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I second what Bob says.......

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Look.

Uncovering is done out of a sign of respect for the fallen and for the traditions of A&M.

Like it or not, it has been a tradition for a long time.

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Wrong on all counts.

Not so since I started attending games in the 60s with my Dad, class of '49 or since I entered the Corps in 1973.

Sorry.

Uncover if you want, don't if you don't.

Don't yell at your fellows Ags about it

I don't care whether one party thinks it is a tradition and whether another party thinks it is not - just don't try to yell at me about it.

I have a hard time believing anything anyone says about "honoring" our war dead when they are screaming and disrespecting other people.

Keeping the friendliness of A&M is infinitely more important than whether or not some one is wearing a damn hat.

RIP General Patton t-shirts.

Barn Razer you are dead right on Thank you!!!!!!!and it was always the custom never to cover your head after the game either on your way to the fish pnd or back to the dorm.

I NEVER IN MY YOUNGER DAYS CALLED AN OLD AG AN IDIOT. I still to this day have too much respect for myself and those you have gone before me.

great new tradition NEW ARMY

We need a federally-funded commission to seek out the truth and put this to rest once and for all!

does toby kieth still have the nads to put a boot up someones ass... he did vote for Obama...

I've seen 'em lose, I've seen 'em win, but I've never seen 'em quit

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some other cookie pusher school

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well A&M is technically a cookie pusher school

just thought I would point that out

also that link quotes david chapman.


It also has a blurb about secret societies.


Take a guess which hand he wears his ring on.

Besides' it's 'Stikas, not Stickers. As in Swa-stikas. The society was formed BEFORE the swastika became associated with all things evil. The Swastika originated in the middle-east. There are many hypothesis to its origin dating back thousands of years to India and China. With near-historical reference to Texas, it was a symbol used by the Navajo indians and other tribes as well:



In the early 1900's people used it as a good luck charm:

I have a reference to the society from an old Aggieland (then the Longhorn) that I was thumbing through.

The woman in the uniform has a great figure. Who is she?

spreadsheet fwiw,

swastika dancing and social club

first appeared in the yearbook 1907-1910
(I forgot which year and do not have my notes)

had their own page in the yearbook with gold foil logo on it.

triangle with a swastika in center with lines going from the edges toward the center.



[This message has been edited by nai06 (edited 11/12/2009 1:58p).]

The band remove their hats when they run off the filed at halftime too as a sign of respect...

If it is a memorial (like the MSC) wouldn't you uncover whenever you were in there (like in the MSC)?

Well, CanyonAg77, your memory must be REAL bad, because we (ALL Corps members) had to uncover in KF, except during the march in, or for those in the FTAB when on the field, or the duty daddies on the sidelines, or when presenting arms during the National Anthymn, all of which are during times that cadets are conducting official military duties. I think that now the cannon crew are also covered. We didn't have a cannon back when I was in the Corps. But, you know what? The Corps still unvocers in KF. In fact, IT'S REQURED. Read the Standard. It's still there and has been for years!

I'm sorry that you refuse to accept the facts because you don't like a few jerks yelling at you during a game. I think it's bad they do it, too. It's just that I know where it comes from. It's not just made up for the hell of it to p*** a few people off.

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If it is a memorial (like the MSC) wouldn't you uncover whenever you were in there (like in the MSC)?

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That's what I found unusual. It's like we only want to show respect to veterans during yells. If it truly was a memorial, we wouldn't wear hats at all.

I'll take aggienetwork.com's word that it's not a memorial over some texags crazies.

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The Corps still uncovers in KF. In fact, IT'S REQURED.

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Doesn't mean it applies to the other 98% at Kyle. The corps can do whatever it wants. Squeeze, uncover, etc.

The fact is that Kyle's not a memorial, so the issue of uncovering is pointless.

Why isn't there a sign to remove your hats like there is on the MSC???

The Corps uncovers at all sports venues. That does not mean that the Cotton Bowl or Baylor Stadium, etc. are memorials. If Kyle Field were a memorial, it would logically be called Kyle Memorial Field.

I thought we (cadets) uncovered in Kyle because it was a "building", and you uncover in buildings on campus as a cadet.

