Wow, that's...refreshing? I'm biased because it's very similar to how I already eat - lots of fresh produce, protein at every meal. I feel great eating like this!

But where are the bugs? I've been told cricket paste is the future!

I ain't mad about it.

It raises the floor for protein intake- which is the biggest thing that has been needed in recommendations for the longest time

And it still emphasizes fruits and vegetables, which are still very very helpful for an overall balanced diet

This makes me happy.

ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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Yep

Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Make no mistake about it… as much as I believe in a protein first diet… there is absolutely no way this new food pyramid wasn't influenced by big Food lobbyists. And you are kidding yourself if you think the big animal based product push is some organic grassroots things started by influencers who just care about your health.

At least ot acknowledges reality in a modern context. I am sure some lobbyists tried to have a big of sway but this is a Kennedy and an Aggie sort of combined on this and not likely to allow undue industry influence to manipulate what they understand to be valid policy. As it turns out, many primates are very omnivorous and meat protein sources are beneficial to nutrition

ATM9000 said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Make no mistake about it… as much as I believe in a protein first diet… there is absolutely no way this new food pyramid wasn't influenced by big Food lobbyists. And you are kidding yourself if you think the big animal based product push is some organic grassroots things started by influencers who just care about your health.

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Big beef and big dairy all over this.

Tailgate88 said:

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The Pilot said:

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ATM9000 said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Make no mistake about it… as much as I believe in a protein first diet… there is absolutely no way this new food pyramid wasn't influenced by big Food lobbyists. And you are kidding yourself if you think the big animal based product push is some organic grassroots things started by influencers who just care about your health.

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Big beef and big dairy all over this.

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Better than big sugar and big soda…

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For sure… but I guess this is where I get confused: I don't think there's much evidence of big sugar or big soda on the old pyramid or my plate.

end of the day, none of this matters if people insist on eating 2 pyramids or 2 myplate.gov plates instead of 1.

Glad to finally see some truth from our government.

Overall I like it. The overall focus is on "real" and "whole" foods while minimizing processed stuff and sugar. There are a few things that I think probably could be switched around. And a few things that probably are not going to be good for the majority of Americans that have some level of insulin resistance or metabolic syndrome. But if they can control their portions and lose weight, then it wouldn't affect them as much.

Personally, I eat pretty similar to this, but probably less meat on most days.

I take it "big apple" got some play so that apples were higher on the pyramid and not down with grapes and bananas where I'd put them.

Totally agree with berries being the highest common fruit pictured on the pyramid. It's expensive AF, but you add a lot of micronutrients and fiber to your diet by replacing fruit servings with raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.

Not a big deal, but I did have little pause at the fruit choices on the pyramid.

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I take it "big apple" got some play so that apples were higher on the pyramid and not down with grapes and bananas where I'd put them.

Totally agree with berries being the highest common fruit pictured on the pyramid. It's expensive AF, but you add a lot of micronutrients and fiber to your diet by replacing fruit servings with raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.

Not a big deal, but I did have little pause at the fruit choices on the pyramid.

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Random, legit callout. Not sure why apples are up there. I stick to berries. I eat alot of blueberries.

Apples tend to be inexpensive, last in storage a long time, and have a variety of types to pick from. Great fresh or cooked. It's a very accessible fruit. I eat one every day (Kanzi).

Interestingly, something pointed out to me, is that the text that explains the food pyramid and healthy food choices doesn't exactly correlate to the pyramid. For example, this promotes high levels of food containing saturated fat, but the text guidelines still say limit saturated fat to 10%. Whole grains are also recommended to be 2-4 servings a day, but are at the bottom, but it also says have 2 servings of fruit and 3 servings of vegetables per day.

Also, the highest fruit on there appears to be a tomato.

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Apples tend to be inexpensive, last in storage a long time, and have a variety of types to pick from. Great fresh or cooked. It's a very accessible fruit. I eat one every day (Kanzi).

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I also assume the fact that so many that are in american grocers are US produced had a hand in that too.

While not a bad food by any means, there are better choices within fruits (if where it's placed on the pyramid is to have meaning).

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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Interestingly, something pointed out to me, is that the text that explains the food pyramid and healthy food choices doesn't exactly correlate to the pyramid. For example, this promotes high levels of food containing saturated fat, but the text guidelines still say limit saturated fat to 10%. Whole grains are also recommended to be 2-4 servings a day, but are at the bottom, but it also says have 2 servings of fruit and 3 servings of vegetables per day.

Also, the highest fruit on there appears to be a tomato.

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The entire text comes across as a group of people who had polarizing disagreements had to come up with a finished product. The end result is that it is not terribly different from MyPlate, which replaced the original food pyramid in 2011

The single biggest benefit, in my opinion, is the recommendation to increase the protein floor, which the literature has been screaming about for a while now.

Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Do we need a food pyramid really? I mean, the ones it is designed to target are not the ones that are ever likely to follow it. And, if one actually followed the old one, they'd have been fine. The old pyramid wasn't really the issue. As was said above, the explosion of extremely tasty, overly processed cheap food with too much sugar and fat is the reason along with the accessibility to it. People like a lot of us already eat correctly. And lets face it, how and what you eat is dependent on one's goals. If I am trying to lean down, or if one needs to lose weight, a lot of lean proteins, veggies, less fruit and whole grains and less fat is the key. If one is trying to maintain it is different-keep doing what you doing. If you need to gain weight, keep the lean protein, up the whole grains and fruit and some fats...

Where I stand on this is I would stress lean proteins at the top, veggies, fruit and whole grains in middle and fats towards the bottom. I would for sure place the cheese and butter at the bottom, not top. They are too calorie rich and taste too good to have at the top. I do like that they focus on dairy fats from (non cheese) sources like whole milk and whole greek yogurt.

