Because you would end up with a terrible uconn or 6 win Wisconsin some years you doofus.
Why can't we have playoff births tied to conference championships?
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Last: 11 yr ago by AgsMyDude
Better to have a "terrible UConn" than to let a human element do the picking.
quote:Who are they going to play?? Themselves?? Having it on campus only solves half of the issue. Somebody still has to travel.quote:Again, you can put the first round, or however many rounds you want to, on campus. It is every college sport's reaction to concerns about attendance at a neutral site and I don't know why it couldn't be done here- and it gives a real incentive for teams to not just make the playoff, but have a top seed.quote:Without getting rid of several bowl games, that is what would happen with an 8 team playoff. For the championship teams, that's adding three more games AFTER the CCG. Football isn't like basketball where a team can play two games in two days.quote:
That was kind of my point. Corporations buy many of the tickets now, but you still have stadiums that are only half or three-quarters full. Say Bama has to play Boise State in a quarter final. Who really wouldwant to take time off to attend that game??
Forgive my ignorance, but don't people pay to go to games week to week already? Except in a playoff, it means more. So why again would attendence be a problem?
This assumes they are smart and either have 1st rd games at the higher seed's home stadium, or do some sort of regional matchups. I understand fan bases from Cali wouldn't travel to FL or NYC 3 weeks in a row. I don't think anyone suggests setting it up that way.
In just a few months, for example, our baseball board will strap itself in on the 'will we be a national seed and play at home?' roller coaster. It actually makes for a more interesting regular season.
quote:The NFL is much more popular than CFB.
College football has always been "subjective" when it comes to selecting a champion, and it has always been the toughest sport to make it to the championship because 1 loss and you could very likely be out of the race which adds so much passion to every game. it is different than all other sports because of this.
Maybe that's why we like it so much more than every other sport out there?
Its hard to get passionate about the nfl games when your team can lose 3, 4, 5, 6, heck even maybe 9 or 10 games in the case of the NFC south this year, and still make the playoffs
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Better to have a "terrible UConn" than to let a human element do the picking.
Yea, because a 6 win Wisconsin or 7 win UConn would be an improvement over the current top 4 who also happen to all be conference champs.
... The zoo has completely lost touch with reality.
quote:quote:The NFL is much more popular than CFB.
College football has always been "subjective" when it comes to selecting a champion, and it has always been the toughest sport to make it to the championship because 1 loss and you could very likely be out of the race which adds so much passion to every game. it is different than all other sports because of this.
Maybe that's why we like it so much more than every other sport out there?
Its hard to get passionate about the nfl games when your team can lose 3, 4, 5, 6, heck even maybe 9 or 10 games in the case of the NFC south this year, and still make the playoffs
Being popular doesn't mean they get it right.
quote:When you have 66 teams in a playoff system you can give guaranteed spots ans still have room for the deserving. With a 4, 6, or 8 team playoff you have to be more discerning as to who gets in. Baylor and TCU were 11-1, but who did they play, and who did they lose to? TCU's loss was to Baylor in a game where every Baylor down field pass was awarded a pass-interference call and TCU receivers were mugged at will. TCU should have won by two touchdowns and been undefeated. If they had they would have gotten in.
Which of the other sports doesn't auto-bid conf champs?
Give the spots to the best teams without regard to what conference they come out of; reward excellence, not mediocrity.
Better for a "bad UConn" or "6-6 Wisconsin" to get in than the conference champ of a good, but competitive conference to get left out.
Those are your choices....
Those are your choices....
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Better for a "bad UConn" or "6-6 Wisconsin" to get in than the conference champ of a good, but competitive conference to get left out.
Those are your choices....
The choice was Baylor's and tcu's to play a weak non conference lineup while also not having a CCG... Stop acting like they are innocent victims that had no control over their own situation.
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We should just let people subjectively decide who is the champion every year. Even better we should just let people decide in a voting system who they think is the best before Bowl games even happen! No objectivity, no actual real results, just who looks great on paper...
Having the requirements to win your conference should just be it. If you can't even win your conference why do you think you get a shot to win the National Championship? All you had to do was be better than the one team that actually won the conference and your in.
Why is everyone in favor of a popularity contest as a championship without giving the teams a chance to prove it on the field?
2012 is a good example, Should an undefeated notre dame be left out of the championship game? We all know the result of it, but people saying a 3-loss shouldn't go, when we have examples of undefeated teams should have been left out. We damn near had that against FSU this year.... how do you determine the best team if you are willing to accept that an undefeated team from a P5 could be left out?
Your little tantrum would be relevant to the argument if the top 4 teams weren't actually deciding it on the field.
quote:That's a tad narrow, don't you think??
