uconn barely squeaked by frikkin temple..don't tell me they are good...and don't say that by beating uconn, baylor has any chance against osu or tech when it's in Lubbock and we have won the past 15 or so in a row.

we suck it could happen

I refuse to believe that Baylor can beat A&M....it can't happen

It happened in 2004.

true....but it's frikkin baylor we are talking about here...sheet folks, they should remain a 2-10 team the rest of our lives.

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Baylor's top rival is A&M

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lol

Right now Baylor is a better team than A&M. They are apparently better coached and are definitely improving faster.

How does anyone think we will beat them in two months? What is going to happen to change "the facts on the ground"?

RedRaider -

UCONN played Temple in an absolute Monsoon . . . 40 mph winds and it was raining balls to the wall. Way worse weather than the 2nd half of the Notre Dame Michigan game. Judging them based off that performance alone underestimates them.

Another way to look at is is that they just pounded a Virginia team by the same margin as USC did.

UCONN isn't USC (obviously), but they aren't bad either.

Dominate, no. But I do fully expect Baylor to win by 3 or 4. Baylor is better than A&M right now. Alot could happen before that game, but we dont beat the Bear at this point.

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They are apparently better coached and are definitely improving faster.

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Based on what? Your opinion. They are running basically the same offensive and defensive schemes as last year, we are learning completely new systems and the coaches are having to coach basic fundamantals to a team that had none of that for the least five years. All things considered, to claim our coaches suck or expect a dramatic change in our team in just a few weeks is simply rediculous.

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All things considered, to claim our coaches suck or expect a dramatic change in our team in just a few weeks is simply rediculous.

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I can tell by the scheme he's implementing. The only way to turn this around is with a Mike Leach style offense – I think it’s safe to assume Sherman isn’t planning on going there.

The math is pretty easy on this now that we have rot-gut talent AND rot-gut scheme!

Street Fighter -

Baylor isn't running anything like they did last year. Last year they ran a 4-2-5 on Defense with one gap penetration. . . that's been changed to a two gap 4-3 style defense.

Also, Baylor's "spread" isn't anything like Leach's spread . . . they are only spreads in the fact that we deploy 4 or 5 guys. Leach relies on screen and intermediate passing and never runs the ball. Baylor piled up more than 400 yards of rushing last game, and the passing offense relies on quick hitters and down the field routes. The Leach/Briles offenses are not very similiar at all, and not similar to what we attempted to run last year.

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I can tell by the scheme he's implementing

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Oh God, here we go again.

DKR thinks he is the greatest coach ever based on "scheme" alone.

Start your strawman argument now, please!

Hurin - those of us who are older still think of Baylor as a rival. I'd say that all-time, Baylor is one of A&M's top three rivals (t.u., Baylor, and TCU). Obviously the rivalry slid on our part due to Baylor’s decline. But some of the best game experiences I've had were at A&M versus Baylor games in the 80s. I hope that both schools get back to our 80s level of play & resume the rivalry.

On Griffin - wow! He looks like a Reggie McNeal level athlete. Maybe better, since he is an Olympic-class hurtler. I’d expect him to take a pounding during Big 12 play as teams try to slow him down, but if he can stay healthy (and right now there’s no evidence that he can’t) he’s going to be a good one.

On who’s better between A&M or Baylor – who knows. That’s why we play the games.

PS - Thanks for the objective discussion. The zoo has turned into a second rivalries board & its good to see some of that diminish. Good luck to Baylor in every game (but A&M of course).

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I hope that both schools get back to our 80s level of play & resume the rivalry.

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You mean when we were both bad but neither party knew it?

Hurin,

Didn't realize ya'll changed the D up, my bad. My Baylor relative didn't even know that one and I thought he kept up with the program.

Eventhough the Leach and Briles offenses are not mirror images, they are still spread types and should be easier to adapt to from one to another, especially when it comes to blocking assignements. Going from a spread option, well wiothout the spread part, to a west coast variant is definitely going to have some growing pains which are eveident in our prformance.

DKR, implemeting a tard offense might have been the easier route to take, but that does not mean it would prove to be the best long term.

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You mean when we were both bad but neither party knew it?

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You really do only have like 2-3 lines, don't you.

As of this moment Baylor would lil our chops. We are a poorly coached team no doubt about it.
Our team looks like poorly organized Mayhem on both offense and defense. By the way ASU lost to Southern Mississippi

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DKR, implemeting a tard offense might have been the easier route to take, but that does not mean it would prove to be the best long term.

