Last civil war pensioner dies

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Seriously, this woman's dad fought in the civil war, and she was alive until yesterday. Amazing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/last-person-to-receive-a-civil-war-era-pension-dies/ar-BB14WxEa
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It is still mind blowing that there are people alive who shook hands with Clvil War veterans. Granted they themselves are very old but it's still crazy when it comes down to it.

Here's a list I came across a while back that should blow some minds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_surviving_United_States_war_veterans
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I remember reading a post from an Auburn fan after the 2012 rout. Something to the effect that the last time Auburn was beaten that bad there were civil war vets sitting in the stands. It made my head spin then. This is truly crazy.
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JABQ04 said:

It is still mind blowing that there are people alive who shook hands with Clvil War veterans. Granted they themselves are very old but it's still crazy when it comes down to it.

Here's a list I came across a while back that should blow some minds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_surviving_United_States_war_veterans
Interesting list. Didn't realize the last of the AVG passed this year.
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Austin had annual day at Barton springs to honor Civil War vets ( all Southerners ) - I remember during the rites the vets would

do the Rebel yell ! 1930s.

GGFather died age 90 - 1934 Allens Regt. Co.B 3 years service . Lived outside of Waterson - almost sure I visited him with my parents when a cousin was born but don't remember .
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My GG grandfather, RP Ray, was born in 1850 and died in 1945. He was 13 in 1863 when he joined up with Adam R Johnson's Kentucky Partisan Rangers (10th KY Cav)...he ended up following Johnson to Burnet, County Texas after the war. My mom, still living, knew him quite well. He got a whopping $9 a month for his Confederate pension. He attended many Confederate Veterans Reunions at Camp Ben McCullough, and was elected Commander from 1942-44.
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Everybody has 8 Great Great Grandfathers, unless something weird went on,. 7 of mine served in the WONA, the 8th didn't get to America until the 1870's. My dad's great grandfathers all served in Hood's Brigade. On my mother's side, one of her great grandfathers was a doctor in the Confederate Army. Another, who was a Mexican War vet, served as a drill sergeant in Iowa for the Union Army. That leaves the one I know the most about, A.A. Wheeler, who served in Col. F. W. Robertson's Missouri cavalry regiment. That's my mothers, mothers, mothers father. There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales .Please note the Iowa and Missouri references, my granddad told me that was a real problem between the families when he and my grandmother first started seeing each other.

Problem I have now, is when I tell these stories of the family history to my grandchildren, they feel that their ancestors service in the Confederate Army is something of which they need to be ashamed.
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Which unit in Hoods Texas Brigade?
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Can't help you with that. Makes me wish I'd paid more attention to my grandfather and grandmother and their brothers when they told the stories.
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If you know their names a google search could find out simple enough.
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President John Tyler has two grandsons still alive.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-two-of-president-john-tylers-grandsons-are-still-alive/
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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aggiejim70 said:

Everybody has 8 Great Great Grandfathers, unless something weird went on,. 7 of mine served in the WONA, the 8th didn't get to America until the 1870's. My dad's great grandfathers all served in Hood's Brigade. On my mother's side, one of her great grandfathers was a doctor in the Confederate Army. Another, who was a Mexican War vet, served as a drill sergeant in Iowa for the Union Army. That leaves the one I know the most about, A.A. Wheeler, who served in Col. F. W. Robertson's Missouri cavalry regiment. That's my mothers, mothers, mothers father. There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales .Please note the Iowa and Missouri references, my granddad told me that was a real problem between the families when he and my grandmother first started seeing each other.

Problem I have now, is when I tell these stories of the family history to my grandchildren, they feel that their ancestors service in the Confederate Army is something of which they need to be ashamed.


Yes I know how many GG grandfathers one had. I was just commenting on one living til 1945. I think you should be honest about your family's history. We cannot change it. Obviously they felt passionate enough to fight for a "cause", but doesn't mean their personal cause was to keep slavery. Of the 3 GGG's I know of who fought for the Confederacy, none were slave owners, and one even wrote it was wrong. One of mine who was too young to fight ended up becoming a noted Texas train and bank robber, and a new book about him says "that he and his gang were psychopathic, sadistic and murderous, and you will find no social-redeeming qualities in them!" Probably true!! My brother and I own the pistol he killed and robbed with. He raised some fine children however, and we confront his story with all honesty.
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Who is your train robber?
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New World Ag said:

President John Tyler has two grandsons still alive.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-two-of-president-john-tylers-grandsons-are-still-alive/

I've been re-reading this, and it seems like they only cover one of the grandsons and don't mention the 2nd.

I can't even find the name of the 2nd one in that article, but maybe I'm missing it. It is (was) Lyon Gardiner Tyler Jr.

Talk about being overshadowed by younger brother.
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Bighunter43 said:

BQ78 said:

Who is your train robber?


