to give him this year.
But the Browns are ok with starting him after a woman he was with tried to throw herself from a car mid-argument?
It's either a morality play by the Browns of he broke a verbal agreement he had with the coaching staff.
That organization has a paid employee named Jim Brown. NFL legend. A player mentor and team spokesman.
Given they employ him considering his history of domestic violence, it's quite odd they are drawing this line with Johnny. I know Jim is an NFL legend, but given the Pettine speech today about being a face of the organization I find their stance quite hypocritical.
Given they employ him considering his history of domestic violence, it's quite odd they are drawing this line with Johnny. I know Jim is an NFL legend, but given the Pettine speech today about being a face of the organization I find their stance quite hypocritical.
Seems like a strange line to draw in the sand, especially since no police were called and he followed up that night doing charity work the next day.
Lol.
Those of you saying people are "defending" or "apologizing" for manziel crack me up.
The people who care this much about what a football player does in his off time (that isn't illegal)
To the point of suggesting he needs to be defended Need to get a grip.
The Browns have let the media hijack their franchise.
I guess sorry I'm not outraged and upset over the most cliche young dude thing ever.
Johnny ain't the problem, bro.
Those of you saying people are "defending" or "apologizing" for manziel crack me up.
The people who care this much about what a football player does in his off time (that isn't illegal)
To the point of suggesting he needs to be defended Need to get a grip.
The Browns have let the media hijack their franchise.
I guess sorry I'm not outraged and upset over the most cliche young dude thing ever.
Johnny ain't the problem, bro.
some here get it; some surely dont. first, you're completely naiive if you think you know EVERYTHING here and what went in to the decision to bench. browns have been very patient w him.
second, there is obviously a line that the Browns have set for him, and he crossed it by his own actions. thats on HIM.
those two points are obvious, and if you dont understand that, you're about like johnny.
second, there is obviously a line that the Browns have set for him, and he crossed it by his own actions. thats on HIM.
those two points are obvious, and if you dont understand that, you're about like johnny.
He crossed those same lines recently and they promoted him to starter for the final 6 games.
So cross the lines-get promoted-
Cross the lines get demoted.
Media is making the decisions. The Browns leadership is acting like indecisive clowns
And if those lines are don't look stupid in a video... The Browns cross those every Sunday.
So cross the lines-get promoted-
Cross the lines get demoted.
Media is making the decisions. The Browns leadership is acting like indecisive clowns
And if those lines are don't look stupid in a video... The Browns cross those every Sunday.
You are making a number of assumptions.
It is certainly possible that what you are suggesting is true, however, from an optics POV this isn't even close to the highway incident.
The whole thing seems a little off and there is likely much more to the story.
It is certainly possible that what you are suggesting is true, however, from an optics POV this isn't even close to the highway incident.
The whole thing seems a little off and there is likely much more to the story.
Doesn't Gronk do this all the time????? And the media loves it. WTF?
it's called being a professional and mature w decisions.
Matt Lienert had his partying issues and see where it landed him. Tony Romo got killed by the media for vacationing in Mexico a weekend before a playoff game. Ben Roethlisbeger had his partying issues. the NFL has always had its QBs front and center.
The media loves to tear down and write stories about QBs. You don't hear about Tom Brady or Peyton Manning not because they don't party (they DO), it's because they are smart about it.
JFF is going to go the way of a long list of failed heisman trophy QBs who could make it in the NFL because he's a moron off the field.
Matt Lienert had his partying issues and see where it landed him. Tony Romo got killed by the media for vacationing in Mexico a weekend before a playoff game. Ben Roethlisbeger had his partying issues. the NFL has always had its QBs front and center.
The media loves to tear down and write stories about QBs. You don't hear about Tom Brady or Peyton Manning not because they don't party (they DO), it's because they are smart about it.
JFF is going to go the way of a long list of failed heisman trophy QBs who could make it in the NFL because he's a moron off the field.
quote:This.
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
The number of (I assume) young posters on this thread who don't understand employment, responsibility and trust is astounding. The number who don't understand alcohol is astounding.
Also, as has been mentioned, we don't know what else has gone into this decision. There is only one thing that we do know. This is 100% on Manziel. It's astounding just how "invisible and bullet proof" someone can think they are. Either that, or he just doesn't care. And given that with the money he's made and his family wealth the one understandable thing would be him just not caring.
quote:Has Johnny been a Boy Scout?? Hell, no.
Also, as has been mentioned, we don't know what else has gone into this decision. There is only one thing that we do know. This is 100% on Manziel. It's astounding just how "invisible and bullet proof" someone can think they are. Either that, or he just doesn't care. And given that with the money he's made and his family wealth the one understandable thing would be him just not caring.
