WPA, Texas voted to remain in the Big 12 at the referenced BOR meeting and left it to Texas A&M to make a move. That should tell you a lot. Of course we blinked. The same type of legislative pressure thwarted a move by A&M and Texas to the SEC in the 90's.

http://kansasstate.scout.com/2/1086147.html

Depressing synopsis...unless the fabled Texas market is so lucrative that the SEC cannot do with out it, they may look elsewhere when the time comes...

If you read Billy' article and then one from Websider, you see a common theme: this will not happen immediately.

I initially said that nothing in the article is new news, and it really isn't. However, look at what is on the SEC boards! There is 100% consensus that we are the next team in the SEC. The number two team is the one in question. Will it be Clemson? FSU? VT? There is no mention of OU! Interesting.

I think at this point we know that we will be in the SEC soon. Timing is the debate now. Will it be before the season starts? Or as late as June '12?



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If you believe that message boards are a useful barometer of what will or will not happen, God have pity on your soul...

If that is the case, why do you bother reading or posting anything on texags?

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So he can ***** about people doing the same. Every messageboard needs a pompous know-it-all.

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Seems that there is an obvious difference between reading a message board and citing a message board ("there is a 100% consensus!!) as proof of a proposition. Hmmm, maybe nothing is obvious to the clueless....

Right......whatever.

Message boards are for entertainment.

Posts are anonymous, and thus completely unaccountable.

Any information you glean from them should be taken with a grain of salt.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

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Hey, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

I do hope that this comes about as you guys would be one hell of an addition to the SEC! But as to the poster who was saying A&M and Clemson as the additions, well Clemsux has zero chance. They will stay in the ACC as USC,UGA don't want them in,UGA does not want GaTech and UK and UF don't want FSU or Louisville in so they will all work together to keep them out. Now VaTech would be the biggest possibility from the ACC.

We have long memories of the agreement between USC and Clemsux to leave the ACC together. We announced that we were and they left us hanging so there is no chance of us helping them get in.Also none of the schools above want to lessen the recruiting advantage that being in the SEC gives them over their instate rivals in the ACC or Big East.


Best of luck this football season to the Aggies!


Any day above ground is a good one!

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^^This makes a lot of sense^^

The SEC already has a footprint in South Carolina, and SC is already a small state. If Clemson were winning 10 games every year, it might make sense.

VT makes a lot more sense b/c it adds TVs to the footprint and has been better than Clemson the last 15 years, and are likely to be better going forward.

When I read the article that said Clemson, I was surprised. I figured VT had told the SEC no, which makes no sense. But, often emotions and cowardice weigh more in these decisions then reason.

FWIW...the last time there were any offers sent out to join the conference, Clemps-son gave no reply, and VT declined. I think FSU had some interest, but there were no issues w/UF. Clemps-son & FSU are the probable favorites in the east with longshot for UNC.

A friend working for the program at UNC says there is no way they SECede. Basketball rules there, and they want to be in the ACC.

kind of the same things I had heard bout UNC...hence the longshot remark.

McBuck:
I can say with pretty strong convictions that the ones I list above will NOT get an invite as the four SEC schools will block them!

Here is why:
When the SEC expanded in 1992 FSU and Miami were also offered membership. I cannot remember Miami's reasons for turning the offer down but FSU's Board and alumni advisors stated that the SEC was too tough and they wanted to join a conference with an easier path to a conference and national title.

Thus FSU went to the ACC where they ran roughshod over the other teams for 7-9 years before losing a conference game. After that they began to slip a bit only now starting to return to old form.

During this time the SEC began to rise even more and USC,UGA,UF and to a lesser extent UK began to reap the recruiting benifits of SEC membership verses their instate rival. Since then this advantage has multiplied to the point that none of these four SEC schools want to lose that advantage. When this came up last summer it was pretty common knowledge over here there is some sort of gentleman's agreement to not vote in any of the instate rivals as it takes 9 yes votes to add a school and these four would block them from getting in. Add in our being betrayed by Clemsux when we both agreed to leave the ACC in the early 1970s and there is NO CHANCE we would ever help Clemsux get into the SEC!

