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OldAg92
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For those of you who are more experienced in these things, I'd like some advice. By way of background, I'm 53 yo and am in the process of finally getting myself back from fat to fit. Down from 240 lbs to 193. Shooting for 185. I lift weights 3x/week. The gym is a mile from the house so I walk to and from to get extra steps in. I don't feel like I get a good enough workout just walking, so I recently bought a weighted vest and have started to use that on my walks to and from the gym.

I have a pretty weak hip but have been going to PT for that and it is getting stronger. On my three non-lifting days I started running again (used to run pretty regularly, though never fast or all that well). I try to run 3 miles per day on my running days. Between the heat, getting older, and just being tired in general, it seems the run days are taking a lot out of me, and I'm starting to struggle to keep my HR down. I'm easily in the upper 160s for most of the run, and more often than not, the running really fatigues my hip and lower back.

I am considering cutting out the running altogether and replacing my 3 mile runs with weighted vest walks. Any thoughts/advice on whether this is a decent replacement for running as far as strength, overall fitness and weight loss are concerned? My primary goal is to be strong and healthy into as old an age as I am blessed to live to. My triathlon and half mary days are well behind me now, so I'm looking for overall health and fitness without any crazy race goals.

Thanks in advance for advice/feedback
P.U.T.U
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Adding weight when you have a weak hip sounds like a very bad idea. Your PT knows you better than most, listen to them. Yes running is harder on the joints than walking but adding weight isn't good for weak joints either.

My PT gives me a list of things to do and what to avoid. I have a weak hip and back so she does not want me doing certain things.
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I turn 50 this year and have always hated running back to my days in HS/College when it was an athletic punishment. Been rucking off and on for a decade and I love it. Lower impact. I feel like I can get more out of it, and accomplish more in a shorter period of time. I keep a couple of backpacks in the vehicle and use whichever one I feel makes the most sense for the day. If you worry about your hip, start off with walking poles and tell everyone you are a bigtime hiker and want to get ready for the next hike.....
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OldAg92
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P.U.T.U said:

Adding weight when you have a weak hip sounds like a very bad idea. Your PT knows you better than most, listen to them. Yes running is harder on the joints than walking but adding weight isn't good for weak joints either.

My PT gives me a list of things to do and what to avoid. I have a weak hip and back so she does not want me doing certain things.
Thanks for the feedback - truly appreciate it. My PT has said that for now I'm cleared to do either. He said "let pain be your guide - if it hurts, scale it back." I'm just torn between wanting to go hard (running) versus not. I worry that I'll get less out of walking, but it is dang sure a lot easier to tolerate.
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I got a weighted vest about two months ago and love it. My limited research indicates a weighted walk is more in line with running when it comes to calories burned than just normal walking. No idea if that is true.

I have never had the patience for walking as a form of exercise but have really enjoyed rucking. I only like to run when I'm fasting but I can ruck even if I just ate and not have any problems. This seems trivial but makes it easier to get a ruck in anytime I get an opportunity in my day.

My vest is 20# and I really don't think it will add much wear and tear to my joints vs walking alone. I lift a lot so I am not really concerned about bone density but I believe it has to help with that, too.
bigtruckguy3500
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Are you looking at conditioning or calorie burning? For the most part, running 3 miles will burn the same amount of calories as walking 3 miles, on average. Now there will be a difference between a 3 mile sprint and a snail's pace 3 mile walk, but a brisk walk and a steady jog should be about equal.

Personally, I would avoid weighted running. I did that some in college and in the military, and my joints hate me now. A weighted vest is better than a weighted backpack, but still, the weight distribution just isn't the same. And your body mechanics just doesn't instantly adapt to throwing on an additional 20 pounds.

Weighted walking, provided it's central, like a vest/backpack, would be better in my opinion. The mechanics of walking are less extreme than running.

Remember, you want to be able to keep walking and jogging for another 30+ years. Don't sacrifice short term gains for longevity. At least that's my view.
OldAg92
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Are you looking at conditioning or calorie burning? For the most part, running 3 miles will burn the same amount of calories as walking 3 miles, on average. Now there will be a difference between a 3 mile sprint and a snail's pace 3 mile walk, but a brisk walk and a steady jog should be about equal.