Were most posters worried about him declaring when it was almost certain he would go to Cleveland?? Hell, yes.
Do the Cleveland Browns have a long history of stability at QB?? Hell, no.
If this is 100% on Manziel, then it must have been 100% on the following (since the 2000 season):
Doug Pederson, Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, Bryan Hoyer, Josh McCown.
From the above list, Only Couch*, Anderson and McCoy were the named starter for more than one season, and none of them started more than 2 seasons in that time frame.
*Tim Couch started in 1999 as well. He played at Kentucky under Air Raid coach Hal Mumme.
so, now that he's not starting... he can probably party more!
everybody wins!
everybody wins!
The benching for irresponsibility is 100% on him. (period)
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He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
No, this isn't something that 80% of us did when we were 22.
I remember when I was 22 making millions of dollars and was just about to be named the starting QB for a NFL team but lost out because I couldn't control my extreme drinking and partying.
That seemed to be what me and all my friends were jinxed with......
Johnny needs to get out of Cleveland. They can't catch the ball and he will never perform with the team well cause they are not good. He should do his job, follow their rules on and off field. Get stronger and skilled while there. Be the best he can be for now. Then, get out of there when contract is up. Might save some of that money for the future.
Image is important to the team. Johnny needs to realize that and use more discretion on his fun time. Put the juice in a plastic cup and don't go nuts out in public! Somehow I hope JFF finds a way to soar, but seems like he is not supported by coach, media, etc.
Image is important to the team. Johnny needs to realize that and use more discretion on his fun time. Put the juice in a plastic cup and don't go nuts out in public! Somehow I hope JFF finds a way to soar, but seems like he is not supported by coach, media, etc.
quote:quote:This.
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
The number of (I assume) young posters on this thread who don't understand employment, responsibility and trust is astounding. The number who don't understand alcohol is astounding.
Also, as has been mentioned, we don't know what else has gone into this decision. There is only one thing that we do know. This is 100% on Manziel. It's astounding just how "invisible and bullet proof" someone can think they are. Either that, or he just doesn't care. And given that with the money he's made and his family wealth the one understandable thing would be him just not caring.
Please educate us on alcohol.
I'm sure that you never drank alcohol the week before work, or even the day before work.
I'm sure you were never intoxicated the week before work, or even the day before work.
Johnny went out the week before work. Not even sure he was intoxicated.
This holier than thou argument is really comical- I would even say "astounding."
Cecil- assuming from the post that you are in management- when is the last time you searched/reviewed social media to investigate drinking of your employees in their off-time? I'll guess never. And if you have- did you ever suspend that employee for their off-time drinking? Probably sounds astounding to even ask those questions because it is astounding to consider a manager doing that.
Because it's the employee's own free time. Anyone in real business cares about performance.
Also- and this is a real newsflash- the NFL is a business. It's about winning games.
I don't see many moral leaders on the sidelines of any NFL game.
So WTF is all this talk from the Browns as if they are running a church organization about being the "face" or about "trust?" What exactly are they actually needing to trust him with?
The only trust they need is that he is the best QB for their team (short of criminal issues which he has none). Period. And his performance has warranted him to play.
Have him go out, win games, and provide entertainment. The NFL is about NOTHING more than that.
This has everything to do with holier-than-thou NFL team management being butt hurt over Johnny not doing exactly what they say- regardless of any double standard for other players and regardless of whether it has any effect on his performance on the field. (And no- there has been no evidence I'm aware of that he has shown up in any manner affected by alcohol to practices/games/meetings or that he isn't practicing/preparing to expectations).
If my first boss after graduation called me in to get on me for my weekend activities I would have told him to f off.
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He could take a bunny from a little girl and kill it in front of her and people would defend him. That's the really sad part of his story.
Maybe it was the rabbit from Monty Python and he was protecting the little girl. Silly media overreaction.
quote:quote:quote:This.
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
The number of (I assume) young posters on this thread who don't understand employment, responsibility and trust is astounding. The number who don't understand alcohol is astounding.
Also, as has been mentioned, we don't know what else has gone into this decision. There is only one thing that we do know. This is 100% on Manziel. It's astounding just how "invisible and bullet proof" someone can think they are. Either that, or he just doesn't care. And given that with the money he's made and his family wealth the one understandable thing would be him just not caring.
Please educate us on alcohol.
I'm sure that you never drank alcohol the week before work, or even the day before work.
I'm sure you were never intoxicated the week before work, or even the day before work.
Johnny went out the week before work. Not even sure he was intoxicated.
This holier than thou argument is really comical- I would even say "astounding."
