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Pass Play Analysis - Bama Games 2012 vs 2015

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bluecouchstudios
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I wrote some of this a week ago and posted it in Premium. After the news broke this week, I decided to finish it and post here. If I missed anything I needed to update, keep in mind that timing.

Setup

I decided to look back at how Kingsbury used the short passing game since Spavital does not utilize it very often. To determine this, I decided it would be a good comparison to chart the pass plays from the 2012 and 2015 Bama games. Specifically, I logged 2 stats:

1) How long did it take to throw the ball after the ball was snapped (seconds)?
2) How many yards downfield was the WR when the ball arrived?

I stopped after 3 quarters of the 2012 game because a pattern had been established. For 2015, I stopped after 14 plays because a conclusion could be reached.

Notable Stats
  • 1.8 vs. 2.6 - average time (seconds) from snap to pass in 2012 vs. 2015 (excluding 5 plays on which Johnny ran around
  • 36 vs. 13 - the number of plays it took for us to throw 5 passes over 5 yards in 2012 vs 2015

Let's look at a few examples of how Kliff used the short passing game both early in the game to gain some easy yards and later in the game as a decoy.

Short Passing Game

In 2012, we threw this stop to Swope 4 times in the 1st 3 drives Snap to pass was between 1.3-1.6 seconds. Pretty much anytime Bama had 6 in the box, we threw a pass like this. Swope turned and dove for as many yards as he could get and rushed back to line up. He made attempt to juke a defender. Tempo seemed the priority over maximum yards.







A natural assumption is that Bama has learned from that and would never allow it this season. That assumption is wrong. This is the 1st play from scrimmage. They are giving the 3 yard stop to Kirk. Instead, we roll-out Allen and throw a 18 yard out that is nearly intercepted. The roll-out is important so make note of it for future plays.






Timing Issues - Part 1

On the following play, we need a 1st down on a 3rd and 3. Bama has walked a LB out to stop the quick throw to Kirk so that's not an option. The play here is a good idea but has one flaw. The route is good and Kirk is open. Whether due to QB play or play design, the timing is off. When Kirk turns around, Kyle is still holding the ball. He should be releasing the ball so it arrives before the safety can break up the pass.

I tend to believe the timing issue is due to play design because Allen throws the ball just after his drop. I have another reason to believe it's play design and I'll get to that in a minute. Regardless, the safety got there in time and broke up the pass.








The Offensive Line

After watching film closely, I have to question Christensen's coaching. I saved this screenshot from above for this point. Note that Bama is running a stunt with their DT and LB. The DT pushes outside to try and get the guard to follow and the LB cuts inside. This is a very common stunt. I played left guard in High School in a Run & Shoot offense and it's not hard to recognize with some practice.

On this play, while he does recover enough to make contact, Stuckey gave chase too long and is off-balance so the LB blows through pretty fast. The problem here is primarily his feet. They should not be that close even if he is playing left tackle and chasing a DE outside. You can see the result of this mistake in the 2nd and 3rd screenshots above. Love him or hate him, I bet Jim Turner would have had this fixed by game 3 (if not in fall camp). He used to get upset about feet being an inch too close, much less the more than 6+ inches shown here.




Timing Issues - Part 2

(confession: I am stealing some of this from Toaggie08 who clarified a previous post I made about this play)

Both of these plays are both based on a common Spread route combination using a curl/rail or in/rail. Live, I thought this play looked very similar to the JFF to Swope pass vs. Bama in 2012. I figured Spav wised up and copied Kingsbury's playbook. As Corso would say, "Not so fast my friend."

The Game Plan - 2012:
  • Manziel had burned them running the ball so the safeties were shallow to stop the run.
  • Kliff had also used the short passing game quite a bit so this ensured they would be shallow (before the snap). (I noticed Kliff would often build in redundancy like this when he wanted the defense to react a certain way.)
  • The secondary was also playing man-to-man, which gave Swope an opportunity to get behind them.

The Game Plan - 2015:
  • Kyler had not run the ball one time.
  • Spav had not used the short passing game very much (almost not at all) so the safeties were deep.
  • The defense is in a zone scheme and since the safety is deep. Kirk is almost certainly going to run the "in" instead of the "rail". (More on that below.)