Personally, I would avoid weighted running. I did that some in college and in the military, and my joints hate me now. A weighted vest is better than a weighted backpack, but still, the weight distribution just isn't the same. And your body mechanics just doesn't instantly adapt to throwing on an additional 20 pounds.

Weighted walking, provided it's central, like a vest/backpack, would be better in my opinion. The mechanics of walking are less extreme than running.

Remember, you want to be able to keep walking and jogging for another 30+ years. Don't sacrifice short term gains for longevity. At least that's my view.


Thanks for the input! And yeah, weighted running is absolutely not an option. Just trying to decide whether to keep running (non-weighted) vs changing to walking with the weighted vest
bigtruckguy3500
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My bad, skimmed through the thread too fast.

But why not both? Do one run a week. And your other activities you can do with a weighted vest? I think being able to know you can run is good when needed, but perhaps walking will give you a bit easier on the joints?
MouthBQ98
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I did walking fast with a weighted vest while my knee was recovering from surgery as a jogging substitute and it was relatively low impact and still a good workout. Now I am cleared to start working in jogging and slow running.
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Anyone have a weighted vest to recommend? There are all kinds and styles on Amazon, etc. Curious if one style is better than others.
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My wife has a nice 5.11 vest but it was fairly expensive. Has a couple of nice pockets that are handy. I bought a condor brand for $50 off of rogue website. It doesn't have any pockets or storage but it has the molle webbing so you can add all kinds of storage. I am very happy with it for the price.

I have these curved 8.75# plates and they are great. They are definitely more comfortable than the flat plates.

Yes4All 3D Weight Vest Plates 5.75/8.75LB Pairs with Curved Ergonomic Design for Plate Carrier, Body Workout, Intensive Training, Rucking, and Cardio https://a.co/d/333EWNO
Diggity
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consensus seems to be about 30% difference between walking and running for most folks.

Not huge, but you would basically have to walk 4 miles instead of run 3.

KidDoc
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I'm not an exercise physiotherapist just a regular ole doc but I disagree with some statements on this thread.

Walking vs jogging 3 miles does seem about the same, just takes twice as long. However the work load and anaerobic training effect is much better for jogging. Now if you are just working on caloric burn and mobility that is not a big deal but if you want to actually improve your VO2max and exercise tolerance you need to find ways to continue to push that HR to 180s.

The other stuff I do aside from running twice a week is MMA (usually 500 cal/hr with max hr 160s) and Supernatural VR. Supernatural VR may be a good option for you for mobility and easier on the hip. Just takes an Oculus Quest device and a sub to Supernatural. Fairly cheap as far as exercise goes.

Per Garmin watch my current VO2max is 42 which is top 25% for 50 year olds. I'm otherwise very similar to you with an almost identical recent weight loss.

OldAg92
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KidDoc said:

I'm not an exercise physiotherapist just a regular ole doc but I disagree with some statements on this thread.

Walking vs jogging 3 miles does seem about the same, just takes twice as long. However the work load and anaerobic training effect is much better for jogging. Now if you are just working on caloric burn and mobility that is not a big deal but if you want to actually improve your VO2max and exercise tolerance you need to find ways to continue to push that HR to 180s.

The other stuff I do aside from running twice a week is MMA (usually 500 cal/hr with max hr 160s) and Supernatural VR. Supernatural VR may be a good option for you for mobility and easier on the hip. Just takes an Oculus Quest device and a sub to Supernatural. Fairly cheap as far as exercise goes.

Per Garmin watch my current VO2max is 42 which is top 25% for 50 year olds. I'm otherwise very similar to you with an almost identical recent weight loss.


