haustin: pron. HAAW-stin. def. One not in the know. One who reads not public reports or information sources. One who knows not anyone in the know. One who posts ****.

haustin6, are you a sip?

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Asked about the reports of a bid to the Southeastern Conference, Loftin said, "We had no written offer from the SEC. What I knew was that if I wanted one, it was a phone call away."

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http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/06/am-president-sec-bid-was-a-phone-call-aw.html

How about a video of Loftin saying that an SEC offer was a phone call away?

Here are several points I want to get off my chest:

1. Bill Byrne probably would rather not go to the Pac 10. He has publicly said (you can find the video on youtube) that he doesn't like the travel distances of the Pac 10. He would rather stay in the Big 12-2 than go to the new Pac 10.

2. Loftin said in an interview on texags.com that the SEC invite was a phone call away.

3. OU president was reported by ESPN admitting that both they and us had SEC invites.

We will inevitably be in the SEC. Dan Beebe can not be trusted. In fact, recently, it was reported that Dan Beebe guaranteed to Iowa State that all of their games will be televised. Then afterwards, Dan Beebe changed his guarantee saying that he couldn't meet that guarantee.

To 1,000,000 touchdowns...and beyond

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1. Bill Byrne probably would rather not go to the Pac 10.

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That's true. When I said that Byrne preferred the PAC 10, I meant that he preferred it to the SEC. But his first choice was to make the Big 12 work.

President Powers: “I don’t think any one university can take credit for saving the Big 12 Conference. It was a collective commitment by the remaining 10 members of the conference... A lot of the media reports are starting to report about the strength of our position during the entire situation. Texas A&M played a key role in ultimately increasing the financial viability of the Big 12."

What the hell does that quote have to do with anything?

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Urban Meyer on SEC Expansion

“This is just one man’s opinion, but I kind of like the way things are,” Florida’s Urban Meyer said in a statement on Wednesday, according to Chris Low and the ESPN.com SEC Blog. “The SEC has elevated itself to one of the top conferences, if not the top conference, in the last five years … I can’t imagine making it a little stronger, a little tougher to win a few games. I don’t see it happening.”

SEC commissioner Mike Slive has always stated that the league would consider expanding if it's necessary to maintain its position because of significant growth in other leagues.

haustin6 is a sip troll. Ignore him...

You might be the dumbest man on the planet. When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.

Some of you guys have an interesting viewpoint, but keep in mind that the only place where A&M's move to the SEC is imminent and unwavering is on this message board.

If it happens, that is fine, just haven't seen a shred of proof that it will happen.

If you can show me that proof with a link, please do.

Did I mention that you are a huge idiot?

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contracts don't have to be in writing to be valid, just have to be 1)a promise(s) and 2) enforceable by law

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Drive-by analysis: Many types of contracts fall within the statute of frauds, which requires they be in writing. Without considering any of the likely issues, this probably needs to be in writing.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. This issue boils down to "F--- you, pay me!" We hold the cards, the little 7 dont.

Evil austin: the move to the SEC is not imminent, its the gun we hold to the conference's head to make them pay us.

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"haustin6 is a sip troll. Ignore him..."

+1

BTW, as what may be a minor technicality, how does the SEC add just one school? Doesn't that create a bit of a problem for the balanced divisions?

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Evil austin: the move to the SEC is not imminent, its the gun we hold to the conference's head to make them pay us.

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And that is exactly one of the points I made that got this whole thing started...

Consider -- CU, a school whose athletic department bleeds money and whose on-field performance degraded since 2001--just ran an end around the Big XII. And not only will CU get out early, they are paying less than Nebraska.

Which then makes you wonder, if CU had that kind of leverage from its weak corner, how the hell did A&M not exploit its own advantage?

Why are Sips and Tards so defensive about the fact that A&M got serious interest from the SEC? It was on SI.com for crying out loud. The fact is that the SEC was interested in A&M.

Was there an "official offer?" No, because conferences treat their offers like Mack Brown treats his offers- they only dole them out when its a 100% lock. But A&M definitely had some sort of serious interest.

But you know what the best proof is? I don't need a "link."

Tell me how A&M got the same guaranteed money as OU and TU when the deal was cut? Why did TU back out of the PAC16 deal when it was assured that they held their own fate in their hands?

Because A&M ****ed up the deal thats why.

And you can argue "it was just a bluff," but then instead of saying that a major conference is interested in adding one of the top ten largest single campus schools in the nation like A&M (which is crazy right?) you are saying that Aggies are the best damn poker players ever.

Either way, the bullsh*t inferiority complex over the fact that TU wasn't the only ballerina at the ball is pretty pathetic.

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We did have an offer from the SEC.

Right now, I would say we don't because the SEC is happy with its 12 team conference similar to the other 12 team conferences.

In 6 months or a year, the Big 10 is going to go hunting again. If they start picking up more schools (ND, etc.), you can bet the Pac 12 and SEC will follow. At that point, we will get another offer from the SEC. I think then we will finally join the SEC especially after the uproar from the fans, students, and alumni.