Now of course things can change but these four are pretty d@mn solid now against allowing any of the instate rivals in so FSU,UL,GaTech and Clemsux have no shot

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Forget what I just posted. You know, we need a conference that actually has Gentlemen and Gentlemen's agreements. Thats a wonder of the world: a conference that actually works together.

I like it: punish those too cowardly to join.

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I will add that with regards to UNC both Agsuffering and McBuck are correct that they will never leave the ACC. Basketball is king there and UNC,Duke and Wake pretty much are the king and court(no pun intended)when it comes to ACC basketball. They are the big fish with lots of power, no way they will give that up.
Think of the NC schools combined as UT has been in B12 and SWC.They hold the reins!

Any day above ground is a good one!

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This si getting ridiculous. First of all, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that you guys had an invite at all from the SEC...much less stand alone...that was just your fantasy to counter UT's **** last summer. Second, no one outside of that craphole you call College Station believes that it was the aggies that saved the Big 12...again, that is just your fantasy...no one else is buying.

If the SEC ever decides to expand, yes, atm might be one of the coices, but it has also been established that another private school would be a target...maybe Duke...or Miami. It will not be Clemson.

As a graduate of Alabama and a life long fan, I do not want atm in the SEC...don't want Texas either. We can recuit well enough without a Tx school in the SEC...as evidenced by our 5 BCS titles in a row! Adding atm would be lowering standards...crappy football stadium, boring small town...

Lets just say that I don't share Bamatide's opinion.

Any day above ground is a good one!

It just makes sense, we are going to the SEC. As ur stand who are our rivals outside of TU, a game that will still be held as a non conf, LSU and Arky. None of this alleged Baylor and tech crap.

Point being, we move for more money, visibility, and recruiting.

I abhor agreeing with a gamecock on anything, but you are right about UL...never happen, but Clemps-son may wind up in the SEC....the Dukies will never be in the SEC either. Her is a nice little read about the woes of A&M & TU. The guy that wrote it know what he is talking about...even if Slive rcently said the SEC had no "immediate" plans for expansion.

http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2011-articles/july/texas-aam-regents-meeting-about-longhorn-network.html

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This si getting ridiculous. First of all, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that you guys had an invite at all from the SEC...much less stand alone...that was just your fantasy to counter UT's **** last summer. Second, no one outside of that craphole you call College Station believes that it was the aggies that saved the Big 12...again, that is just your fantasy...no one else is buying.

If the SEC ever decides to expand, yes, atm might be one of the coices, but it has also been established that another private school would be a target...maybe Duke...or Miami. It will not be Clemson.

As a graduate of Alabama and a life long fan, I do not want atm in the SEC...don't want Texas either. We can recuit well enough without a Tx school in the SEC...as evidenced by our 5 BCS titles in a row! Adding atm would be lowering standards...crappy football stadium, boring small town...

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awwwwww...bamaboy is angry...there, there, there...someone pat him softly in the head

McBuck:
As to agreeing with me, well it's like that first taste of beer; you don't like it at first but the more you have the better it gets!
Thanks for the link, that was a good read! And you are right about Duke too but you can add UNC and Wake as well they hold too much power where they are now to leave.

Clemsux may get an offer, anything is possible but there would be one hell of a fight to keep them out

Any day above ground is a good one!

I can't see Clemson joining the SEC. They bring no new TV markets, and South Carolina would not be happy. Same arguement for Ga. Tech, Florida State and Miami.

Duke and Carolina run the ACC, so they aren't going anywhere now. That could change if the Big 10 picks off Maryland.

Virginia Tech makes the best case for a new SEC school. Large new TV markets, football culture and good fan base. The downside is that the Hokies spent a lot of political capital getting into the ACC. I don't know how it would play in Richmond if they left the ACC. I

The upside would be that Seth Greenburg might get the Hokies into the NCAA tournament.

The Big 10 had eleven teams for several years. A 13 team SEC could work.