Having the requirements to win your conference should just be it. If you can't even win your conference why do you think you get a shot to win the National Championship? All you had to do was be better than the one team that actually won the conference and your in.
quote:The home team's fans will fill up the stadium like they do in the regular season and in the post-season of other professional and college sports, they'll fly in another team, and some of their fans that are willing to travel will fill out the rest of the stadium.quote:Who are they going to play?? Themselves?? Having it on campus only solves half of the issue. Somebody still has to travel.quote:Again, you can put the first round, or however many rounds you want to, on campus. It is every college sport's reaction to concerns about attendance at a neutral site and I don't know why it couldn't be done here- and it gives a real incentive for teams to not just make the playoff, but have a top seed.quote:quote:
In just a few months, for example, our baseball board will strap itself in on the 'will we be a national seed and play at home?' roller coaster. It actually makes for a more interesting regular season.
Was that a serious question?
10 bucks says the posters crying for an auto bid now were the same ones crying about A&M getting screwed by the auto bid bcs bowl system in 2012 when undeserving NIU and 6 win Wisconsin were in bcs bowl games.
quote:The issue is how they got there. Yes, the top 4 are deciding it on the field. Who are the top 4 wasn't decided on the field.quote:
Your little tantrum would be relevant to the argument if the top 4 teams weren't actually deciding it on the field.
Yes, there are good reasons why if we're going to pick the 4 'best' teams, we should leave out Baylor and TCU, but its still subjective as its still decision made by a group of people sitting in a hotel room.
(And yes, it worked out that all four are conference champions this time around- but history shows that's not always guaranteed)
quote:No.
10 bucks says the posters crying for an auto bid now were the same ones crying about A&M getting screwed by the auto bid bcs bowl system in 2012 when undeserving NIU and 6 win Wisconsin were in bcs bowl games.
I think its more likely the people that were yelling about A&M not getting in are the ones that don't want auto-bids.
Wanting an at-large based playoff is SEC and Texas A&M protectionism, just as wanting an 8-4 Wisconsin team left out was Texas A&M protectionism back then.
And subjective is a bad thing? I'll take it over computer rankings and the crap of the bcs era.
Its college football, not a science... Its never going to be perfect, and I stand by the idea that the committee is the right way to do things... Auto bid is garbage and should never be considered again.
This year will have more good matchings in bowl games than any before it... And that's because the subjective committee sat down and put together a good slate... Something the bcs system could not do through most of its history.
Its college football, not a science... Its never going to be perfect, and I stand by the idea that the committee is the right way to do things... Auto bid is garbage and should never be considered again.
This year will have more good matchings in bowl games than any before it... And that's because the subjective committee sat down and put together a good slate... Something the bcs system could not do through most of its history.
All these morons will be screaming when A&M upsets a higher ranked Georgia or Florida some day and no SEC team gets in.
Anyone that thinks A&M will get treated right by a committee is smoking crack. We're on the losing side of the "sexy name" game.
Anyone that thinks A&M will get treated right by a committee is smoking crack. We're on the losing side of the "sexy name" game.
quote:quote:No.
10 bucks says the posters crying for an auto bid now were the same ones crying about A&M getting screwed by the auto bid bcs bowl system in 2012 when undeserving NIU and 6 win Wisconsin were in bcs bowl games.
I think its more likely the people that were yelling about A&M not getting in are the ones that don't want auto-bids.
Wanting an at-large based playoff is SEC and Texas A&M protectionism, just as wanting an 8-4 Wisconsin team left out was Texas A&M protectionism back then.
It has nothing to do with A&M for me, I'm just tired of bull**** teams making it in because they won a crappy conference in a down year... I'm tired of bcs bowls that aren't worth watching because NIU is playing a then mediocre Florida state.
Autobid has some terrible drawbacks... If you can't admit that then I might as well carry on this discussion with the wall in my office.
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All these morons will be screaming when A&M upsets a higher ranked Georgia or Florida some day and no SEC team gets in.
Anyone that thinks A&M will get treated right by a committee is smoking crack. We're on the losing side of the "sexy name" game.
Ita not a sexy name game, its a neither team in the big 12 played a decent non conf game despite being told they should. They both got what they deserve.
If A&M deserves a shot in the top 4 (not some two loss team like Mizzou would have been this year) then we get in...
Subjectivity sucks.
quote:Popular /= Passionate. Also most people either didn't go to college or to one that didn't have a real football program.
The NFL is much more popular than CFB.
quote:My thoughts on subjectivity are pretty clear if you've read the thread- I'm principally against it, I recognize some of the realistic need for it, but I'd at least like to push out subjectivity trying to argue between the power conferences.
And subjective is a bad thing? I'll take it over computer rankings and the crap of the bcs era.
Its college football, not a science... Its never going to be perfect, and I stand by the idea that the committee is the right way to do things... Auto bid is garbage and should never be considered again.
This year will have more good matchings in bowl games than any before it... And that's because the subjective committee sat down and put together a good slate... Something the bcs system could not do through most of its history.
No one is pushing for the BCS again. The great part of a playoff bracket is it can filter teams out, and you either end up with monster match-ups or you end up with the next Cinderella story.
