Haven't seen this discussed yet. Has anyone noticed how poorly coached they seem to be? Horrible cuts, slow route development and no drive to the ball.

I see you read the chronicle article

Grab some munchies and settle down, OP.

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Haven't seen this discussed yet. Has anyone noticed how poorly coached they seem to be? Horrible cuts, slow route development and no drive to the ball.

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Mostly that is RSJ doing that, which he also did last year as I recall??

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Haven't seen this discussed yet. Has anyone noticed how poorly coached they seem to be? Horrible cuts, slow route development and no drive to the ball.

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Ricky has been a monster for us, but I don't think I've seen him run full speed all year. Maybe it's just his stride is so long, but it looks like he just kind of lopes around.

Speedy doesn't get separation. He probably has the best hands on the team.

Reynolds and Kirk are what the rest should strive to be.

Ratley hasn't impressed me all year. That pick last night was really his fault, he stopped and waited for the ball instead of running toward it. I just don't trust him when it's thrown his way. He is younger though.

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slow route development

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This part isn't on the WR coach, that would be play calling.

I like Vince though.

I have no issue with Moorehead. Or more head.

Good with both.

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Haven't seen this discussed yet. Has anyone noticed how poorly coached they seem to be? Horrible cuts, slow route development and no drive to the ball.

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It's the scheme, or lack thereof, dammit! It would be great for the offense to have timing, and be able to consistently deliver the ball to a WR that is actually running.

Nobody on this board knows anything about coaching WRs. That is fact.

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Nobody on this board knows anything about coaching WRs. That is fact.

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This

Catch the ball, run fast, hold on to the ball.

Hire me.

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Nobody on this board knows anything about coaching WRs. That is fact.

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I can tell you this. This mess is not about the WRs.

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Nobody on this board knows anything about coaching WRs. That is fact.

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Oh, I don't know all about that... What I DO know when I see it, is an Offense WITHOUT a scheme. A "draw crap up in the dirt" offense is NOT an offense.

I also know how to coach WRs how to read and stem your routes against a Cover 2 or Cover 4 coverage, which is what Ole Miss was in every time we went 2x2. Or how to teach a WR to run AWAY from the guy covering you out of your stem if you get man coverage. As opposed to just turning and standing there and letting yourself be covered down.

I remember watching the Va. Tech WRs when Moosehead was the WR coach in Blacksburg. They ran across the middle and ran slants. I wonder if he ever suggested to Spav to implement them in his offensive plays or if he just didn't give a f/ck. Hmmm...

Then again, the routes the Ags are running right now suck, so I guess it really doesn't matter. Oh well.

That may be true, but it's not rocket science to know when they run the wrong routes or don't get separation like they are capable of doing. Too talented to settle for this!!

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Nobody on this board knows anything about coaching WRs. That is fact.

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This statement is false. I do.

Do you have a specific question?

What are your credentials?

Scratch that. Just a simple yes or no.

Have you ever made a living coaching WRs?

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What are your credentials?

Scratch that. Just a simple yes or no.

Have you ever made a living coaching WRs?

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Yep.

Fantastic.

I think we would all like to hear your opinion.

Ok.

I find our WR's inability to line up and simply win one on one match ups with DB troubling. When other schools get one on one coverage on their stud receivers (i.e. Treadwell, Ridley, Wilson) they have ways of exploiting that. We do not.

I'm not sure that's because we don't have any receivers that can beat man coverage, or if it's the types of routes (and possibly the manner in which we run them) that we run that is the problem. We have some receivers open sometimes, but we never beat anyone over the top or on a back shoulder throw, which is telling.

I'm of the opinion that we don't spend near the amount of time or effort running a simple one on one fade route. We did with Evans, but just don't seem to do it with these guys.

I don't know if it's all on Moorehead or not. Some coordinators have a heavy hand in how WRs run routes and what routes they want, and also whether to convert routes or not according to coverage/technique. I don't see us converting any routes AT ALL (which means if a DB is sitting on the curl, you convert to a go or out, etc.). I don't see any of that, or any ability to just run a route against a guy. It all just looks like they run to their predetermined spot and stop.

I personally think much of that is on Spav. I can't imagine Moorehead not being a better technician than what his guys are showing. But I just don't know that for sure. I didn't think Beatty taught much technique either, but just had a couple of guys in Evans and Swope that could just get open.

I'd like to see us run routes to beat coverages. We used to. Remember the route Kennedy caught against Bama for the win? That's called a SMASH route. We ran it a lot when Johnny was here. It's great vs. cover 2 or man. I haven't seen it once this year. Not once. I just don't understand why we do a lot of what we do route-wise, and I don't understand why we are so inept vs. man if these guys are all as great as people think they are.

Anyway, that's longer than I intended, but just a few of my thoughts.

