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If Sam was hetero he would not have been drafted.

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Riiiight. I don't think he is a world-beater or anything, but comments like these sound like nothing more than homophobic drivel.

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I honestly doubt that the GM's and coaches had homosexuality high on their list of pros for his evaluation.

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Way to keep the negative Aggie stereotypes alive, guys. Really well done.

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I was in elementary school the last time the Cowboys won a super bowl.

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Better than being a team that's never won it. For someone to lump the Cowboys in a group with the Browns when talking about futility is beyond laughable. It'd be like putting the Yankees in a group with the Astros or Rangers.

back to the topic, here is a link to the game recap

It looks like Johnny Football and Hoyer had about the same stats excluding Hoyer's turnovers.

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If Sam was hetero he would not have been drafted.

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Riiiight. I don't think he is a world-beater or anything, but comments like these sound like nothing more than homophobic drivel.

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I don't think that's necessarily homophobic. Sam was drafted toward the end, which suggests he wasn't an especially high priority for any team. So the scales could likely have been tipped relatively easily. And it seems perfectly reasonable to think that GMs and suits at the NFL were worried about how things would look if the first openly-gay player (who was conceivably draftable) were not drafted. Avoiding the appearance of homophobia could be worth spending a late-round pick on a so-so player.

On the other hand, one could make an equally-convincing case that the DPotY in the SEC wouldn't have fallen as far as he did if he were straight.

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i want to see a week's worth of complaining about how classless that headbutt by Peyton is.


from a Broncos fan

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Peyton has built a more than solid reputation in the nfl and it began when manziel was around 4 or 5 years old. He's built up enough goodwill to do that. Manziel, he's not there.

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four horsemen of death: browns, raiders, bills and texans

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If Sam was hetero he would not have been drafted.

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Riiiight. I don't think he is a world-beater or anything, but comments like these sound like nothing more than homophobic drivel.

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I don't think that's necessarily homophobic. Sam was drafted toward the end, which suggests he wasn't an especially high priority for any team. So the scales could likely have been tipped relatively easily. And it seems perfectly reasonable to think that GMs and suits at the NFL were worried about how things would look if the first openly-gay player (who was conceivably draftable) were not drafted. Avoiding the appearance of homophobia could be worth spending a late-round pick on a so-so player.

On the other hand, one could make an equally-convincing case that the DPotY in the SEC wouldn't have fallen as far as he did if he were straight.

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Analysts were saying he would be a later-round draft before he came out, so your opinion is patently unsubstantiated. NFL organizations aren't looking to waste draft picks, even in later rounds.

The reason Michael Sam came out was to send a message to 1) struggling homosexuals in sports and schools everywhere that it's okay to be yourself and 2) heterosexuals in these areas that gay people play the game with just as much hard work and determination as they do and that it's okay for them to be a part of the team.

You may not realize this but gay people tend to be discriminated against in schools and in sports. It's hard for some people to see past the discrimination and sometimes good athletes are pushed out of the game or worse and for no reason other than bigotry and hatred.

Sports were created to bring people together. How about you let Sam have his shot without bringing your ignorant comments to every thread even slightly related to him.

Saying that he was drafted partly because he is gay isn't being negative about his sexuality. Its just pointing out that there was a ton of publicity and media surrounding him after he came out, and the rams could have taken that into consideration. I'm not saying he isn't good enough. He seems to be having a pretty solid preseason, but don't let being against discrimination blind you from the fact that there was a huge amount of media and such surrounding Michael Sam and the rams after they drafted him. That's probably what they wanted.

Not one word on SC about Peyton's unsportsman penalty.

Back to the Sam orientation helping / hurting his draft status

he was defensive player of the year in the SEC & an all American
So even if he is a player who does not have the prototypical size to play in the NFL

He proved he can play and excel at the highest level in College Ball
So either the SEC is not that good or being gay hurt his draft status
I would guess never has an SEC defensive player of the year
gone worse than the 4th round before Sam

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Sorry AggieBill but homosexuality is no excuse for fame. And i don't like the fact that that is how he is using it.

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Looks like we might have to agree to disagree on this one. You see it as using homosexuality for fame. Rather, I see it as him using his position to encourage other athletes in his position to ignore ignorance and empower them to be true to themselves --- whatever that is.

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Saying that he was drafted partly because he is gay isn't being negative about his sexuality. Its just pointing out that there was a ton of publicity and media surrounding him after he came out, and the rams could have taken that into consideration. I'm not saying he isn't good enough. He seems to be having a pretty solid preseason, but don't let being against discrimination blind you from the fact that there was a huge amount of media and such surrounding Michael Sam and the rams after they drafted him. That's probably what they wanted.

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I see what you are saying, but I am struggling to agree with you that his sexual orientation was a key consideration in his being drafted. Its not like the rams alone would have been scrutinized for not picking him, and jeff fisher even said that there wasnt that much of an increased media presence.


I mean what NFL team really wants a lot of media attention during camp? Most seem to abhor the media presence already. I guess besides the cowtoys and the jets

Put a dummy in for that Right Offensive tackle - hurry !

The whole Sam situation is confusing to me. The SEC defensive player of the year should be drafted much earlier than the 7th round. If he was good enough to be that in a conference known for NFL good defenders how was he only drafted in the 7th round? All I can guess is that teams didn't want to draft a homosexual.

Cracks me up when all the morons who constantly complain "all these gays are always bringing up their orientation, like any of us care!! Keep it to yourself ***got!" ..are always the first people to rush to bring up their orientation any time that person is mentioned.

Here's an example:
"Michael Sam with a sack"

"He wouldn't even be in the nfl if he didn't suck dick.. Wish he would stop suffocating us with his sexual orientation"

If the first thing you think of when you see an openly gay person, is them sucking dick, you should be more concerned with yourself than that person.

Since when do we have to start agreeing with lifestyle choices we don't think are right?

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back to the topic, here is a link to the game recap

It looks like Johnny Football and Hoyer had about the same stats excluding Hoyer's turnovers.

boxscore

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Manziel had some decent plays called back due to penalty (or prevented by a penalty called on the defense). To be fair I didn't watch any of Hoyer's drives so he could have had the same.

JFF needs to come off the bench for awhile.

He's immature and needs to learn the O.

Besides that, Cleveland sucks. Doesn't matter who starts for them, they gave up 33 to the Rams who suck without Bradford.

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Cracks me up when all the morons who constantly complain "all these gays are always bringing up their orientation, like any of us care!! Keep it to yourself ***got!" ..are always the first people to rush to bring up their orientation any time that person is mentioned.

Here's an example:
"Michael Sam with a sack"

"He wouldn't even be in the nfl if he didn't suck dick.. Wish he would stop suffocating us with his sexual orientation"

If the first thing you think of when you see an openly gay person, is them sucking dick, you should be more concerned with yourself than that person.

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This.