The Play Design - 2012:
Kliff used Evans on the curl route. Being Johnny's favorite target, he's a good decoy to distract the defense from the rail. Swope runs a short stop and then heads to the flats before running what essentially becomes a wheel route. By running across the safeties line of site, Kliff "froze the safety". He has deep responsibility but at first, it appears to be a short route (redundancy). This "pause" in Swope heading deep is also important as it helps time the route with Johnny's sprint out. Without the delay, Swope would have been much further downfield and it would have been a more difficult throw and allowed the backside safety to arrive in time to break up the pass.

The Play Design - 2015:
Kirk only jogs slightly to the right before heading downfield. Spav has used the basic routes but has also used a sprint out. Reynolds runs the curl. Note that he runs it more like a stop whereas Evans turned in. Reynolds does not cross the face of the safety either. A pause and post would have been genius here and could have ended up as a TD.

While Reynolds could be a good decoy if we threw to him enough, he's not enough to distract from Kirk, the first WR the safety will certainly watch if he heads deep. If you watch closely, the safety turns his attention from Kyler to Kirk as soon as Kirk passes Reynolds. Without a "pause" in the rail route, Kirk is 17 yards downfield when Kyler finishes the sprint out as opposed to the 10 yards Swope was downfield when Johnny finished the sprint out.

Finally, Kirk's route is also an "option" route. He was supposed to read the safety deep and run the "in" or read the safety biting on the curl and run the "rail". The QB then reads the WR and throws to him. Kirk slows down but does not run the "in" or commit to the "rail". As best the QB can tell, Kirk is headed deep. The QB should still check the safety and adjust the pass, but I want to focus on the play design not execution.

These option routes are common in the Spread and requires a lot of reps for the QB and WR to be on the same page. Leach would sometimes have the QBs and WRs work on one option route for an entire practice. He would throw different coverages at them to make sure they could execute it "in their sleep". With the complexity of our offense, there is no way our QB and WR got anywhere close to those reps in. Considering we used our backup QB, it's just a poor play call all around.

Both plays use a backside drag route but it ends up not being a factor in the outcome.

The Result - 2012:
The safety is 13 yards deep at the snap and runs horizontally towards Swope. When the ball is thrown, the safety is 11 yards deep and Swope ends up wide open behind the safety. The pass hits Swope 30 yards downfield and the backside safety makes the tackle.



The Result - 2015:
The safety is 14-15 yards deep when the ball is snapped and backpedals immediately at the snap. He is 26 yards deep when the ball is thrown. The safety is in position behind Kirk and closing on the ball. Because his body is open towards Kirk (great technique), the safety can break on even a hard thrown ball and might arrive at the same time or shortly thereafter. If there is no sprint out, the ball could have been thrown sooner and on a line and been completed. With the sprint out, it is a much longer throw than the one Johnny made in 2012. The result of the multifaceted failure is an INT.




Flooding the Zone vs. The Spread

In the play below, Spav rolls the pocket and is "flooding the zone" (as this concept is commonly called) with 2 intermediate routes and a short route. The backside WR runs a drag into the middle of the field. Bama only has to defend a space that is 20 yards wide and 10 yards deep. The D knows we are not going to throw to the backside WR as he is in the "no fly zone" (between the hashes).

This is a play Sherman would have run with Tanny but rolled him out to his right (naturally). Note that I am saying Sherman would run it. It's a NFL level play and requires that accuracy. Kyle may have it one day but does not now. Tanny did and it worked. The QB can throw either level (Caden Smith and RSJ) but as we found our, any bad miss is an INT. This was pick-6 #1. There's no reason to run this in college. They were giving us much easier throws.

So forget Sutherland getting blown up. (Note that there is a perfectly good pocket if we are not rolling Allen out.) The pick-6 is not on Sutherland, nor is it primarily on Allen. The pick-6 is the result of Spavital not knowing his personnel. He got too cute and the result was ugly.