Bill Whitley....this is link is "somewhat" correct, but not entirely! He robbed 3 trains, not one, and he was the only gang member present when when killed in Floresville by several U.S. Marshall's and other lawmen after the botched train hold up at Harwood.

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/william-whitley/



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aggiejim70 said:

Can't help you with that. Makes me wish I'd paid more attention to my grandfather and grandmother and their brothers when they told the stories.


Do you know which county he lived in?
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Bighunter43 said:

aggiejim70 said:

Everybody has 8 Great Great Grandfathers, unless something weird went on,. 7 of mine served in the WONA, the 8th didn't get to America until the 1870's. My dad's great grandfathers all served in Hood's Brigade. On my mother's side, one of her great grandfathers was a doctor in the Confederate Army. Another, who was a Mexican War vet, served as a drill sergeant in Iowa for the Union Army. That leaves the one I know the most about, A.A. Wheeler, who served in Col. F. W. Robertson's Missouri cavalry regiment. That's my mothers, mothers, mothers father. There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales .Please note the Iowa and Missouri references, my granddad told me that was a real problem between the families when he and my grandmother first started seeing each other.

Problem I have now, is when I tell these stories of the family history to my grandchildren, they feel that their ancestors service in the Confederate Army is something of which they need to be ashamed.


Yes I know how many GG grandfathers one had. I was just commenting on one living til 1945. I think you should be honest about your family's history. We cannot change it. Obviously they felt passionate enough to fight for a "cause", but doesn't mean their personal cause was to keep slavery. Of the 3 GGG's I know of who fought for the Confederacy, none were slave owners, and one even wrote it was wrong. One of mine who was too young to fight ended up becoming a noted Texas train and bank robber, and a new book about him says "that he and his gang were psychopathic, sadistic and murderous, and you will find no social-redeeming qualities in them!" Probably true!! My brother and I own the pistol he killed and robbed with. He raised some fine children however, and we confront his story with all honesty.
There's no reason to be ashamed and every reason to be proud. Teach your grandchildren the truth. The "cause" of the Confederacy was to leave the Unionsomething which sovereign states have a right to do. Lincoln invaded to prevent the federal government from losing the vast majority of its tax revenue.
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My GG brother was killed at Gettysburg. GG settled in falls county in the 1870s. My granddad was in WW 1. I am 58 years old
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One of them died...

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/timesdispatch/name/lyon-tyler-obituary?pid=196886231&fbclid=IwAR3jTu4Oid0YHKQFW19FggndZ1fD8V-zi05t0WfQxubbDsy4G-WsiWL0bEk
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Bighunter43 said:

My GG grandfather, RP Ray, was born in 1850 and died in 1945. He was 13 in 1863 when he joined up with Adam R Johnson's Kentucky Partisan Rangers (10th KY Cav)...he ended up following Johnson to Burnet, County Texas after the war. My mom, still living, knew him quite well. He got a whopping $9 a month for his Confederate pension. He attended many Confederate Veterans Reunions at Camp Ben McCullough, and was elected Commander from 1942-44.
Brig. Gen. Adam Johnson was married to a GGAunt . He was blinded by friendly fire.

His troops took a town in Indiana showing a stovepipe as a piece of artillery and threatening

to blow up the town ! He wrote a memoir re: The Partisan Rangers .
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There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales
Josey Wales was a fictional character!

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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Bighunter43 said:

My GG grandfather, RP Ray, was born in 1850 and died in 1945. He was 13 in 1863 when he joined up with Adam R Johnson's Kentucky Partisan Rangers (10th KY Cav)...he ended up following Johnson to Burnet, County Texas after the war. My mom, still living, knew him quite well. He got a whopping $9 a month for his Confederate pension. He attended many Confederate Veterans Reunions at Camp Ben McCullough, and was elected Commander from 1942-44.
Brig. Gen. Adam Johnson was married to a GGAunt . He was blinded by friendly fire.

His troops took a town in Indiana showing a stovepipe as a piece of artillery and threatening

to blow up the town ! He wrote a memoir re: The Partisan Rangers .
I've got the book: The Partisan Rangers. I also think Johnson built a huge house near Burnet called Rocky Rest.
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Apache said:

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There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales
Josey Wales was a fictional character!


