I know we've done this a bunch of times, but curious what people are wearing as new brands pop up.

I love Path Projects, but they just aren't durable enough. The material only lasts a year before it rips/tears, and i expect more out of something "expensive." I'll still probably buy their liners, b/c those things are great, but I'm done spending money on their shorts.

I need something with a zipper pocket big enough to throw my phone in, bonus points if that pocket is sweat/water resistant. And probably another pocket to throw some nutrition in if i'm running something long enough to require it, but not long enough that i want to carry my hydration vest.

I really enjoy Fabletics, but I don't think that it meets your requirements.

I really like the REI co-op Swiftland shorts - both the 5" for road and 7" for trail running.

My go to for my longer runs are still Lululemon.

They're expensive, but I have pairs that are easily 5+ years old. I've tried Path Projects (agree on the liners), Vuori, Dick's comparable brand (VRST?), etc.

I wear the Pacebreaker lined shorts. They don't have a zipper pocket for the phone, but do have a slide in slot for it in the liner, which is kind of nice as it's more secure. If I'm taking my phone on a long run, I generally put it in a ziploc and in that pocket.

They do have liner less, not sure if they have a different phone solution for those.

I've never run in anything more than standard Nike or Adidas. I can certainly see the difference between those and bargain brands like Academy's BCG. But what are the benefits of the more expensive "boutique" brands?

My experience, better fit and quality.

I have various Nike shorts and similar brands. I've had much more variation in sizing with those brands than the more expensive brands.

The quality is also better. The material dries faster, doesn't bunch, zippers don't get stuck, etc. My boutique brands also last twice as long as the Nike and similar brands.

And to me the liner makes all the difference. Other than Path Projects' separate liners, I haven't found a built in running liner I find as comfortable for long runs as Lululemon.

It's also not like those shorts are significantly cheaper. I mean you're talking like $55 vs. $60-70. Granted, more likely to go on sale....

ETA: I'll also say I'm a bigger guy. So I can get a lot of rubbing going on if liners bunch up and prefer the boxer brief style liners for that reason. For some, that obviously isn't an issue.

i don't do any sort of built in liner anymore. I want the short and the liner to be able to move independently. built in liners shift with the shorts and cause chafing. Its not going to happen on a 4 or 5 mile run, but it definitely happens to me in ultras. I cut the liner out of shorts, if they have one.

I also find that the the materials themselves tend to be less likely to chafe and dry faster than the major brands. Back in my road marathoning days, I worked indirectly for Nike, so I was swoosh from head to to for a number of years. Their gear was fine, but there weren't a lot of other options outside of the major brands 15+ years ago.

pockets are usually better places, and are zippered. When I put something in my pocket while running, i don't want it bouncing around. That doesn't matter much if I'm running a 3 miler in the neighborhood, but I carry a lot more crap on me when i'm doing a long run on the trail. And even if I have my pack on, I'll throw certain things in my pocket so i don't have to dig around in my vest for them.

To me, they are just more comfortable, which is very important to me when I'm wearing it for close to 30 hours sometimes.

And lastly, the higher quality shorts (and shirts) tend to not smell like a lot of my other gear.

Ah, thanks. What are your go to for liners?

path project

I'm been running in Rabbit for a couple years now and really like their stuff. Generally I just wait for a close out sale. Lots of different models with pocket configs.
For a marathon, I put a pair of under armor boxer briefs underneath and that works for me.

Favorites are Rabbit Beach Breakers. Very well made, lots of pockets (two zippered), they do have a liner though.

Amazon - brand called Northyard. Plenty of zipper pockets, un-lined, 5", 7", and 9" lengths. ~$20

NoahAg said:

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Ah, thanks. What are your go to for liners?

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Amazon - David Archy. Rayon. 7 marathons, virtually no chafing.

Thanks

Tried lots of different shorts but always come back to the Brooks Sherpa 5". They just fit me right. The pockets definitely don't meet your criteria though.

Not sure how anyone runs in Lulus, I have multiple pairs of the pace breakers and I love them for around the house (I especially love the zipper phone pocket), but even walking 2 miles in them is pretty miserable, no way could I run in them.

Why do you think they'd be miserable? It's my go to choice for long runs. Never done ultras, but multiple marathons.