Thanks. You also provided me the guidance for my Wegovy journey which has helped tremendously. Never heard of Supernatural VR. I'll check it out
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OldAg92 said:

For those of you who are more experienced in these things, I'd like some advice. By way of background, I'm 53 yo and am in the process of finally getting myself back from fat to fit. Down from 240 lbs to 193. Shooting for 185. I lift weights 3x/week. The gym is a mile from the house so I walk to and from to get extra steps in. I don't feel like I get a good enough workout just walking, so I recently bought a weighted vest and have started to use that on my walks to and from the gym.

I have a pretty weak hip but have been going to PT for that and it is getting stronger. On my three non-lifting days I started running again (used to run pretty regularly, though never fast or all that well). I try to run 3 miles per day on my running days. Between the heat, getting older, and just being tired in general, it seems the run days are taking a lot out of me, and I'm starting to struggle to keep my HR down. I'm easily in the upper 160s for most of the run, and more often than not, the running really fatigues my hip and lower back.

I am considering cutting out the running altogether and replacing my 3 mile runs with weighted vest walks. Any thoughts/advice on whether this is a decent replacement for running as far as strength, overall fitness and weight loss are concerned? My primary goal is to be strong and healthy into as old an age as I am blessed to live to. My triathlon and half mary days are well behind me now, so I'm looking for overall health and fitness without any crazy race goals.

Thanks in advance for advice/feedback
First, man, what an awesome transformation! You obviously have the grit to work off that weight and keep going, even with a hip issue. Many, hell, most would have just quit or never started. A true inspiration, seriously! Be proud!

Honestly, just walk. Get 10-15K steps in on some days. No vest and for now stop running. Remember, running to lose weight is not a great strategy as it really only burns so many calories. Running is great if that is your sport and it's fun to do no doubt. But, it is most likely causing you to build up too much fatigue which will adversely effect your weight training. One of the most important elements your weight training program should have is progressive overload. That is what gets you more muscle over time, stronger etc. I honestly would rather see you steadily increase your training days in the weight room over time, build more muscle with better training techniques and programing (Full Rom lifting, progressive overload, etc) which will make you be a better fat burning machine in the long run, and increase your performance and appearance in life in general. In short, a diet that is on point with a very good muscle building program trumps any and all cardio. On that note, you can get a vest, but I would let the fatigue go down and just get your steps in without the weighted implement. Seriously, steps are amazing when combined with a get nutrition program when fat loss is your goal. Just adding steps is a great way to overload. Also, consider a deload every 4-6 weeks. That week do lighter loads, less sets and no running during that week. Or take that week off entirely, though deloading with lower weight in weight training has been shown to actually be the best way to reduce fatigue. SO if you bench press 60 lbs DBs for 12 reps currently, on the deload week, do the DBs 60x6 reps. Later that week maybe do 30 lbs for 6 reps with super focused slow form. It will feel like you aren't doing anything but that's the point. You are working through the technique slowly while working the fatigue out over time.

As for running, you can bring it back if you love it, but do it slowly and maybe for less distance and only 1 day a week. In the meantime, you may find you are able to build more muscle without it and are staying lean, so just trash it all together.

Also, I like some PTs. Hate others. PTs can be full of a lot of "corrective/over mobilization" BS. Especially the ones wanting you to mobilize for 20-30 min prior to weight lifting when in reality just doing light weight warming up with the actual exercise (example here is Squats: do body weight squats 5-10 reps full depth, then the empty bar 10-12 reps full depth, then 40% your target weight for 5-10 reps, then 60% for 3-5 then 80-110% for 1-3 reps then actually do your work sets-always full depth), working up your actual target weight in the lift is all you need. I gave up mobilizing a while ago and I lift better, feel better and my workouts are faster and it allows more time for more specific training, which is why we go to the gym. Lifting alone mobilizes me better then anything else can. But I am a Full ROM guy, so I train smart, great tempo, etc. Now, IF you have an issue with your hip, then a good PT is fantastic to help. I would say that in many cases, just really good focus on technique and form while weight training clears up most but not all issues. That would be why I would consult a doctor (obviously you probably have) and get their recommendation. But just make sure the PT actually knows their stuff as some can be a ripe off. Some, not all. Some of the smartest lifters I know are PTs. But the PTs I know bodybuild, powerlift/strength train or Olympic lift. They know their **** b/c they do the *****

