I know it's way early, but how is our roster shaping up for 2012?

Obviously we're going to lose Tannehill, Fuller, and Gray after this season. Maybe Michael too (do we intentionally limit his carries so that he can't put up a huge season that would garner pro scouts' interest so he'll come back next year?).

This question was brought on by something my sip coworker said. I was ribbing him about how bad we're going to wreck tu this season, asking if he wants me to get us tickets, etc. He responded with "Yeah you better enjoy being relevant this season because after all your talent graduates you'll be back to mediocrity where you were for the last decade".

He's obviously a d bag, but he kinda has a point at least with the skill positions on offense. Those are some huge losses. And our recruiting hasn't been stellar the last couple of years.

Am I wrong to be worried about a return to the bad old days in 2012?

So far our hair looks decent and our ankles are better than in years past.

Remind your sip co-worker that even though a lot of experienced talent graduates after 2011. Mike Sherman and most of the current coaching staff will still be around afterwards. Also, the recruiting has been much improved since he stepped on board. I think we could still be a 9+ win football team after Tanny, Fuller leave

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Haha, Architect beat me to it. Well done, sir.

Lol we will be in a good position to contend for the championship in 2012.

he absolutely does NOT haave a point.

OFFENSE
-we will still have a beastly WR corps(only lose fuller)...we return Swope, mcneal, EZ, Askew will be set for a breakout year, and brandal jackson.
-The OLine will be stellar best in the conference (would only lose at most one guy from this years Line, and thats IF Eike starts).
-great RBs in CMike and a young Trey Williams, and several experienced guys in Jones and Malena.
-only real question on offense is who will emerge and seperate themselves as the starting qb. but we still have a lot of talent there

DEFENSE
we will lose several starters here, but the notion that we havent been recruiting well is delusional at best.
-despite our losses at corner, D. Harris will be your SR leader, with Toney Hurd, floyd Raven, and the JUCO guys we have brought in fighting for PT.
-Safety will lose Trent Hunter, but we may upgrade in talent. S. Campbell and S. Terrel are likely starters. Howard Matthews is expected to be a regular in the rotation as early as 2011. Then theres the juco guys we have brought in too.
-at OLB, Sean Porter will be one of the Best in the Conference, if not the country at the Drop LB. Damontre/B. Alexander/shawn Ward all in rotation at the Joker
-MLB loses GWill, but will have more depth than we have had in years. Jenkins, Mangan, Baggs, Stewart and a few others are all options
-DLine takes a hit losing TJE, Mathis, and Eddie Brown. But Strahan will be doing work at NT. And we have several solid guys that will get PT this year at D-End.

your sip friend is an idiot. water is wet

[This message has been edited by fordtoughaggie_08_18 (edited 6/24/2011 2:33p).]

The defense in 2012 will have A LOT of soul searching to do because it will be the first year of the POST-Deruyter era. I'm not looking forward to that.

Losing Hunter, Judie, and Frederick is going to be tough, but like you said, we have depth. Guys like Harris, Hurd, Campbell, Terrell, Raven, Matthews will be able to fill in nicely

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absolutely, even if it costs us several wins this year.

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retards on raiderpower and f****bevo read this kinda stuff and think we're serious

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And our recruiting hasn't been stellar the last couple of years.

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I don't understand this. 2010 was by far sherman's best overall recruiting class. They'll be JRs in 2012. Oh yeah, we also started 18 true freshmen in 2009. Those true fish will be SRs. We lose terrific three headed monster in Tannehill, Fuller, and Gray, but we'll still return a great roster.

EDIT: Obviously I meant WILL be SRs.

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With the OL we'll have in 2012, we're going to be able to run the ball no matter who is in the backfield (but we have Williams, who is really good). Throw in 4 quality QBs and a ton of good receivers and I'm not worried about the offense one bit.

Defense has more questions. We need that juco NT to step up, and hope we still he DeRuyter. LB will be solid and deep.

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I was at the lsu game, not the best team in the sec by far.

Our starters were not successful, and our reserves proved to be sadly lacking in the Cotton Bowl.

Unless our recruiting for the current class gets several more TOP PLAYERS that can start in 2012, I just don't see it.

if Eike falls out of the starting line-up all we're guaranteed to lose is Gray, Tannehill, and Fuller. Yes, big pieces, but we'd return 8 starters on O.