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Why not? How is 2-10 with a rediculous system better?

eh, we actually have some decent depth in the secondary (assuming no more injuries)

with a scheme that they are practicing every week and getting more comfortable, i wouldn't be surprised if this is the first matchup that actually shows what kines can do.

if we were to play them right now, then yeah, we might get smoked. but over time, i think Pugh, Gorrer and Brown are very solid. throw in a heady peterson and dixon (can't cover but will lay some of them out), and we should be alright. the biggest concern is finding a LBer that doesn't look horrible in space.

Our DL is looking about what I thought they would...but a couple of guys like Moss are actually better than i expected

DRK - proving why an ignore feature is something that texags should implement.

bu will win 2 maybe 3 games in conference this year. Unfortunately, it is likely we are one of those games.

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dreyOO - you are assuming our scheme problem is on defense... it's our offense that will lose the bu game.

Joel Klatt is just bitter.

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Why not? How is 2-10 with a rediculous system better?

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So now you're Nostradomous! And the offensive system is not rediculous. Sure, it takes a little more intelligence to run vs. just picking up a PlayStation or X-Box controller, but it that doesn't make it an inferior system.

I dont think we should be talking smack to ANY team right now...lol. We will have our hands full with Bu unless we get a LOT better. Their QB is really a threat.

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No, I don't think Baylor can make a bowl game. Baylor has "no chance" games against UT (in Austin), Tech, OU, Missouri. That leaves @ Nebraska (next to impossible), ISU (should happen), OSU, A&M. Baylor will have to win 3 of those 4 to make a bowl, and that assumes we beat UCONN . . . you know, the same UCONN that just PASTED Virginia by about 40.

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UCONN is better this year than a&m, osu, isu, and nebraska.

They have 17 returning starters (from a 9-4 team) and a very good quarterback. You are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment if you are counting that as a win. UCONN is head and shoulders better than bu right now. not saying its impossible, but don't see anything that makes this a game you should be counting as a win.

fwiw, i think uconn would beat the ags by 10+.

griffin's going to be a headache.

i think baylor takes this ballgame.

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Although the Aggies have been bullied up front on defense (they're 113th nationally in rushing yards allowed), the bigger worry is an offensive line that has looked overmatched. A&M's big fellas have yielded 3 1/2 sacks per game (114th in the country) and, despite having a stable of dangerous backs running behind them, only managed to clear the way for 112 rushing yards per game (95th). That could make for a long year.

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That's a gloomy picture if you've played a couple top-20 teams on the road. That is ridiculous after a couple of tune-up games!

We have an outside chance of upsetting bu, but there is no way we have any business popping off to them!

The OL is the absolute WORST I've ever seen at A&M. We are trying to teach a zone blocking scheme to fat, slow OL - it is going to be UGLY this year.

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We have an outside chance of upsetting bu

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You keep displaying your genius on this thread.

If Sherman and his "awful, vanilla" offense beat a Briles team that we only have "an outside chance of upsetting" will you stop with your asanine statements?

JPHelmet -

No, I don't think Baylor will beat UCONN. I should have been stronger when I said, "that assumes we beat UCONN" . . . I didn't mean it as a 50/50 game, I meant it as tough road to sled.

Beating the Big East Champs on their home turf would be a tall order in deed. As an honest Baylor fan, I'd give the Bear's a punchers chance (because of Griffin) at maybe 20%. Even if we beat them though, a bowl game is still a tough call.

Consider this: out of the remaining 9 opponents the Bears will face, seven of them are in the top 35 (UCONN, Nebraska, OU, Mizzou, UT, Tech, OSU), and 4 of them are in the top 10.

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If Sherman and his "awful, vanilla" offense beat a Briles team that we only have "an outside chance of upsetting" will you stop with your asanine statements?

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no, we may very well "brute force" a win against one of the worst programs in football. Heck, RC and Fran did plenty of that for their entire tenures.

I want to be competitive with the Miami's, tu's, and OU's of the world. No doubt we aren't equipped talent-wise to do that! The only thing new about this year, is that we may be so under-talented, that we find a way to get beat by equally under-talented (but better schemed) teams like ASU and bu.

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As of this moment Baylor would lil our chops. We are a poorly coached team no doubt about it.
Our team looks like poorly organized Mayhem on both offense and defense. By the way ASU lost to Southern Mississippi

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How do people come up with this crap? Rewatch the damn NM game. It was 28-10 until the last half of the 4th.

What's funny is that you equate very bad offensive production with a "vanilla" scheme. There is still nothing to suggest that our offense, if done right, can't get us where we want to go. There is also nothing to suggest that the spread, if executed at the level we're executing the WC, wouldn't find us at the same record we have now with just as much hope for the future. The problem is you won't agree to that and instead try and trash our past (which, judging from some of our bigger games and our NFL production shows how wrong you actually are). Of course, when people point that out, you move on to the "we cheated" part of your argument.

There is no way you're even an Aggie.