I prefer running shorts with liners in them in, the liners in the pacemakers have way too much material and are too absorbent, they get heavy and bind up real bad when they get sweaty.

I love the liner less pace breaker for daily wear but even those are a little more material then I care for in a running short And I would still need to add some sort of liner.

I was curious when you said it doesn't have a zipper pocket, all the pairs I own have a zipper pocket pocket. That's perfect for my phone. Size is perfect and the location is great because it rides high on your hip and doesn't move around when you walk

Aggie00 - I assume when you say you use a separate liner with your running shorts that those are essentially underwear for lack of a better analogy? You don't find them too heavy?

That's one of the reasons I've always stuck to the Brooks Sherpas, the liners and them are very thin so they don't absorb any moisture and they don't add any extra weight as I sweat

Interesting. I'm a very heavy sweater, just finished running 3 miles and my shirt is soaked halfway down. I've had the opposite experience with their liner. Do the Brooks you're running in have the brief style liner? Only Brooks style I've run in were brief style. I know lululemon standard is boxer briefs style. You used to also be able to get brief style, not sure if you can anymore. I still have a couple pairs that are probably 8 years old.

Mine have the zipper pocket on the right hip but seems too small for a phone? Maybe not, I've honestly never tried. I rarely run with a phone.

Also, haven't bought a pair in a couple years and the designs do change slightly year to year.

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Aggie00 - I assume when you say you use a separate liner with your running shorts that those are essentially underwear for lack of a better analogy? You don't find them too heavy?

That's one of the reasons I've always stuck to the Brooks Sherpas, the liners and them are very thin so they don't absorb any moisture and they don't add any extra weight as I sweat

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the style of liner i wear are a boxer brief style. i don't find them heavy at all. almost don't notice them. wet or dry.

Path project liner is essential IMO

I have been using their short too

But have been doing a lot more off the bike running in my tri shorts or Tri Suit and really like the way I feel running in tights. Anyone have a recommendation for running short tights? I have the hoka long tights for winter running.

And fwiw, I wear merino exclusively on top. Won't ever go back to nasty polyester. Merinoprotect, merinotech, smartwool...whatever is on sale for $40.

For whatever reason, merino shorts have never really caught on. I guess it's because people want lined stuff because they haven't discovered bamboo underwear yet.

Rabbit is having a 25% off today with code FALLISHERE
https://www.runinrabbit.com/

Hey, I made the Rabbit website. I'm in the Kofuzi/Rabbit Boston Shakeout Run photo.

Good deals there, Rabbit is quality stuff. Thanks!

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I've never run in anything more than standard Nike or Adidas. I can certainly see the difference between those and bargain brands like Academy's BCG. But what are the benefits of the more expensive "boutique" brands?

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Nike thinks they're one of those more expensive brands these days.

I run road and ultras. I love the liners in the shorts. I typically run in 5-7inch inseam shorts.
1. LuLu as they are just plain comfortable and their liner feels like its not even there.
2. Patagonia strider pro shorts are my favorite, though their liner they changed recently so I have not tried a new pair
3. north face better than naked shorts- but they may have been discontinued
4. Vuori- they are not good in the heat as they tend to get weighty with sweat, but fall/spring they would be perfect
5. I love Rabbit as well, comfy liner
6. I have not tried them out yet but path projects is my next brand to try out

I also love for chafing I swear by Nut Butter, that stuff works for all the friction areas including the feet during long runs.

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Path project liner is essential IMO

I have been using their short too

But have been doing a lot more off the bike running in my tri shorts or Tri Suit and really like the way I feel running in tights. Anyone have a recommendation for running short tights? I have the hoka long tights for winter running.

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I have 2 pairs of BOA half tights and I love them. They have solid side pockets that were great during my last marathon for easy gel storage and even stashed my gloves in them and it didn't bother me.
I also have a couple pairs of nike. I have to use half tights on long runs or I'll chafe no matter what.

I've run all my life. Did a 13 year stretch where I didn't miss a single day. (Unhumble brag)

That said, I dearly miss the full nylon shorty shirts from the 70's.

Now I just run with BMGs from Academy with built in liner and pockets.

Rock on.