Could the Allies have done anything to stop the Holocaust?

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Smeghead4761
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I recently came across an old lecture (13 years ago) on the factors that enabled the Holocaust to happen. One of the audience members asks if the Allies should have attempted to stop the killings by bombing the camps. The professor responds that it wasn't considered, but in his opinion, they should have.


The professor may be morally right, but from a practical military perspective, he's out in left field. The problem is that, at the time that the bulk of the murders in the death camps were occurring, the Allies, specifically the American 8th Air Force, completely lacked the capability to reach any target that far away from England. The bulk of the murders in the death camps occurred between June and December of 1942, and those camps were located in eastern Poland. This placed them completely beyond the range of the B-17, and at extreme range for the B-24. (And the first B-24 units only became operational in England in October 1942) Needless to say, it was well beyond fighter escort range, even into 1945. But even if it might have been technically possible, it was beyond the operational capabilities of the 8th Air Force in 1942. In fact, the 8th Air Force didn't even bomb its first target in Germany - Wilhelmshaven on the North Sea coast - until January 27, 1943. And the deepest penetration raid of the entire war only went as far as Dresden - and Auschwitz was roughly 250 miles deeper into German territory.

Once the war started, there was nothing the Allies could have done to prevent the killings.
TXAG 05
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Plus, at that time in the war, how well was it known what was going on in the camps?
ABATTBQ87
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TXAG 05 said:

Plus, at that time in the war, how well was it known what was going on in the camps?


Mobile Killing Units (1941): Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, British intelligence intercepted and decrypted secret Enigma transmissions revealing mass shootings of civilians and Jewish populations by the Einsatzgruppen (SS death squads).

The Riegner Telegram (August 1942): The first definitive warning regarding the shift from mass shootings to industrial extermination using poison gas arrived via Gerhart Riegner, the representative of the World Jewish Congress in Geneva. Passed along via information supplied by German industrialist Eduard Schulte, the cable warned Allied diplomats that Germany had initiated a central plan to gather and murder European Jews in purpose-built camps in the East.

2. Official Confirmation & Public Knowledge (Late 1942)
Press Announcements (November 1942): After several months of verifying intelligence from underground resistance couriers (such as Polish officer Jan Karski) and initial diplomatic skepticism, the U.S. State Department confirmed the reports. On November 25, 1942, major Allied newspapers reported that up to two million people had already been systematically murdered.

Joint Allied Declaration (December 17, 1942): Twelve Allied governmentsincluding the United States, Great Britain, and the Soviet Unionissued a formal joint declaration explicitly condemning Nazi Germany's "bestial policy of cold-blooded extermination" and promising post-war prosecution for those responsible.
Vestal_Flame
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Conquest of Germany was the only way to end the Holocaust.

The first problem with the idea of "bombing the camps" is that bombing the camps results in American bombs being used to kill Jews. You can't bomb the camps into oblivion without killing the prisoners.

And, even if you logistically cripple the camps by some miracle of accuracy, it's not like the camps are sophisticated manufacturing facilities that function only in the presence of a stable supply chain and require the operation of advanced machinery. If the gas chambers weren't working, starvation was killing these same people, just a little more slowly.

Besides, only about 1/5 of bombs dropped from a B-17 in WWII landed within 1/5 mile of the target, IIRC. Bombing just won't do the job.

The second problem is a little uglier. I believe that the average German in the first decade of Hitler's rule 1) understood what was being done and 2) supported it. Last week, I went to see a temporary exhibition at the Topography of Terror museum in Berlin, on the site of the old Gestapo HQ. The temporary exhibition directly asks, "What did the average German know?" The temporary exhibition presents the diaries of townspeople near the camps, letters among German civilians, and media reports (i.e., propaganda). It is clear to me that there is no difficulty in supporting the idea that there was broadly-distributed knowledge of the nature of the final solution. These people knew. Little kids in the towns, complaining about the smoke, were asking, "Daddy, when are they going to burn the Jews again?"

"Who knew what" is slippery. But a lot of people were presented with evidence that would cause a reasonable person to infer institutionalized murder. This thing was no secret.

So, having established knowledge, there is then the question of support.

