Archeology and Controversy on Parade

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Rongagin71
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Pretty good list, definitely entertaining:


And since the Buttermilk Creek site in Texas was mentioned:
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Short summary please? Can you list what archaeological discoveries that the video claims are controversial and why?
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It starts with a quick overview then goes through 15 discoveries that each involve some sort of debate:
Gobelki Tepi
Kennewick Man
Younger Drias Impact
Bosnian Pyramids
Antikythera Mechanism
Tomb of Jesus Family
Shroud of Turin
Sphinx Water Erosion Hypothesis
Nazca Lines
Neanderthal-Human Interbreeding
Vinland Map
Ancient Egyptian Precision Tooling
The Clovis Culture (mention of Buttermilk Creek at 21:30)
Homo Florensis (hobbits)
Lost City of the Monkey God
Jabin
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Thanks! That helps a lot.
Leonard H. Stringfield
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The data collected by at least one research group has found that we had assistance in the construction of the Great Pyramid, Gobekli Tepe and the Nazca lines. Additionally, the burial cloth is legit, but not of who it's been commonly thought of. The data is truly fascinating.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Rongagin71 said:

Pretty good list, definitely entertaining:


And since the Buttermilk Creek site in Texas was mentioned:


I will give the video a chance later tonight (Maybe). But you wanna help me out with the image in the thumbnail? Is that a real physical item or AI generated?

Next question. What is going on in that statue? Cuz it looks kind of dirty.
Rongagin71
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I was disappointed that I could find no explanation of that "architecture?"
It might be from Gobelki Tebi, or it could be AI faked.
The video is pretty good - my guess is that it was put together by a serious group but a different more click bait seeking group took it over and applied that remarkable cover.
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Rongagin71 said:

I was disappointed that I could find no explanation of that "architecture?"
It might be from Gobelki Tebi, or it could be AI faked.
The video is pretty good - my guess is that it was put together by a serious group but a different more click bait seeking group took it over and applied that remarkable cover.


It's not Gobeki, that I'm aware of.

Two of the sites/things in the video I was pretty sure were documented forgeries a while ago. The ossuary and the Vinland map. ( though I never got to that part of the video -turned it off)
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Yeah, that is made clear in the video.
Do you object to the video claiming this was controversial?
I suspect you are so well informed compared to most people that
this list is rather boring news to you.

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As you said, it's not really controversial if it's been put to bed a while ago. I didn't find in objectionable, sorry if I gave that impression. I just didn't finish it because I was familiar with most of them already.
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Regarding Vinland, haven't archaeologists discovered substantial evidence of Norse presence in both Canada and Greenland?

I guess the video specifically addressed the authenticity of the map itself and the origins of the 'Vinland' name.

Edit To Add: OP, I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy '1491' by Charles C. Mann if you haven't read it yet.
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Pretty cool thread;

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The 'shot heard round the world' musket balls recovered?

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Archaeologists excavating Minute Man National Historical Park in Concord, Massachusetts, have discovered five musket balls fired by the colonial militia against the British in the first battle of the Revolutionary War on April 19th, 1775. The musket balls were unearthed by National Parks Services archaeologists at the North Bridge battle site, famed as the place where the colonial militia were for the first time ordered by their leaders to fire on British soldiers.

It was Ralph Waldo Emerson who coined the phrase "The shot heard round the world" to describe the militia firing on the regulars at North Bridge in his 1837 poem "Concord Hymn." The first shots on that day actually took place on Lexington Green at 5 AM. It was a chaotic and brief scuffle triggered when a shot of unknown source was fired and the British infantry charged the militia. The militia company's commander, Captain Parker, had no intention of engaging the regular troops and ordered his men to disband when he saw the regulars approach. The British attacked quickly, bayonetting the militia men on the green and shooting at them when they retreated.
The history blog is great, fyi. More.
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nortex97
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Another cool archeological find/dig:







More at the thread.
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I have a feeling the pyramids are older then 5000 years old
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Archelogy is based on limited data. Interpretation of the data can be different between two or more highly qualified individuals.. Sorry that fact, does not make it "controversial"
Leonard H. Stringfield
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Rongagin71 said:

It starts with a quick overview then goes through 15 discoveries that each involve some sort of debate:
Gobelki Tepi
Kennewick Man
Younger Drias Impact
Bosnian Pyramids
Antikythera Mechanism
Tomb of Jesus Family
Shroud of Turin
Sphinx Water Erosion Hypothesis
Nazca Lines
Neanderthal-Human Interbreeding
Vinland Map
Ancient Egyptian Precision Tooling
The Clovis Culture (mention of Buttermilk Creek at 21:30)
Homo Florensis (hobbits)
Lost City of the Monkey God

There is some interesting data coming from projects involving 3 of these.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Farsight Institute, Atlanta, GA

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78669AG said:

https://youtu.be/oDoM4BmoDQM?si=ume5XeuVQv4UuCezD]
A project was done involving this surface feature suggesting is was not related to any ancient civilization.