The Outlaw Josey Wales
There is usually a grain of truth to most legends and so it is with Josey Wales. More than a grain in this case, however...more like a whole bushel basket!
Josey Wales was based on a real man and one that was reputedly as tough, violent and vengeful as Wales. But, unlike the movie, the real man did not have as his driving force a vengeance for a family murdered by Yankee soldiers. But his family was rousted from their house and their homestead burned to the ground by Yankee troops.
The "real Josey Wales" was a Confederate guerilla fighter, a "bushwacker," an associate of Quantrill's Raiders, deadly shot, and killer of many. He was born William "Bill" Wilson in the Ozarks Mountains of Missouri of a well-to-do family. He grew into a very tall, dark and handsome man - 6'2", with jet black curly hair and sparkling crystal blue eyes. He was an amiable fellow, good-natured, clever, and skilled at playing the violin, so he was always in demand for weddings and parties.
His nimble fingers were not only quick on the fiddle, however. They were quick on the trigger as well. He was a deadly shot and always had on both hips two .44-calibre six shooters. He was a sure-shot at a stand-still but also practiced assiduously shooting on the run from the back of his horse.
Bill's father was a prosperous farmer who had made pains to remain neutral in the violently split border state of Missouri. He had owned several slaves, but freed them before the War and advised his grown children to remain as neutral as possible. But, in the summer of 1861, just after the War had started, some horses were stolen from the Yankee forces in the area, allegedly by Confederate guerillas. Bill Wilson was immediately regarded as a suspect. A few days later, a group of Yankee solders raided his home, threw out his family, stole everything they could and set the entire homestead on fire. That was the end of Bill's "neutrality."
He moved his family to a small cabin on his parents' farm and began a campaign of blood vengeance that would become legend in the Ozark Mountains, then the entire country.
Bodies of Yankee soldiers started showing up everywhere. The first victims were the four Yankees who had raided his farm. He hid in the trees by the trail leading back to the Yankee army headquarters at Rolla, Missouri, and waited for the soldiers. With both of his revolvers drawn, he surprised them on the road and killed all four.
Killing Yankees had a side benefit: Bill confiscated their Army mounts and supplied Quantrill's Raiders with mounts for their many raids. Bill Wilson became known as "The Great Bushwacker" because he ambushed his many victims. The number of Yankees that Wilson killed is unknown - according to the legend, possibly dozens.
When the War ended, there was a $300 bounty on him, an immense amount at that time. He rode to Texas with as many as 150 other Quantrill Raiders to hide out. Some brokered pardons with the U.S. government, but Bill Wilson never did. He continued to make trips back to Missouri to visit his family and was welcomed by the Ozark mountain people as a folk hero.
Bill Wilson lived near Sherman, Texas, and married an Indian woman named Mary Ann Noaks in April, 1865. Later, about 1869, he was selling a wagon load of apples in McKinney, Texas, when two men spied him. They decided to rob him and ambushed him north of the small frontier town of Van Alstyne, shot him many times to ensure that he was dead, robbed him and buried him in a shallow grave. The two desperadoes were later caught, confessed and were hanged in Sherman on March 26, 1869. But Bill's grave was never found.
For about 60 years, Bill Wilson's legend continued to survive in the South. Then one of his descendants, George Clinton Arthur, wrote a biography about Wilson in 1938: "Bushwacker: Missouri's Most Infamous Desperado."
It would be another 30 years before another book would be written about Bill Wilson and this one would lead to the famous movie. In 1972, author Forrest Carter wrote "The Rebel Outlaw: Josey Wales." Carter sent the book to Clint Eastwood's office as an unsolicited submission. Eastwood's partner read it and suggested buying the rights. (The same book was later re-released by the publisher with a new name, "Gone to Texas," and that is the title that is credited in the movie credits).
"The Outlaw Josey Wales," was released in 1976. The film was a great commercial and artistic success and has become a cult classic. In 1996, the film was selected for preservation in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress for being deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."
The movie portrays Native Americans and especially an old Cherokee man as very sympathetically and fellow renegades and free spirits, like Wales.
The last scene of "The Outlaw Josey Wales," has a sweet resonance and resolution - and a little inside joke for history lovers who know the real story behind the legend. When the men who have been hunting Wales finally think they have found him in a bar in Santa Rio, TX, a prostitute and other locals cover for the outlaw, saying that Wales was killed in a shoot-out in Monterrey, Mexico. They vouch for Josey, saying that he is a local. As he enters the saloon, one of them greets him, saying: "Mr. Wilson..."




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How does one have 8 GG's?
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tamc1956ag said:

How does one have 8 GG's?
Work with me. Most people have one father, two grandfathers, four great grandfathers, and 8 great great grandfathers.
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aggiejim70 said:

Everybody has 8 Great Great Grandfathers, unless something weird went on,. 7 of mine served in the WONA, the 8th didn't get to America until the 1870's. My dad's great grandfathers all served in Hood's Brigade. On my mother's side, one of her great grandfathers was a doctor in the Confederate Army. Another, who was a Mexican War vet, served as a drill sergeant in Iowa for the Union Army. That leaves the one I know the most about, A.A. Wheeler, who served in Col. F. W. Robertson's Missouri cavalry regiment. That's my mothers, mothers, mothers father. There's a good chance he shook hands with Frank and Jessie James, Quantrell (sp?), Bill Anderson, and Josey Wales .Please note the Iowa and Missouri references, my granddad told me that was a real problem between the families when he and my grandmother first started seeing each other.

Problem I have now, is when I tell these stories of the family history to my grandchildren, they feel that their ancestors service in the Confederate Army is something of which they need to be ashamed.


Tell the grandkids the truth and put a bumper sticker on your truck or car
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