Europe has a long tradition of killing Jews. For example, next to the chapel in the castle garden at Rothenburg, there is a monument to the hundreds of Jews who were killed in the purge of 1298. I cite that example because I was there on Sunday morning. Murdering Jews wasn't new in Germany, or elsewhere in Europe. The long history of pogroms is pretty easy to document from published sources, both in Germany and elsewhere. The Holocaust is different, because 20th century Germans had brought bureaucratized thoroughness and mechanized efficiency to the business of genocidal depravity.

In the Hitler period, there are the pictures of the roundups. Ordinary people are standing around, watching, and nobody is complaining. There was a picture in the permanent exhibition of the ToT museum that really told the whole story. The Gestapo was rounding up Jews with the support of both regular uniformed police and the SS. There was a crowd of ordinary people watching the show. Nobody was protesting or trying to interfere. The SS was not wearing face masks to prevent its members from facing retribution from the public. Hell, people were buying, at auction, the household furniture and valuables of the victims.

I have been to remembrance sites in Germany on three occasions. In 1999, I went to Dachau. In 2025, I went to Gestapo headquarters in Cologne. In 2026, I visited the Topography of Terror Museum in Berlin. I came away from each of those experiences with an increasing conviction that the average German in 1940 supported the murder of Jews.

You're not going to bomb a country into stopping an activity that enjoys broad popular support, then or now.

BQ_90
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esp when bombing the hell outta the civilians in those same cities wasn't ending the war
CanyonAg77
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Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake

The Nazis were wasting tons of men, material, and logistical support to kill Jews From a cold-blooded stance of winning the war ASAP, why would we stop them? Every train carrying Jews to a camp was one less train carrying fuel and bullets to the front.

I agree with the above comment that the quickest way to save Jews was to end the war
Chipotlemonger
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Would recommend the museum named Yad Vashem to you or anyone else interested in museum visits. It is a Holocaust museum outside of Jerusalem and is very well put together. Extremely moving, to say the least. Leaves quite the impact.
Smeghead4761
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I agree that defeating Germany was the only thing that was going to stop the Holocaust, which means, for reasons of timing, military capability, and geography, they couldn't have stopped it at all.

Timing, because, as I noted in my original post, the vast bulk of killing in the death camps (it's important to differentiate between the death camps - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz, - which existed entirely to kill Jews, from concentration camps like Dachau, where death was simply a byproduct) took place from June - December 1942. The killing activities of the Einsatzgruppen - the "Holocaust by Bullets"* began with the German invasion of the Soviet Union and continued as long as the Germans were on Soviet territory. During that time period - June 1941 - December 1942 - the Allies had no ability to do anything about it.

Bombing the camps didn't even become a remote possibility until the shuttle bombing was set up in June 1944 - by which point Auschwitz was the only death camp still operating. Even then, I'm not sure it would have worked, both because, as mentioned previously, the bombers were nowhere near accurate enough, and because the shuttle bombing missions that actually took place weren't very effective anyway.

And geography, because the death camps were all located in eastern Poland, well past the effective range of England-based bombers/ And they were far enough away from the Red Army that Auschwitz, by that time the only death camp still operating, wasn't overrun until almost the end of January 1945.

*The "Holocaust by Bullets" is something that is largely ignored in the popular history of the Holocaust in America, which concentrates mostly on the camps. It accounted for roughly 1/3 of the victims of the Holocaust. Interestingly, even Soviet historiography comes at it somewhat obliquely, referring to "Innocent Soviet citizens" being killed, without specifically mentioning that they were killed because they were Jews. I first encountered discussion of the "Holocaust by Bullets" in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands. The Holocaust by Bullets by Father Patrick DesBois is one of the most important works on the subject.
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Stalin didn't care about the Jews, His view was all Soviet citizens suffered equally under fascism.

Also my guess is he could blame the nazies for the killing his side had done.
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Smeghead4761 said:

Soviet historiography comes at it somewhat obliquely, referring to "Innocent Soviet citizens" being killed, without specifically mentioning that they were killed because they were Jews.


Given the Russian history of pogroms, I am pleasantly surprised to read that the Soviets even acknowledged that dead Jews were their fellow Soviet citizens.

07ag
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could have done more, but no way to have stopped it entirely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis#The_%22Voyage_of_the_Damned%22
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LMCane
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wrong-

some 800,000 Jews were sent to the camps primarily Auschwitz in mid 1944 mostly from Hungary after the Nazis overran the former Horthy Regime.

the USAF absolutely could have bombed the railroad tracks leading up to Auschwitz
BQ_90
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And they would have rebuilt the lines as fast as they where bombed.
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BQ_90 said:

And they would have rebuilt the lines as fast as they where bombed.