Finally, I cannot stress enough to follow RP. I should just work for them lol. But Dr. Mike Israetel is stop on with his videos and I use their diet and their hypertrophy app and I cannot recommend them enough.
OldAg92
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Capitol Ag said:

OldAg92 said:

For those of you who are more experienced in these things, I'd like some advice. By way of background, I'm 53 yo and am in the process of finally getting myself back from fat to fit. Down from 240 lbs to 193. Shooting for 185. I lift weights 3x/week. The gym is a mile from the house so I walk to and from to get extra steps in. I don't feel like I get a good enough workout just walking, so I recently bought a weighted vest and have started to use that on my walks to and from the gym.

I have a pretty weak hip but have been going to PT for that and it is getting stronger. On my three non-lifting days I started running again (used to run pretty regularly, though never fast or all that well). I try to run 3 miles per day on my running days. Between the heat, getting older, and just being tired in general, it seems the run days are taking a lot out of me, and I'm starting to struggle to keep my HR down. I'm easily in the upper 160s for most of the run, and more often than not, the running really fatigues my hip and lower back.

I am considering cutting out the running altogether and replacing my 3 mile runs with weighted vest walks. Any thoughts/advice on whether this is a decent replacement for running as far as strength, overall fitness and weight loss are concerned? My primary goal is to be strong and healthy into as old an age as I am blessed to live to. My triathlon and half mary days are well behind me now, so I'm looking for overall health and fitness without any crazy race goals.

Thanks in advance for advice/feedback
First, man, what an awesome transformation! You obviously have the grit to work off that weight and keep going, even with a hip issue. Many, hell, most would have just quit or never started. A true inspiration, seriously! Be proud!

Honestly, just walk. Get 10-15K steps in on some days. No vest and for now stop running. Remember, running to lose weight is not a great strategy as it really only burns so many calories. Running is great if that is your sport and it's fun to do no doubt. But, it is most likely causing you to build up too much fatigue which will adversely effect your weight training. One of the most important elements your weight training program should have is progressive overload. That is what gets you more muscle over time, stronger etc. I honestly would rather see you steadily increase your training days in the weight room over time, build more muscle with better training techniques and programing (Full Rom lifting, progressive overload, etc) which will make you be a better fat burning machine in the long run, and increase your performance and appearance in life in general. In short, a diet that is on point with a very good muscle building program trumps any and all cardio. On that note, you can get a vest, but I would let the fatigue go down and just get your steps in without the weighted implement. Seriously, steps are amazing when combined with a get nutrition program when fat loss is your goal. Just adding steps is a great way to overload. Also, consider a deload every 4-6 weeks. That week do lighter loads, less sets and no running during that week. Or take that week off entirely, though deloading with lower weight in weight training has been shown to actually be the best way to reduce fatigue. SO if you bench press 60 lbs DBs for 12 reps currently, on the deload week, do the DBs 60x6 reps. Later that week maybe do 30 lbs for 6 reps with super focused slow form. It will feel like you aren't doing anything but that's the point. You are working through the technique slowly while working the fatigue out over time.

As for running, you can bring it back if you love it, but do it slowly and maybe for less distance and only 1 day a week. In the meantime, you may find you are able to build more muscle without it and are staying lean, so just trash it all together.

Also, I like some PTs. Hate others. PTs can be full of a lot of "corrective/over mobilization" BS. Especially the ones wanting you to mobilize for 20-30 min prior to weight lifting when in reality just doing light weight warming up with the actual exercise (example here is Squats: do body weight squats 5-10 reps full depth, then the empty bar 10-12 reps full depth, then 40% your target weight for 5-10 reps, then 60% for 3-5 then 80-110% for 1-3 reps then actually do your work sets-always full depth), working up your actual target weight in the lift is all you need. I gave up mobilizing a while ago and I lift better, feel better and my workouts are faster and it allows more time for more specific training, which is why we go to the gym. Lifting alone mobilizes me better then anything else can. But I am a Full ROM guy, so I train smart, great tempo, etc. Now, IF you have an issue with your hip, then a good PT is fantastic to help. I would say that in many cases, just really good focus on technique and form while weight training clears up most but not all issues. That would be why I would consult a doctor (obviously you probably have) and get their recommendation. But just make sure the PT actually knows their stuff as some can be a ripe off. Some, not all. Some of the smartest lifters I know are PTs. But the PTs I know bodybuild, powerlift/strength train or Olympic lift. They know their **** b/c they do the *****