Conclusion

The tendency when watching these plays live is to focus on failed player execution. And yes, on their INTs, Allen made a bad throw and Kyler made a bad throw, whereas Johnny made a perfect throw on his completed pass to Swope. However, Kliff used the game plan, play design, and personnel to setup Johnny for success. Not only did Spavital fail to setup Allen and Murray for success, he actually set them up for failure. Kliff is an offensive genius and had a masterful game plan. That will be hard to replicate but we can do much better than what we have seen in 2015.

aggieland09
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TheSwingingGate
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Excellent!!! Thanks for sharing OP!!!
Trojan Rabbit
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I absolutely love Kate Upton, but I completely disagree with Michelangelo. OP's analysis was badass, well-thought out, and unfortunately proves the ineptitude of Spavital. Over the last few weeks I have been questioning why we are wasting so much talent on offense and really did not know enough of the nuts and bolts of football strategy to understand whether it is our lack of execution or faulty schemes. This post gives me a great understanding now that the OC is really in over his head with this offense.

Oh wait....boobs!
stevnnw
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Good post, blue!
Picadillo
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Wabs
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My boy blue!
Ben Diamond
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Great post. Should be clear that Spav must go.
bluecouchstudios
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Great post. Should be clear that Spav must go.
He gone.
EllisCoAg
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this just verifies what most were thinking, Spav is not very good yet and we need a real game plan in the SEC.
javiswavi
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Wow! Nice analysis. Someone please forward to Sumlin.
Yell Practice
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Ben Diamond
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If Sumlin isn't looking at stuff like this he should be fired. That said I do wonder.
MD20/20
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Who are you?
What do you do for a living?
How long did you work on this?
Do you have Sumlin's cell number?
coupland boy
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Nice job OP
94chem
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These option routes are common in the Spread and requires a lot of reps for the QB and WR to be on the same page.

The NCAA-mandated 20 hours of contact time spells doom for NFL-minded coaches who want complicated offensive schemes. Sherman did brilliant stuff with the offense, but his downfall was player execution. He spent too much time teaching, and not enough time getting in reps.

The beauty of the spread is its simplicity, not its complexity. It gives the players a chance to have pro-level precision with amateur-level preparation time. An amateur does something until he gets it right; a pro does something until he can't get it wrong. The pros have a hard time evaluating mobile QB's and spread QB's because they are doing things that won't be available to them at the next level.

How often do you see players drop passes and run wrong routes for Kingsbury or Leach? Exactly. It's because the most important thing is reps, and those guys get it.
El Guero
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Really good analysis.
gigumaggie
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Great analysis. Already knew Spav sucked but really showed how weak our receivers routes are.....O-line is weak, bad OC, don't know who our QB is, recievers running weak routes......we got issues

At least we got the Chief
wisdom
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Some actual intelligent analysis by the zoo. I like it. Good work.
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If you highlight everything,...... you have highlighted nothing.
DM44
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Great analysis.


So, the dummy's version is?

Kingsbury is really smart and he can adjust plays to players strengths.
Spav is not such a coach and isn't getting much support from other offense staff.
Dave Christensen not the Type A coach we need for sloppy OL.







Gardening Ag
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This explains the unsettling feeling you get when you watch the game - there's no rhythm.

POST OF THE YEAR!
TMF
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Our new OC!
LihaiAg06
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This is best post I've read on here in a long time.
stetson
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Agree, bluecouch, Spavital is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I sat there stunned at the lack of execution of our offense after TWO WEEKS of preparation.
bluecouchstudios
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Who are you?
What do you do for a living?
How long did you work on this?
Do you have Sumlin's cell number?

Here is a long and less well thought out answer to get around to what I would tell Sumlin:

I'm an engineer, Class of '98, living in Houston. I work as an environmental consultant setting up software for oil & gas companies to calculate emissions, generate reports, and track compliance.

I'm a detail guy who loves football. My Dad was class of '68. The 1st A&M football game I ever attended was the 1986 Cotton Bowl. I was 9 and don't remember much except the stands shaking and people yelled a lot. I also remember my Dad thought some guy named Kevin Murray was a machine.

I played HS ball in the Dallas area in a Run & Shoot offense in the early 90's. I was the smallest left guard I the district but had excellent technique and could block guys much bigger than me. My OL coach was a former sip OL from the 60's and had multiple rings. One of the few Longhorns I have ever liked. He was a great man.

My son is a quarterback and has taken lessons from Jerrod Johnson, who blows Jake out of the water. Sumlin should hire him as a QB coach after he fires Jake. Great guy. Great attention to detail. I am no expert but I have learned enough to tell that Kyle had issues coming into the season that should have been resolved in the offseason. That's secondary to the play calling but it affect his accuracy at times. He also tends to step up before stepping up to throw and took a sack earlier this season solely because of that tendency.