The biggest deal will be losing 3/4ths of our starting defensive backfield along with Garrick Williams and Jonathan Mathis. Still we're poised to return 14 starters in 2012, and all five of our offensive line (Joeckel - Thomas - Lewis - Klinke/Harrison - Matthews). We'll still have Dustin Harris and Hurd at CB, Terrell/Campbell at safety, and Floyd Raven, Devonta Burns, and Howard Matthews will have had a year under their belt at DB. We'll also be bringing in JUCO Otis Jacobs to take over right where Judie left off.

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Offensively, I think we'll be fine. QB play will take a step back immediately, but we can overcome that with a stellar line and good backs. I think Michael will be back next year. Sherman has these guys buying in for the long haul. Von and Fuller proved that. Plus he will be the man next year.

Defensively will be tougher since we lose a lot up front and in the secondary, but I think Hurd, Harris, Raven and Campbell will prove to be pretty salty. our LB crew will have to be our strong point.

For the record, I don't think DeRuyter will be gone after this year, unless one hell of a team comes after him. I'm gonna say he stays thru 2013. Book it.

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Sad, but true. If we have the season that most Ags THINK we will have this year, I'd have a hard time believing the amazing Deruyter doesn't get an offer at at least a mid-low level AQ school. I think he'll take it in that case. So here's to a great 2011 season, letting Sherm worry about the future, and enjoying what we have now. We may not be in championship contention in '12, but we will still have a mighty fine team.

Unless... We name Deruyter as head coach in waiting? What do you think Mr. Muschamp?

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Funny, the biggest loss on defense BY FAR will be Tony Jerod-Eddie. Much bigger than mathis or Garrick. Don't get me wrong, I love those two guys, but we should expect to lose players of their caliber every year if we ever want to be as successful as I think we can be. Those players should come through all the time.

Overall, I think we'll be stronger at NT, OLB, and S. Possibly ILB too, depending on Jenkins and Baggs. Also if we get Santos he can contribute early.

The only positions on defense that we probably won't be as good at in 2012 is DE and CB. But at DE we have a bunch of good, quality backups that will give us a solid rotation. Guys like Barrera, Stansbury, Nealy, Robinson, Hatten. Same can be said about CB with Raven, Harris, Hurd, Gardiner, Jacobs, Everett, Monroe.

For the first time in a while, I feel that our roster is at a point where we reload more than we rebuild. 2012 won't be as good as the 2011 team, but it still could be a 9-10 win team. In fact, I believe the 2012 team will be better than the 2010 team was, and that team went 9-4.

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Sad, but true. If we have the season that most Ags THINK we will have this year, I'd have a hard time believing the amazing Deruyter doesn't get an offer at at least a mid-low level AQ school.

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I doubt it. It will most likely take a top tier job to take him away. My guess is he'll be here 2 more years. Even if he isn't, he changed the attitude around here. We'll hire from within(maybe Toth), or we'll find a guy that runs a similar system. I LOVE DeRuyter, but remember, sherman is the one that hired him. Sherman will hire another top DC if/when DeRuyter leaves. But the biggest key is that we are over that mental hump. Every player on the defense now believes that they are a good defense. Under fran and shermans first two years, we were just hoping not to screw up.

Baylor just hired phil Bennett, keep an eye on what happens in waco. Phil Bennett would rather coach here. If deruyter leaves, there's an option next door.

The next 3 or 4 coaches we hire need to be experienced top recruiters for us to be a consistant top 10 team. Can you name any of Sherman's coaches ever nominated for National Recruiter of the Year or even nominated for Big 12 Recruiter of the Year?

A check showed the 100 players Sherman has signed include 76 recruits ranked as two/three star players. We dont have enough top players this year to even start at all the 11 offensive and the 11 defensive positions after attrition, and several players are always hurt for at least 3-4 games or more every season. Last season we signed 22 players including 19 two/three star ranked players, so where is help for 2011 and 2012 realistically comming from. This class did not even replace our losses.

Do We seem to have one or two of the same guys just making up wild stuff on almost every thread.

With 67 BCS teams, the ncaa ranked our defense #55 after last season, (bottom quarter); and our scoring offense #33, (midway), so any top 25 team is unlikely to be looking at any of our coaches. DeRuyter is 50 now and I would be looking at coaches 35-39 first.

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lol. clearly you understand the process.

while TJE might be the most "NFL talented" player on the defense (that's still not right, it's Coryell) he's still replaceable by all the talent we have in the DE pipeline.