Lastly, haustin6, go troll elsewhere.

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how does the SEC add just one school? Doesn't that create a bit of a problem for the balanced divisions?

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Ask the MAC. They currently have 13 schools.

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The Big 12 announced the timetable for the exits - and exit fees - of Nebraska and Colorado from the league on Tuesday night, and commissioner Dan Beebe reiterated Texas A&M will get the $20 million annually it was promised starting in 2012-13.

"There's been no change in that," Beebe said in a teleconference.

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http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/aggies/2010/09/big-12-commish-aggies-will-get.html

It is really, really nice of the Big 12 to agree to give us a sweetheart deal even though we don't have an SEC offer.

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Who says the SEC would only add one school?

Everyone knows that what is said in a press release is always the absolute rock solid truth and is set in stone forever, right haustin?

I'd be shocked if there isn't a pretty well considered exit plan in place. I'd also bet there is regular contact between A&M affiliates and SEC affiliates. Given the uncertain future of the Big 12, it's almost certain there is plenty going on under the radar screen.

SEC wouldn't add one imo, they will add a minimum of two. If A&M is one, Va Tech would be the leading candidate to be # 2 becasue of the additon of the va/DC Tv market. As previously documented, the SEC wanted both A&M and OU, but OU has pretty clearly decided to pin their future on their burnt orange pal.

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"Beebe said Big 12 leaders would meet next month to discuss how the money withheld from Nebraska and Colorado would be distributed among the 10 remaining members."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/09/21/colorado.nebraska.ap/index.html#ixzz10Gab1SC1

So, it ain't a done deal at all.

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So, it ain't a done deal at all.

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If you mean how the exit fees are going to be divided, that is not a done deal. If you mean how much money A&M is going to get, it is a done deal that it will not be less than $20 million dollars. Loftin has said is publicly. Beebe has said it publicly. All of the behind the scenes leaks are saying it. How much more proof do you people need? Why are some of you being so hard headed?

haustin I bet you also believe that tu saved the Big XII.

The Big 12 announced the timetable for the exits - and exit fees - of Nebraska and Colorado from the league on Tuesday night, and commissioner Dan Beebe reiterated Texas A&M will get the $20 million annually it was promised starting in 2012-13.

"There's been no change in that," Beebe said in a teleconference.

These seem to say it all. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

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At any rate, this was just a pipe dream as it was not politically expedient for A&M to wreck the Pac 16 and then the Big 12 (minus 2) and do harm to Tech and Baylor and others so not sure that was even a possibility anyway.

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A&M wreck the Pac 16? LMAO A&M was only apart of that deal in the arrogance of Deloss Dodd's mind. And if you t-sip *****s were so worried about Baylor, you would have pushed for them instead of us in you fun little world seeing how we wanted no part of it anyway.

Whistling For Flies, Beebe's email couldn't have been more clear. The $20 million promise to be funded by the little 5 was for 2012-13 and 2012-13 only. That is one year. After that the hope was that increased revenues from the revised television contract would provide $20 million or more. That is a hope and not a guarantee. The guarantee is for one year.

Dan Beebe reiterated Texas A&M will get the $20 million annually it was promised starting in 2012-13.

So, this is a lie?

As far as proof of the deal goes, I think this is some pretty solid evidence. The email from Dan Beebe to Guy Bailey(tech's president).

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Dear Guy:

Gerald asked me to send you the arrangements that the five universities agreed to do to induce Oklahoma,
Texas A&M and Texas to stay in the conference. As you lmow, each was being pursued by more than one
conference and there was considerable interest in them based on their historical market value. After looking at
their bleak possible future revenue potential without OU, Texas and Texas A&M, some of the representatives of
the five universities that likely would have had to re-build the conference wanted to know what would help keep
those institutions in the Big 12. I indicated that the total future revenue distributions by the conferences
pursuing those schools would likely exceed $20 million and that may be what it would take in our future media
deals to keep them. The five agreed that they wanted to ensure that those three schools remain and to try to
induce them to do so by guaranteeing OU, Texas and Texas A&M at least $20 million of total revenue in 2012-
13-the first year of a new media contract. Estimates of the value of a possible new media contract appeared as
if the guarantee may not be needed. Based on that, the five agreed to use revenue from THEIR distributions
ONLY to make the guarantee, IF needed.

As you know, these were difficult times with desperation being felt by many-perfect decisions and full
consideration may not have been possible, but the result, in my opinion, is best for all in keeping the Big 12 as a
viable conference. 1 know I represent the nine conunitted institutions in hoping that Texas Tech provides the
unequivocal, unconditional commitment that the Board of Directors requested at their recent meeting.

Of course this is sensitive, so you can use it but do not distribute by forwarding or ptinting it.

Thanks,

Dan

Dan Beebe
Commissioner
Big 12 Conference
400 East John Carpenter Freeway
Irving, TX 75062

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Should be noted that he only refers to one year of $20M

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^^^This

We'll see how close they can come to that in successive years. If we can be guaranteed $17MM or more, I'll be shocked.

We would be looking at $15 million in the SEC and an exit penalty.