Fascinating data however.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

Are A&M's core values..optional? Who has the POWER to determine that? Are certain departments exempt? Why?

Farsight Institute, Atlanta, GA

78669AG
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Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

https://youtu.be/oDoM4BmoDQM?si=ume5XeuVQv4UuCezD]
A project was done involving this surface feature suggesting is was not related to any ancient civilization.

Fascinating data however.


Don't they all say that though? It's like historians don't want to have to rewrite the history book on man kind so they'll just ignore it
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78669AG said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

https://youtu.be/oDoM4BmoDQM?si=ume5XeuVQv4UuCezD]
A project was done involving this surface feature suggesting is was not related to any ancient civilization.

Fascinating data however.


Don't they all say that though? It's like historians don't want to have to rewrite the history book on man kind so they'll just ignore it
Much is said, not all have data.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

Are A&M's core values..optional? Who has the POWER to determine that? Are certain departments exempt? Why?

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Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

https://youtu.be/oDoM4BmoDQM?si=ume5XeuVQv4UuCezD]
A project was done involving this surface feature suggesting is was not related to any ancient civilization.

Fascinating data however.


Don't they all say that though? It's like historians don't want to have to rewrite the history book on man kind so they'll just ignore it
Much is said, not all have data.
I am not familiar with the Jesus Family tomb, what is that and is there any data or materials?
Leonard H. Stringfield
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

Leonard H. Stringfield said:

78669AG said:

https://youtu.be/oDoM4BmoDQM?si=ume5XeuVQv4UuCezD]
A project was done involving this surface feature suggesting is was not related to any ancient civilization.

Fascinating data however.


Don't they all say that though? It's like historians don't want to have to rewrite the history book on man kind so they'll just ignore it
Much is said, not all have data.
I am not familiar with the Jesus Family tomb, what is that and is there any data or materials?
Not familiar with this.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

Are A&M's core values..optional? Who has the POWER to determine that? Are certain departments exempt? Why?

Farsight Institute, Atlanta, GA

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I think it's pretty…sketchy, at best. I assume this is the one referenced. Stone carvings found after 2,000 years without any other real dating/materiels available seem…doubtful.

And James and Jesus (or Aramaic versions aka yeshua) were quite common names.

There are still cool discoveries/restorations being made though of stone stuff.
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Neat thread on arenas/theaters;

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Not sure where to put this;

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Ramses II sword discovered;
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An ancient sword believed to have belonged to the army of the Egyptian pharaoh whom Moses liberated the Israelites from in the Old Testament was unearthed by archaeologists, officials say.
The bronze weapon was found in an excavation site in the Hosh Issa district of Beheira Governorate, in the northern part of the country, Egypt's Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities said in a September 4 press release.
The recent archaeological mission, led by Dr. Ahmed Said El-Kharadly of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, uncovered a "series of mudbrick architectural units, including military barracks for soldiers and storage rooms for weapons, food, and provisions from the New Kingdom era."
Numerous historical artifacts belonging to the soldiers once housed in the barracks were also found, including the sword.
The civilization's New Kingdom era, which spanned nearly 500 years from 1550 BC to 1070 BC, was defined in part by the massive influence and power of Ramses II, the pharaoh who is often thought to be the one referenced in theBible's Book of Exodus.
A photo of the sword shows a hieroglyphic symbol of the pharaoh:
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Amazing find and thanks for posting.

However, the internal evidence from the Bible strongly indicates that the Exodus occurred in 1446 BC, long before Thutmose II (1279-1213 BC?). Amenhotep II is a better candidate for the Pharaoh of the Exodus. See, e.g., Amenhotep II as Pharaoh of the Exodus (biblearchaeology.org)
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You are probably right. All that stuff baffles me as to how the timelines match up. Middle 15th century BCE, I guess.



I'm out of my depth on most all of this Egyptian stuff even more than the other Old Testament timelines/history.
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Amazing.
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Cool. 84 meter mosaic discovered intact in Turkey.
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Unique features
What sets this mosaic apart is not only its size but also its artistic detail. Featuring a variety of animal and plant depictions, including lions, mountain goats, ducks, and trees, the mosaic is noted for its unique borders and geometric patterns.
Elazig Governor Numan Hatipoglu described it as one of the largest mosaic pieces discovered in the region, showcasing a vibrant representation of local wildlife and flora.
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