We don't have a back-up WILL and our starting CBs in 2012 at this point are Harris and Hurd which right now are a downgrade to TFred and Judie. Mathis is important because he can play 2 spots on the DL, and he and Eddie Brown were unsung heroes on last year's WC.

Jake ur chits weak man. Id take three star manziel over five star gilbert any day. Go back to WOW and let the men talk about football

I still disagree with you sportfan. He will be the hardest single player to replace. We have DEs in the pipeline. We don't have another TJE behind him though. There are a few guys I could think of that could develop into about as good as Garrick over the next year. Don't sell Jenkins, Stewart, Baggs, Richmond, and Patterson short.

The thing about TJE is that there isn't another DE behind him that's as talented. While no one is as proven as Garrick Williams, there are other ILBs on our team that are as talented as him. I'd argue that Jenkins, Stewart, Baggs, and Richmond all have more talent than Garrick Williams. If one puts it together, which I'm confident they will, losing him won't hurt as badly as losing TJE.

Don't get me wrong. I like Barrera, Stansbury, Hatten, and Robinson. I think we'll be fine at DE. I just think the overall drop from DE in 2011 to 2012 will be slightly more than the drop at ILB from 2011 to 2012. If anything, I think we'll be better at ILB in 2012 even without Garrick. By that time the five guys I've mentioned will all be much more experienced than they are now.

Cornerback might be a bigger drop. I'll give you that. That all depends on Raven and Jacobs. If those guys are as good as we hope, we might be just as well off at corner.

Either way, I think we've finally gotten to a point where we are reloading moreso than rebuilding. That's the key. I was just surprised when you mentioned what all we lose on defense and didn't include TJE. He's at least tied for what will be our biggest loss on defense after the 2011 season.


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Did bennett or his wife recently get diagnosed with cancer?

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This is most definitely debatable. You can't say that's not right. You can say it's debatable, but you can't say with certainty that Judie is a better NFL prospect than TJE right now. TJE might work his way to the late first or second round. I just think you are undervaluing Tony Jerod-Eddie.

If we win the NC this year, I don't give a **** how we do next year :] (8 wins+ would be nice)

jake is an idiot.

Jake, you are so close to going full blown retard. Why?

Replacing just your starting QB, RB or WR is difficult, replacing all three is almost a guaranteed drop off. If C. Michael hangs around that helps, but if Deruyter is gone I think you can consider 2012 a pretty big drop off.

jake222 = miller58.

But what is "pretty big?" I think everyone agrees 2012 will be a drop off. I just think it might be going from 11-2/12-1 in 2011 to 9-4/10-3 in 2012, which is just fine for a "down year". We'll still have a better roster in 2012 than we did in 2010, and 2010 we went 9-4.

[This message has been edited by beerad12man (edited 6/25/2011 3:13p).]

So Sherman has signed 100 players in his 4 recruiting classes that include 76 ranked as two/three star recruits.

RC had a squad almost exactly like Sherman, back in 2002 just before he was fired. Some of you may remember, not enough top players to start at every position, and almost nothing behind them, just like us today goinginto the 2011 season. A half dozen players carried the team in 2002 and they would be healthy one game and out hurt the next; we'd lose one, then win the next. Some of you may remember first round draft choices like CB Sammy Davis, S Terrance Keil, DT Ty Warren, etc from the 2002 team.

We could have that exact same year in 2011, win half and lose half of our games depending on who is hurt. lsu just showed we have almost no defense and reserves against good teams just 6 months ago. With what we lost, we did not replace what we lost with the 22 players signed in 2011, a #27 ranked recruiting class with only 3 top ranked recruits, after the decommits.(AP)

We play 7 teams this year, last ranked with an average ranking of #70, the other 5 are ranked in the top 25.(AP) We could easily lose against 1 or 2 of the #70 ranked games and lose 3 or 4 of the games against ranked teams. We lost 2/3rds of our games against teams ranked teams last seson, and are not a better team by far than the one blown out by lsu in the Cotton Bowl.

I'd like us to win every game too, but dreaming of fantasy wins in 2011 and 2012, and the reality of our team are two entirely different things, no matter if a few of you continue to post the fantasy dreams every day multiple times.

Alright guys, lets pack it up. Jake has spoken. No more exciting thoughts or posts are tolerated here. We suck, and should not look forward to anything.

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Jake, you're saying we go 6-6 or better this season?