Cecil- assuming from the post that you are in management- when is the last time you searched/reviewed social media to investigate drinking of your employees in their off-time? I'll guess never. And if you have- did you ever suspend that employee for their off-time drinking? Probably sounds astounding to even ask those questions because it is astounding to consider a manager doing that.
Because it's the employee's own free time. Anyone in real business cares about performance.
Also- and this is a real newsflash- the NFL is a business. It's about winning games.
I don't see many moral leaders on the sidelines of any NFL game.
So WTF is all this talk from the Browns as if they are running a church organization about being the "face" or about "trust?" What exactly are they actually needing to trust him with?
The only trust they need is that he is the best QB for their team (short of criminal issues which he has none). Period. And his performance has warranted him to play.
Have him go out, win games, and provide entertainment. The NFL is about NOTHING more than that.
This has everything to do with holier-than-thou NFL team management being butt hurt over Johnny not doing exactly what they say- regardless of any double standard for other players and regardless of whether it has any effect on his performance on the field. (And no- there has been no evidence I'm aware of that he has shown up in any manner affected by alcohol to practices/games/meetings or that he isn't practicing/preparing to expectations).
All what you say is true......but they are the owners and they set the rules. It may not be fair but that is the way it works the world.
Having fun on your day off = killing a child's bunny in front of them.
Never change, texags. Never.
Never change, texags. Never.
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No, this isn't something that 80% of us did when we were 22.
We're 80% of 22 year olds already had a stint in rehab, just named an NFL starting QB and I'm sure had more than one sit down with not only Cleveland front office but I'm sure NFL management about how to behave and not draw negative attention....and he still makes the same damn mistakes over and over. That's the problem. He's a complete idiot and pretty much the only thing left in his career is his 30 for 30 about the most wasted talent ever.
Would yall stop saying rehab like Johnny hit rock bottom and was sucking D for a drink? It was a PR move and something to get him in the good graces of Browns management.
quote:...and we're ridiculing them for their stupid and arbitrary rule setting.quote:quote:quote:This.
It is not about this one incident. It is about a track record of behavior proving to the Browns that they cannot trust him with the keys to their team. It is a "trust" issue, not a legal issue, or even a right/wrong issue.
The number of (I assume) young posters on this thread who don't understand employment, responsibility and trust is astounding. The number who don't understand alcohol is astounding.
Also, as has been mentioned, we don't know what else has gone into this decision. There is only one thing that we do know. This is 100% on Manziel. It's astounding just how "invisible and bullet proof" someone can think they are. Either that, or he just doesn't care. And given that with the money he's made and his family wealth the one understandable thing would be him just not caring.
Please educate us on alcohol.
I'm sure that you never drank alcohol the week before work, or even the day before work.
I'm sure you were never intoxicated the week before work, or even the day before work.
Johnny went out the week before work. Not even sure he was intoxicated.
This holier than thou argument is really comical- I would even say "astounding."
Cecil- assuming from the post that you are in management- when is the last time you searched/reviewed social media to investigate drinking of your employees in their off-time? I'll guess never. And if you have- did you ever suspend that employee for their off-time drinking? Probably sounds astounding to even ask those questions because it is astounding to consider a manager doing that.
Because it's the employee's own free time. Anyone in real business cares about performance.
Also- and this is a real newsflash- the NFL is a business. It's about winning games.
I don't see many moral leaders on the sidelines of any NFL game.
So WTF is all this talk from the Browns as if they are running a church organization about being the "face" or about "trust?" What exactly are they actually needing to trust him with?
The only trust they need is that he is the best QB for their team (short of criminal issues which he has none). Period. And his performance has warranted him to play.
Have him go out, win games, and provide entertainment. The NFL is about NOTHING more than that.
This has everything to do with holier-than-thou NFL team management being butt hurt over Johnny not doing exactly what they say- regardless of any double standard for other players and regardless of whether it has any effect on his performance on the field. (And no- there has been no evidence I'm aware of that he has shown up in any manner affected by alcohol to practices/games/meetings or that he isn't practicing/preparing to expectations).
All what you say is true......but they are the owners and they set the rules. It may not be fair but that is the way it works the world.
I find it hard to believe that the apologists for him are really serious at this point.
He's BLOWING IT!!! Don't you guys understand that? It is no one's fault but his own at this point.
He's BLOWING IT!!! Don't you guys understand that? It is no one's fault but his own at this point.
quote:he's "blowing it" because the browns have decided that he's the only one in the NFL that can't go to a bar on his off week. which is pretty hilarious. they went from thinking he was good enough to be their best chances to get the most wins the rest of the season to the third best option. for going to a bar. think about that. how nonsensical is that?
I find it hard to believe that the apologists for him are really serious at this point.
He's BLOWING IT!!! Don't you guys understand that? It is no one's fault but his own at this point.
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