Tying it to auto-bids, well, maybe you don't get to see the Georgia Bulldogs or Florida Gators in a playoff game as may have happened in 2012 if they needed to win the SEC, but you still get Alabama-Georgia playing a de facto first round playoff game in Atlanta, and you still get Florida-Georgia in Jacksonville for rights to that first round game in Atlanta. There are your great match-ups that you seem concerned about losing. They're still there, except now they mean everything.
I like the idea of auto-bids, and yeah, I realize the flaws- I've said that several times- so you don't need to go talk to the wall.
quote:I'm not sure its a sexy name game thing either, but let's say TCU or Baylor played a decent OOC game. (you arguably don't have to pretend with TCU- they played Minnesota- arguably the best OOC game scheduled by any of OSU, BU, or TCU)...quote:
All these morons will be screaming when A&M upsets a higher ranked Georgia or Florida some day and no SEC team gets in.
Anyone that thinks A&M will get treated right by a committee is smoking crack. We're on the losing side of the "sexy name" game.
Ita not a sexy name game, its a neither team in the big 12 played a decent non conf game despite being told they should. They both got what they deserve.
If A&M deserves a shot in the top 4 (not some two loss team like Mizzou would have been this year) then we get in...
But just assume that the OOC concern isn't there, who do you send to the playoff?
Because it should be about getting the best teams. Not the best team in a shidty conference. Dumb question.
quote:What does this even mean?quote:quote:The NFL is much more popular than CFB.
College football has always been "subjective" when it comes to selecting a champion, and it has always been the toughest sport to make it to the championship because 1 loss and you could very likely be out of the race which adds so much passion to every game. it is different than all other sports because of this.
Maybe that's why we like it so much more than every other sport out there?
Its hard to get passionate about the nfl games when your team can lose 3, 4, 5, 6, heck even maybe 9 or 10 games in the case of the NFC south this year, and still make the playoffs
Being popular doesn't mean they get it right.
Popularity doesn't mean its a good system, the NFL has its flaws... And its also a business designed to make money more than anything else. Teams are based in large markets to sell tickets and many still struggle to do that with the watered down importance of the regular season...
Furthermore the NFC south this year is a great example of why auto bid system is crap... Also the wildcard system could be better too.. I'm not the only one that says this, plenty of NFL fans/experts agree.
As for tcu/baylor discussion... All other conference champions are likely going to have a CCG that features a quality opponent. This year OSU blanked a quality Wisconsin... The same weekend TCU was playing 2? win ISU. With that in mind, they need a non conf game with an opponent of the similar or greater quality.
Furthermore the NFC south this year is a great example of why auto bid system is crap... Also the wildcard system could be better too.. I'm not the only one that says this, plenty of NFL fans/experts agree.
As for tcu/baylor discussion... All other conference champions are likely going to have a CCG that features a quality opponent. This year OSU blanked a quality Wisconsin... The same weekend TCU was playing 2? win ISU. With that in mind, they need a non conf game with an opponent of the similar or greater quality.
quote:I guess the guy thinks the team that wins the Super Bowl may not deserve the trophy. This whole thing about "you have to win every game", is BS. I prefer the NFL model of play your best at the end of the season and you can win it all.quote:What does this even mean?quote:quote:The NFL is much more popular than CFB.
College football has always been "subjective" when it comes to selecting a champion, and it has always been the toughest sport to make it to the championship because 1 loss and you could very likely be out of the race which adds so much passion to every game. it is different than all other sports because of this.
Maybe that's why we like it so much more than every other sport out there?
Its hard to get passionate about the nfl games when your team can lose 3, 4, 5, 6, heck even maybe 9 or 10 games in the case of the NFC south this year, and still make the playoffs
Being popular doesn't mean they get it right.
Kinda sucks when you have lost two games to two great teams and your out. Meanwhile, some half-ass team loses one game to a .500 team but their in. Sucks more that your team has two early loses and the rest of your season is only for bragging rights.
OP's idea furthers the pussification of America. Congratulations on playing in a ****ty conference here's your completion ribbon!
Because not every conference has equal quality teams.
Example...... There are probably 6 teams in the SEC that would beat all teams in the BDF, ACC, and PAC.
Example...... There are probably 6 teams in the SEC that would beat all teams in the BDF, ACC, and PAC.
The SEC should have its own playoffs. The rest of the country does not matter when you are looking at the best teams. Sure you could have an Ohio State upset an Alabama, but nobody who speaks truthfully thinks they have a better team or play in a tougher conference.
The SEC is already the centerpoint of college football and it isn't changing anytime soon. Seed the top 8 teams at the end of the year and have home field advantage for the top 4. Maybe invite one or two outside teams that the SEC office thinks can compete just to reinforce to the college football world that they can't win several SEC games in a row. The winner of that will hands down be the best team in America and it will not be close.
The SEC is already the centerpoint of college football and it isn't changing anytime soon. Seed the top 8 teams at the end of the year and have home field advantage for the top 4. Maybe invite one or two outside teams that the SEC office thinks can compete just to reinforce to the college football world that they can't win several SEC games in a row. The winner of that will hands down be the best team in America and it will not be close.
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