The flags may be a coincidence, or may be flown in memorium, but the structure itself is not a dedicated memorial. That designation falls to the MEMORIAL student center, where EVERYONE uncovers.

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The band remove their hats when they run off the filed at halftime

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Cadets remove their covers when running, too, no matter where. Otherwise, it's going to fall off anyways.

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cheerleaders in tight sweater tops and short skirts

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And uhhhh...when can we start talking more about that.

My input:

1. My father was '44. In those days, the Corps wore their covers even in Kyle Field. He vividly remembered how helpful it was to be wearing campaign hats (like drill instructors wear today) in the stands when the sun was in their eyes.

2. Kyle Field is not a memorial. I always learned that the flags commemorate the Aggies who died in WWI, but the structure itself is not a memorial in the way that Memorial Stadium in Austin and the stadium at U. of Illinois are. (BTW, how sick is it that they renamed the place in Austin and added Coach Royal's name to it, thereby equating someone giving his life for his country with a football coach????)

3. I was in the Corps from 1967-1971. During this period, covers were removed after the outfit yell at the end of the march-in and not worn again until the next formation (except at the game during the National Anthem, etc.). After the game at Kyle, after the game at LSU and Ohio State, no covers! It had nothing to do with the stadium being a memorial. We did it at all stadiums, not just Kyle, and we also did it at G. Rollie White, and at all away basketball games. Last I checked, G. Rollie White is not a memorial.

4. Clearly, how the Corps felt about wearing covers changed between 1940-1944 and 1967-1971. That change had nothing to do with suddenly seeing Kyle Field as a memorial.

5. Even though the Corps changed the way it understands when to wear a cover, non-regs are not obligated to take their covers off. They are not in uniform. It is wrong to be yelling at non-regs to compel them to act in a way that applies only to the Corps. You might as well gripe at them for not wearing the right color belt or the wrong type of shoe or belt buckle.

6. Taking your cover off in the MSC is different. All males are asked to do so because the structure was originally designed as and is universally recognized as a memorial.

i dont think uncover is a tradition at all. but if it is, i think we need to do away with it. the idea of a yell being a way to honor fallen Aggies is so completely asinine and disrespectful. really, the best we can do to honor Veterans is through a freaking yell? i think ill keep my hat on and honor our soldiers through ways that aren't retarded, thanks.

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might as well gripe at them for not wearing the right color belt or the wrong type of shoe or belt buckle.

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Damn Straight!

would the people that yell uncover during yells even say anything to someone that refused to take their hat off during the national anthem?

Why doesn't the players, coaches, and other lurkers including media on the sideline not have to uncover their ball caps?

Not wearing a hat in the hot sun is not healthy. Could cause skin cancer, dehydrations, vision imparement, etc ...

Uncover is not a tradition.

The OP has information reportedly straight from the original sources.

Reminds me of the military tradition of the number of folds associated with reasoning on the US flag and the shape it makes is to look like the colonial hat. The military came out and debunked that theory as sometimes we like ot get cute and find relations to why something is done.

http://www.snopes.com/military/flagfold.asp

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When I say, I wanna go visit a war memorial, football stadium does not pop up in my head. My hat stays on.

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Well, CanyonAg77, your memory must be REAL bad, because we (ALL Corps members) had to uncover in KF,

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Memory is fine. I recall "uncovering" in Kyle, and all the rest. The big round hats with the winter unis were a particular PITA to find a spot for while sitting in the stands.

(Was a BQ. We sat for three quarters)

I was just disputing the fallacy that hats were removed in Kyle because of "respect" and "tradition".

OldArmy71 FTW

I always had understood there were 52 flags atop Kyle Field and 52 trees with markers around the drill field... one each for the 52 Aggies killed in WW I. Now there are 55 flags... and the state historical marker in front of the Academic building says there were 63 fallen. Seems we could get this one right? I can understand the number changing over time as new data is found but there has to be a proper current number right?

As a member of the Corp from 1977 - 1981, I uncovered in the stadium. As a former student I do not. The Texas sun simply does not agree that this old man with a bald head should loose protective cover.

How are you just going to reply to a thread from 2009 like the conversation was ongoing?

Some people just get busy. Lol

He's class of '81; it took him this long to figure out how to log in.