Unfortunately, you are correct.

More generally, I think that there is a tendency to overestimate the efficacy of aerial bombardment, both in the past and in the future.

If you gave me the choice between consuming a million units of the AN-M66 and consuming a million Russians, I am betting on the dead Russians as the faster way to end the Holocaust.
nortex97
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There were options not taken, and information that was suppressed.
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STATE DEPARTMENT OBSTRUCTION EXPOSED

In 1943, Assistant Secretary of State Breckinridge Long blocked information about Nazi atrocities from reaching the United States and misled Congress about the number of refugees admitted into the country.

The Treasury Department presented a report to President Roosevelt in January 1944, arguing for a new government agency devoted to rescuing Jews and other Nazi victims.

In early 1943, US State Department officials blocked reports about the mass murder of Jews from reaching the United States. Some at the State Department wanted to avoid any increase in public pressure to aid Jews and thought that if the American people did not have information about the atrocities, they would not protest.

In April, US and British representatives met in Bermuda to discuss the possibility of assisting European Jews. Neither country, however, intended to loosen its restrictive immigration policies or to actually take any decisive rescue action.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS
In November 1943, a group of congressmen, influenced by activist Peter Bergson, introduced bipartisan resolutions in the House of Representatives and Senate calling for President Roosevelt to create a government commission to rescue Europe's Jews. In secret testimony before Congress, Assistant Secretary of State Breckinridge Long declared that the State Department already had admitted 580,000 refugees, a claim soon publicly proven false.

TREASURY DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION

At the same time, US Treasury Department staff investigated the State Department's delays and obstruction in sending relief into Europe to aid Jewish refugees. They discovered that State Department officials had deliberately suppressed reports about the murder of Jews. Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr. agreed to present their findings to President Roosevelt.

As a result of Treasury's efforts, Roosevelt signed an executive order on January 22, 1944, establishing the War Refugee Board. It was charged with the rescue and relief of victims of Nazi oppression as long as it did not interfere with the war effort.

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The US Government learned about the systematic killing of Jews almost as soon as it began in the Soviet Union in 1941. Throughout the war, however, the Allied governments prioritized defeating Nazism, not saving Jews.

Beyond the military goal of defeating Nazism, the United States could have publicized information about Nazi atrocities, pressured the other Allies and neutral nations to help endangered Jews, and supported resistance groups against the Nazis. Prior to the war, the US government could have enlarged or filled its immigration quotas to allow more Jewish refugees to enter the country. These acts together might have reduced the death toll, but they would not have prevented the Holocaust.

Taking more refugees pre-war would have had the most impact, I believe, but helping resistance groups and prioritizing some logistical interruptions, plus publicizing the atrocities would have aided the victims more I believe, net. In the 30's/before his invasion of Poland I think Hitler would have been quite happy to export more Jews to the United States.

More at the holocaust museum link above.
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The British in particular could have dropped their efforts to block Jewish immigration to "Palestine". It doesn't shut down Auschwitz, but it would have fed less into the meatgrinder.

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In the mid-1920s, Jewish immigration to Palestine increased primarily because of anti-Jewish economic legislation in Poland and Washington's imposition of restrictive quotas.5

The record number of immigrants in 1935 (see table) was a response to the growing persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany. The British administration considered this number too large, however, so the Jewish Agency was informed that less than one-third of the quota it asked for would be approved in 1936.6

The British gave in further to Arab demands by announcing in the 1939 White Paper that an independent Arab state would be created within 10 years, and that Jewish immigration was to be limited to 75,000 for the next five years, after which it was to cease altogether. It also forbade land sales to Jews in 95 percent of the territory of Palestine. The Arabs, nevertheless, rejected the proposal.