When I watch our games, I see a lot of failed technique and a lot of missed details by the offense. I also see a failure to have a well thought out game strategy. The OL gets too high and their feet get too close together. We pretty much only throw intermediate passes outside the hashes. We run plays from 3-4 different offenses out of some hybrid formations. This doesn't work. The Spread requires simplicity and reps and reps and more reps.

I saw these issues coming into the season but thought maybe I was wrong after the 5-0 start. I knew we'd lose to Ole Miss after watching the Bama game. We cannot beat relatively equal talent with our offensive coaches (pun intended). Aside from maybe the WR coach, Moorehead, we need to clean house.

Here is a good example of how bad our OC is. Kyler could execute the Spread in his sleep at Allen High School. He ran it for 4 years. (Per JJ, the Varsity coach saw his talent and coached the 9th grade team to get him ready to play in HS). Forget the talent level difference between HS and college for a minute. We are talking about basic execution of the offense. I'll give you a very specific example. This is the state championship game his junior year. He looks off the safety before throwing a 45-yard rocket to the backside seam route.



Some seem to think Kyler arrived at A&M and forgot how to play QB. Yet, he doesn't know how to look off a safety now? The median height of his OL here was 6'3" so he can find a WR between our OL. The Allen High School OC understood something that Spavital does not. Even at the college level, simplicity is better. Choose an offense and execute it exceptionally. The Spread is about getting the ball to your playmakers in space so they can make plays. Spav seems to think they need more help than they do.

If I had followed Kyle in High School, I'm sure I could create a similar breakdown. A QB cannot execute if he has to evaluate something he hasn't seen in practice over and over. Even the GOAT would have struggled in this offense. I am sure Spav a great guy. I do think he has a great mind for the passing game and some innovative ideas about WR routes. But the level of complexity is more appropriate for a NFL offense than a college offense. He seems to get lost in the X's and O's rather as opposed to staying in tune with the rhythm and emotion of the game.

Last thing, Sumlin clearly has not been watching this or he would have forced changes by now. He might see it now but he's been inattentive at best. Even worse, he repeated a mistake he made with the DC. That ended up well but he should have learned his lesson. He's great at many things but he is a CEO head coach who has made critical personnel mistakes with his executives (coordinators) and his troops (RBs, LBs, OL). Sherman was a much better talent evaluator and I honestly think he worked harder at it.

I know Sumlin has the "cool" effect and is likable, but we didn't drop 1/2 billion into our facilities and we don't pay him top dollar to finish 4th. He needs to do continuous performance reviews of his personnel and operations (like any CEO). He cannot do that for the OC without paying attention to game planning, QB mechanics, and offensive strategy. Why does it take a complete collapse for him to make adjustments?

That's why I actually think we will see Spurrier come in as a consultant at a minimum. The guy wants to work but not as a HC and his friend (they are not just colleagues) could clearly use his wisdom.
bluecouchstudios
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One last thought: where would Sumlin be right now if Spav is the OC in 2012 and Showers is the starter?

I'm not comparing Showers and Manziel to Allen and Kyler but I could see them making that mistake. Or what if Rossley had not bet his job on the kid to get Sherman to take him?

Where would Sumlin be without JFF and Kliff? Or Sherman's well coached OL recruits?
Gardening Ag
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I'm speechless at the incompetence you've just uncovered.
jpc08
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Great analysis. The comparison to 2012 shows the sloppiness in our WR, OL, and QB play. These are the glaring issues that need to be addressed by the coaching staff.
suburban cowboy
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The Collective
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POTY on the zoo.
Bottlehead90
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JFF and kk tended to throw the receiver open and get yac.
I don't see that with this offense.

Good analysis. Thanks
Knife_Party
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Where would Sumlin be without JFF and Kliff? Or Sherman's well coached OL recruits?



Offensive coordinator at Alabama under Nick Saban.
Gardening Ag
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This is the kind of analysis one should expect from TexAgs radio.

Instead we get: "Who do you think should start at QB this week?"
MSFC Aggie
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How Sumlin is allowing this is the most concerning. KK's presence in 2012 is becoming more and more obvious.
padreislandagfan
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Great breakdown.
Thanks.
Please send to Spav. ASAP
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