Two conference titles in 13 years.

Go.

yes, but it's easy to win when you're a media darling

Go back a little further to North Carolina days.
2 conference titles in his coaching career!

how many of you would trade our last 12 years (with our overrated coach) for yours?

Gonna be hard to win a smack battle against Mack Brown (unless you're Bob Stoops).

Brent likes him and he makes $5 Million a year. Overrated, but, successful.

national championship, conference titles, top recruiting classes - I'd take it.

No, he has been to the National Championship twice and won once, and a couple of BCS bowl wins.

The Big XII is tougher than most on Texags believe.

Coach February is the highest paid coach in all of college football at $5.1 Million.

A local radio talk show host has bashed him several times and ut for paying him so much.
The usual academics vs athletics debate.
Compare his pay with the best professors at ut.

A room full of 40 plus of their best professors combined salaries are still less than what Mack makes in a year.

Has won 9+ games per year 16 out of the last 17 seasons. His shortcomings pale in comparison to those of most other coaches.

That's tough call. I think with the program's revenue, facilities, location, brand name and history, it would be easy to attract name talent, both assistant coaches and players. It almost seems like anyone in his position could win 7-8 games a year without trying (although a few coaches have proved this wrong). He's been to two national championship games (to Bob Stoops' four). He has one National Championship title (same as Stoops). It just seems like he should have a little more to show for it. Has he been more successful than any recent A&M coach? Sure. But that's not the point. I'd say overall he's overrated.

I agree that comparing Brown with our coaches during his tenure would be an unwinnable battle. That, however is not the question. Brown strikes me as a decent man who can recruit better than anyone. What has he done with the incredible talent he acquired? Not enough. I would say that he has underachieved. Some argue that his national championship came through the unbelievable ability of Vince Young and not because of his coaching ability. The man is a winner but, in my opinion, he should have accomplished more (and you know what they say about opinions).

he's a great recruiter..and more importantly he's a great leader of programs and men.

he however has demonstrated at times he's not the best game day coach there is.

Do I smell a dropping off in the quality of the tu football program?

Dont bet on it.

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That's tough call. I think with the program's revenue, facilities, location, brand name and history, it would be easy to attract name talent, both assistant coaches and players.

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This is a consideration; however, you can't only look at his tu resume. I think what he did at UNC was extremely impressive. Take a hard-core basketball school and turn it into a 10+ win team over multiple seasons - something no one could do before and even a MNC builder like Butch Davis hasn't been able to do since. It was one of the absolute worst football programs in the country when he took over.

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yes, but he is only the 2nd most overrated coach on tu's campus.

Danny, that's true, but I think that points to him being a better salesman than coach. Of course, nowadays, you have to be both.

Which coach should be on the hot seat?

One coach, who has recruited Top 10 recruiting classes for the last 10 years, but has lost 3 games this year. 2 od those to unranked teams without winning records at home.

or
One coach, trying to rebuild from years of horrible recruiting, who has lost 3 games this year, to ranked teams, only one at home, and in 2 of the 3 games until the very last play of the game.

Is Ed "Too Tall" Jones too tall?

He's a very mediocre X's and O's coach, but he's been one of the best recruiters in the NCAA for about 2 decades. Whether you like it or not, recruiting is a huge part of the college game. You can win it all with decent schemes + top flight talent.

Also, his motivational ability for big games is really good. Sure he's lost some head scratchers, but the better the opponent, the harder his teams play. Even though it drives us all nuts, his boys really seem to buy into his "we're texas" crap. Even when they're not that great, they always forget to play like it when they're in a big game (look no further than NU two Saturdays ago). There's a reason he's 7-4 in bowl games (or whatever his record is).

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No. But I will tell you that football geniuses follow great players around.

Define "overrated". Is he being compared to true legends like Bear Bryant or (gag) Darrell Royal? Not that I have noticed. I don't think he's a GREAT coach. But he is clearly an extremely good one.

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