McInnis nailed it. Look at it this way Bamatantrum, you may not want us, but you want the $$$ we will bring. The State of TX has 25 million residents. The rest of the SEC footprint has only 50-60. Get this Forest, Sweet Home alabama only has 5 million. Bama may get a TX recruit here and there, but most of the SEC doesnt. Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St, Kentucky... they all should be taking recruits away from Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri. Getting games in TX will help that process.

As someone (probably) more inbred than you once said "Its the economy, Stupid!"

Interesting discussion. Growing up in Tallahassee, I'd always been told the Gators blackballed FSU and Miami from SEC invitations. Heck, it took an act of the state legislature to get Florida to play FSU.

When FSU joined the ACC, the sportswriters called it a brilliant move financially because FSU could tap into the ACC basketball financial pot while still doing well in football on their own. I think they like playing in the ACC and may not take an SEC invite even if it was offered.

My guess is South Carolina blackballs Clemson, Kentucky blackballs Louisville, and Georgia blackballs Georgia Tech like everyone's discussed. UNC won't leave the ACC. That leaves UVa, Virginia Tech, and Miami.

Florida would probably blackball Miami, but even if they don't, they're less attractive than a Virginia school since the Gators bring most of the Florida market, at least as far as the the networks are concerned.

The state of Virginia's the prize because it brings the Metro DC market and maybe even penetration into Raleigh/Durham (don't really know). Of the two schools, Virginia Tech's always seemed like a better fit. UVa's administration is likely look down on the SEC academically and want to avoid association (something that may be going on with the A&M administration, for that matter) because there's not enough AAU members, etc.

Back when the Big XII was breaking up, Va Tech was the school mentioned to balance A&M. One of my employees is a Hokie, from a Hokie family and claimed the Hokie nation, or whatever they are, all thought it was a done deal for what that's worth.

It simply makes sense. Virginia Tech fits the conference. It brings a major market the SEC doesn't have. None of the current SEC member schools hate the Hokies enough to blackball them.

We look at the SEC and think OU would be a great addition due to the competition factor. Competition may be second to television. If so, OU may not be as high on the SEC's list as Missouri. Missouri is a border state that brings the St Louis and Kansas City markets. Who balances Missouri in the east? Maybe West Virginia?

As much as I like the speculation game, I'm ready to the pencil necks to call the shot. My guess is by year's end. Take a few months, get things in order, see how things shape up, work a few key legislators (remember they don't meet again until 2013 unless Perry calls a special session), and act far enough ahead of the legislative session that all of the dominoes will fall and this will be a fait accompli before the legislature can screw things up.

RAB83:
That is a very sound analysis and pretty much echos what I have said here several times.
I do believe it is only a question of when expansion happens and when it does I look forward to A&M joining the SEC and hopefully VaTech in the east.

gamecock:

You said Wake Forest!! Yes...you did.....you actually brought the Deacons into this!!!! ok....I'm alright now. ahem.

WF couldn't sniff an invite. I'll stand by the Clemps-son argument. VT might reconsider, but they turned us down once already. Georgia Tech....(aka: North Avenue Trade School -NATS) Fled the SEC once, and have to endure an annual beatdown from my Dawgs already, so that won't happen. It will be A&M, Clemps-son OR A&M VT ...IF this happens. Best bet right now is after this season/NSD 12'.

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Mizzou makes more sense for TV markets than ou, less sense than VT. Problem though is their fans are weak and traditionally have not been a strong football program.

The other issue w/ Mizzou is of how good a partner they would be. They were constantly flirting with the Big Ten when Delaney announced way back when that the Big Ten wanted to expand. They were public about it, and kept on pimping themselves after it became pretty clear the Big Ten wanted to go in a different direction. Now would things still have shaken up in summer 09, probably. But I just dont trust them. I would be worried that Mizzou would join, looking for a chance to jump ship for the Big Ten.

Mizzou has about as much of a chance getting an invite to the SEC as a ....snowball in Valdosta, Georgia.....ain't gonna happen.

I dont think it will either, but consider the numbers: MO has 6 million residents. There are no other D1a program in the state. Its in the KC and Stl markets.

Ok is only 3.5 million. Most of the state is bonkers for the sooners, but they also have oSu and tulsa.

Obviously ou gives the SEC another heavyweight, but they already have plenty.