I appreciate your insight. It's hard for me to imagine that a guy that played with Manning is ignorant of the intricacies of route running. Now what he's being allowed to teach...

Earlier in the year, I was actually thinking our receivers were running really good routes....of course, now, it doesn't seem like they get open very much....

It seems like they started doubling Kirk and Reynolds hasn't been getting very open....I'm guessing RSJ is getting more targets because he is getting their 3rd best cover guy. He is showing more toughness. Last night I saw him almost break a couple of tackles.

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Or how to teach a WR to run AWAY from the guy covering you out of your stem if you get man coverage. As opposed to just turning and standing there and letting yourself be covered down.

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This is what Spav calls a route.

Run. Turn. Stand in one place and make yourself useless.

Thanks for the good insight. Personally, I think there is little chance that Moorehead is teaching players to run to a spot and stop without that coming down from Spav.

It's beyond ridiculous that Reynolds and Kirk are not running a simple post or fade.

Nothing pisses me off more than not seeing WRs hit on the move. Preferrable moving north and south a few times a game. It takes RSJ too long to get that big body moving after a stop route. Kirk would have the best chance to do something from a stop route.

Sick of seeing Spav and his trips to the right with the defense using the sideline to kill the play.

Weird that someone says that the issue ISNT about the WRs.

Because EVERY SINGLE TIME I see the ball thrown, NO ONE IS OPEN.

And that's another thing - who cares if you've "made a living teaching WRs"?

It's not hard to see that they're NOT GETTING IT DONE. You don't have to be an oncologist to know that you'd better not keep smoking if you've GOT LUNG CANCER.

I love people on this Board that think nobody knows anything about football and our coaches are always right.

Maybe the WRs are being told they need to finish routed immobile because the QB was having a hard time placing balls for receivers in stride.

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Weird that someone says that the issue ISNT about the WRs.

Because EVERY SINGLE TIME I see the ball thrown, NO ONE IS OPEN.

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Yeah, we have how many receivers on is team? None of them are good enough to get open? Come on Ian, it doesn't take a genius to see we have loads of talent at that position.

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I don't know if it's all on Moorehead or not. Some coordinators have a heavy hand in how WRs run routes and what routes they want, and also whether to convert routes or not according to coverage/technique. I don't see us converting any routes AT ALL (which means if a DB is sitting on the curl, you convert to a go or out, etc.). I don't see any of that, or any ability to just run a route against a guy. It all just looks like they run to their predetermined spot and stop.

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Good point, but remember conversion routes take two people. The QB and receiver must be reading the coverage the same. Kenny Hill caught a lot of grief last year for reading coverages and throwing to the proper spots while receivers were blowing the reads. Neither Allen nor Murray, nor Hubenak, has demonstrated sufficient reading skills to suggest receivers should go anywhere but where the play is drawn. They are missing open guys or are late getting the ball to them as it is.

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I don't know if it's all on Moorehead or not. Some coordinators have a heavy hand in how WRs run routes and what routes they want, and also whether to convert routes or not according to coverage/technique. I don't see us converting any routes AT ALL (which means if a DB is sitting on the curl, you convert to a go or out, etc.). I don't see any of that, or any ability to just run a route against a guy. It all just looks like they run to their predetermined spot and stop.

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Good point, but remember conversion routes take two people. The QB and receiver must be reading the coverage the same. Kenny Hill caught a lot of grief last year for reading coverages and throwing to the proper spots while receivers were blowing the reads. Neither Allen nor Murray, nor Hubenak, has demonstrated sufficient reading skills to suggest receivers should go anywhere but where the play is drawn. They are missing open guys or are late getting the ball to them as it is.

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One of my first high schools I coached at we went down and worked with the Jr. High staffs and we were converting routes with the 7th and 8th graders with success.

By the time they got to Varsity it was second nature.

It's not rocket science. It just takes a coordinator who believes that it is critical to success in the passing game. I believe it is. Just as being able to run a fade route and complete it, even if the DB knows it's coming. These are basic principles that we taught at every level from Jr. High to Division 1-AA, and I believe it holds true at FBS and pro. We don't have the ability to just beat people with the fade to get them off us, and if you can't do that, you rarely have success.

Reign,

That was my point. How many 5* receivers does Spav need? Why can't they get open? There's no denying they're covered like paste.

It's teaching, bro. Coaching. Etc.

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It's not rocket science.

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No, it's not rocket science and this is not junior high. Unsure at what other level you coached, but reading top college defenses is difficult. It requires extensive work and exceptional insight to consistently get a quarterback and his many receivers on the same page when it comes to altering routes, particularly once a play has begun. Even among the pros, the really good are clearly distinguishable from the merely good. Time after time in A&M's past two games that ability was demonstrably absent.