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants.7

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922-36 observed: "This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."8

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the "shortfall of land is, we consider, due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population."9

The gates of Palestine remained closed for the duration of the war, stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, many of whom became victims of Hitler's Final Solution. After the war, the British refused to allow the survivors of the Nazi nightmare to find sanctuary in Palestine. On June 6, 1946, President Truman urged the British government to relieve the suffering of the Jews confined to displaced persons camps in Europe by immediately accepting 100,000 Jewish immigrants. Britain's Foreign Minister, Ernest Bevin, replied sarcastically that the United States wanted displaced Jews to immigrate to Palestine "because they did not want too many of them in New York."10

Some Jews were able to reach Palestine, many by way of dilapidated ships that members of the Jewish resistance organizations smuggled in. Between August 1945 and the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, 65 "illegal " immigrant ships, carrying 69,878 people, arrived from European shores. In August 1946, however, the British began to intern those they caught in camps in Cyprus. Approximately 50,000 people were detained in the camps, 28,000 of whom were still imprisoned when Israel declared independence.11

https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/british-restrictions-on-jewish-immigration-to-palestine
Smeghead4761
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In looking to see if any aerial reconnaissance had been done of Auschwitz - because you can't effectively bomb a target without knowing what it looks like - I found this interesting article from Yad Vashem.

When looking at distances, I was thinking from England, when 15th Air Force operating out of Italy was the relevant force.

The first air recon mission to take pictures of Auschwitz did so on April 4, 1944, with a second mission to the area on May 31. But they weren't looking for the camp - they were looking for an IG Farben fuel and rubber plant at Monowitz, 4 km away. Birkenau was photographed during the runs on the IG Farben plant, but was not identified.

There would be two bombing attacks on the IG Farben plant, on August 20 and September 13. The fourth photo on that article actually shows bombs being released over Birkenau, which due to the bombers altitude, actually hit the IG Farben plant.

The article does note that " It should be noted that the photo analysts never realized the significance of Birkenau, although Camp III, which was next to the IG Farben factory was identified as a concentration camp."

That tells me that, if the higher ups in the Allied governments had been informed of the existence of the death camps (which they had been), either they didn't know exactly where the last one still operating was located, or if they did, that had not been communicated to the intel people in 15th AF.

I think it is also worth noting that if you look at the Holocaust monthly death rate graph on page 2 of this article, by the time of the first bombing raid to Monowitz in late August, the killing rate had already dropped sharply, as the Nazis were simply running out of Jews left to kill.

My take: It could have been done, but it was unlikely to have any significant effect, both because strategic bombers at high altitude aren't going to be very effective at hitting a single track (and easily repairable) rail line and are very likely to put a lot of bombs into the camp(s) in trying to hit said rail line, and because by the time American bombers could reach the area, the killing was almost completely over anyway.
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In a widely listened to program the BBC detailed the deaths, and some of the manners of murder, of some 700K Jews in June of 1942. There were also articles related to it published as well. The Allied intelligence agencies knew of the horrific numbers of murders and of the systematic extermination as well.

As mentioned, the largest issue that made the numbers of Jews murdered so high was the fact that immigration was very difficult for most. The fact that the British were always pro-Arab, amazingly so given the Arab support and preference at upper levels for the Axis, played hell on immigration numbers to Palestine. Equally the British didn't offer other immigration locations such as Bagdad or even Iran (where there is still a small Jewish enclave to this day). The U.S. could have also facilitated immigration to the U.S. and or pressured the LatAm countries to accept more Jews. A major problem with the immigration solution was that by the late 30's the Nazi's were basically taking all wealth from any Jews that were allowed to immigrate and those with out the means were just relegated to death.

All of this is a very complex and complicated thing to look at and fathom, especially when one considers the state of Europe in the mid to late 1930's. Truly a very bad chapter of Western Civilization in the 20th century.
Smeghead4761
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Greater willingness to allowing Jews to emigrate might have helped, but not nearly as much as you might think, simply because of where the Jews lived when the war started. Only about 320,000 of the ~6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust lived in areas controlled by Germany prior to September 1, 1939 - Germany, Austria, and Czechia. That's a tad over 5%.

The vast majority of the Jews killed in the Holocaust lived in Poland (~3 million) and the USSR (~1.5 million). What reason did they, or Jews anywhere else in the territories that would be overrun by Germany during the course of the war, have to flee Nazi persecution before the war started? (And in the case of Soviet Jews, I doubt Stalin would have let them leave in any case.)

Even for Jews in the Greater German Reich, I would argue that attempted wholesale extermination was not something that really could have been foreseen.

There's also the problem that even had every Jews in the Reich had the foresight to leave Germany, and been allowed to do so, an awful lot of them would have gone to other countries in Europe. Unless they went to Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, or maybe Finland, all of those countries eventually ended up under German control.
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