Capitol Ag said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Do we need a food pyramid really? I mean, the ones it is designed to target are not the ones that are ever likely to follow it. And, if one actually followed the old one, they'd have been fine. The old pyramid wasn't really the issue. As was said above, the explosion of extremely tasty, overly processed cheap food with too much sugar and fat is the reason along with the accessibility to it. People like a lot of us already eat correctly. And lets face it, how and what you eat is dependent on one's goals. If I am trying to lean down, or if one needs to lose weight, a lot of lean proteins, veggies, less fruit and whole grains and less fat is the key. If one is trying to maintain it is different-keep doing what you doing. If you need to gain weight, keep the lean protein, up the whole grains and fruit and some fats...

Where I stand on this is I would stress lean proteins at the top, veggies, fruit and whole grains in middle and fats towards the bottom. I would for sure place the cheese and butter at the bottom, not top. They are too calorie rich and taste too good to have at the top. I do like that they focus on dairy fats from (non cheese) sources like whole milk and whole greek yogurt.

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That's my point.

I know people bag on it, but I thought MyPlate.gov did what you'd want it to do more than any food pyramid in that it at least tried to conceptualize servings to get to nutritional goals.

Oh… and also: when I plug my weight and activity set in to it guess what? It's pretty close to the low end of the higher protein recommendation the new pyramid makes already if I just look at standard things like milk for the dairy and chicken breast for the protein. So… I'm not sure the recommendation to up the protein is actually as new guidance as people think it is.

And I'm glad you say fats at the bottom. I get the importance of them but… small misses on fat in a diet are way more costly than small misses on protein or carbs. And the small misses matter a ton to an average eater.

Capitol Ag said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Do we need a food pyramid really? I mean, the ones it is designed to target are not the ones that are ever likely to follow it. And, if one actually followed the old one, they'd have been fine. The old pyramid wasn't really the issue. As was said above, the explosion of extremely tasty, overly processed cheap food with too much sugar and fat is the reason along with the accessibility to it. People like a lot of us already eat correctly. And lets face it, how and what you eat is dependent on one's goals. If I am trying to lean down, or if one needs to lose weight, a lot of lean proteins, veggies, less fruit and whole grains and less fat is the key. If one is trying to maintain it is different-keep doing what you doing. If you need to gain weight, keep the lean protein, up the whole grains and fruit and some fats...

Where I stand on this is I would stress lean proteins at the top, veggies, fruit and whole grains in middle and fats towards the bottom. I would for sure place the cheese and butter at the bottom, not top. They are too calorie rich and taste too good to have at the top. I do like that they focus on dairy fats from (non cheese) sources like whole milk and whole greek yogurt.

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It's going to get produced so it should reflect the truth regardless if many are going to actually follow it. At least it tells you that the government pays attention every now and then.

ATM9000 said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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Tailgate88 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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I eat fairly close to the new pyramid.

But… let's be real here: nobody got obese by adhering to the food pyramid and this new food pyramid isn't curbing anybody's habits.

High calorie and high fat food weren't created because of the food pyramid. Restaurants don't serve up what they do because the government said so. It's all out there because that's what the people want.

The harsh reality is the obesity epidemic is a cultural problem WAY bigger than government guidance nobody adheres to. If this were a serious push to curb disease, there'd be a massive push to curb the food lobby and a lot of tightened regulation on the food supply. And the unintended consequence of that would probably be higher grocery bills and food costs. Which in itself might force the issue in that people maybe wouldn't be able to afford going out to eat as much.

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I agree and I blue starred your post. But it's a start, and it certainly can't hurt to have a food pyramid designed by people who care about health rather than one designed by the Big Food lobby to sell more product.

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Do we need a food pyramid really? I mean, the ones it is designed to target are not the ones that are ever likely to follow it. And, if one actually followed the old one, they'd have been fine. The old pyramid wasn't really the issue. As was said above, the explosion of extremely tasty, overly processed cheap food with too much sugar and fat is the reason along with the accessibility to it. People like a lot of us already eat correctly. And lets face it, how and what you eat is dependent on one's goals. If I am trying to lean down, or if one needs to lose weight, a lot of lean proteins, veggies, less fruit and whole grains and less fat is the key. If one is trying to maintain it is different-keep doing what you doing. If you need to gain weight, keep the lean protein, up the whole grains and fruit and some fats...

Where I stand on this is I would stress lean proteins at the top, veggies, fruit and whole grains in middle and fats towards the bottom. I would for sure place the cheese and butter at the bottom, not top. They are too calorie rich and taste too good to have at the top. I do like that they focus on dairy fats from (non cheese) sources like whole milk and whole greek yogurt.

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That's my point.

I know people bag on it, but I thought MyPlate.gov did what you'd want it to do more than any food pyramid in that it at least tried to conceptualize servings to get to nutritional goals.

Oh… and also: when I plug my weight and activity set in to it guess what? It's pretty close to the low end of the higher protein recommendation the new pyramid makes already if I just look at standard things like milk for the dairy and chicken breast for the protein. So… I'm not sure the recommendation to up the protein is actually as new guidance as people think it is.

And I'm glad you say fats at the bottom. I get the importance of them but… small misses on fat in a diet are way more costly than small misses on protein or carbs. And the small misses matter a ton to an average eater.

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Agree. The recommendations are in my mind low. But I am not average. I typical day is 200g. Thats over 1g per body weight for me. Especially at 178-180lbs. 1.1g or so....Again, case by case basis is best. .6-.8 is plenty for most. Even some trained individuals.