Finally, I cannot stress enough to follow RP. I should just work for them lol. But Dr. Mike Israetel is stop on with his videos and I use their diet and their hypertrophy app and I cannot recommend them enough.


Thanks for all this input. It is a lot to digest, and I've never heard of RP or Dr Israetel so I'll check that out. I currently walk (or run) a minimum of 10k steps a day, every day. Started that on 10/1/22 and haven't had a day below 10k since. For my weight training, I do all machines. I train by myself and machines are just easier for me. I increase my weight on every machine on the 1st of each month to make sure I am not stagnant. Each machine is 3 sets of 10 reps.

Shoulder press
Lateral Raise
Bench
Lat Pulldown
Fly
Reverse Fly
Calf Press
Seated row
Tricep pushdown
Tricep extension
Bicep curls

I don't squat or leg press because it is just too much on my knees and hips.

My PT was a referral from an orthopedic doc that I saw first for the hip. He said it was a strength/stability issue (likely secondary to scoliosis) but not surgical, thankfully.

Diet is modified Keto (I occasionally eat rice and I have added blackberries, blueberries and raspberries in moderation). I meal prep and that is typically salmon, tilapia, shrimp, chicken or lean pork chops, along with broccoli and cauliflower rice or occasionally regular rice. I love beef but try to only eat it once a week. No white carbs at all, no alcohol, no sugar.

Open to any tips/tweaks.
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OldAg92 said:

For those of you who are more experienced in these things, I'd like some advice. By way of background, I'm 53 yo and am in the process of finally getting myself back from fat to fit. Down from 240 lbs to 193. Shooting for 185. I lift weights 3x/week. The gym is a mile from the house so I walk to and from to get extra steps in. I don't feel like I get a good enough workout just walking, so I recently bought a weighted vest and have started to use that on my walks to and from the gym.

I have a pretty weak hip but have been going to PT for that and it is getting stronger. On my three non-lifting days I started running again (used to run pretty regularly, though never fast or all that well). I try to run 3 miles per day on my running days. Between the heat, getting older, and just being tired in general, it seems the run days are taking a lot out of me, and I'm starting to struggle to keep my HR down. I'm easily in the upper 160s for most of the run, and more often than not, the running really fatigues my hip and lower back.

I am considering cutting out the running altogether and replacing my 3 mile runs with weighted vest walks. Any thoughts/advice on whether this is a decent replacement for running as far as strength, overall fitness and weight loss are concerned? My primary goal is to be strong and healthy into as old an age as I am blessed to live to. My triathlon and half mary days are well behind me now, so I'm looking for overall health and fitness without any crazy race goals.

Thanks in advance for advice/feedback
This guy on twitter is a big proponent of rucking with a weighted backpack. He's got a bunch of fans/clients who have lost a bunch of weight doing it.

https://twitter.com/Beech_Fit
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Let me preface this by saying I absolutely HATE running.

I have been rucking for about a year and seen some awesome improvement. I still hate running, but I hate it a lot less nowadays. Running seems to always end up with me hurting my lower back doing something else. Rucking is so much less impact on my crappy knee and back.

If you are looking for calorie burn, rucking is a great option. Your body gets pretty efficient at moving your body weight while walking, but adding 20 or 30 lbs burns a lot more calories than you would think. I would think rucking would be a good option.

In general a weighted vest would be good for that. I use a backpack from goruck, and a weight from amazon to add mine, as well as about 10 lbs of water if I am going for an hour or more.
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