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intermittent fasting and protein intake

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Matsui
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What would be the balance of carbs if protein grams is 150 per day?
Buck Compton
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Matsui said:

What would be the balance of carbs if protein grams is 150 per day?
~4 calories per gram of protein or gram of carbs. ~9 calories per gram of fat.

So take your target caloric intake and use that equation to identify the mix you want.

Calories = (4*protein) + (4*carbs) + (9*fat)

So if your target intake is 2,000 calories and 150g is protein, that leaves about 1,400 calories for carbs and fat. So another 200g of carbs and 66g of fat would work. So would 150g of carbs and 89g of fat.

So many people confuse weight loss or diets with health. Eat 1,500 calories of twinkies, soda, and bacon every day as an average American male and you'll still be able to lose body weight. Now if you feel like ****, you may not workout as well or expend as many calories, but all other things equal including output, energy is energy and you'll lose weight.

Doesn't mean you'll be healthy though. The types of carbs and types of protein and types of fat do matter, but only when talking about being healthy, not about a pure weight loss number. Sleep also matters a ton. But I digress.
Builder93
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I've gone weeks where I eat bacon every day and I feel great. Why would I feel bad? Cholesterol and fat are necessary for my body to function properly. Twinkies, not so much.

Also for those of you calories in calories out folks, Google "is weight loss simply calories in calories out"
you will be surprised by what you find from your search. Many reputable sources say it's much more than just calories.
Buck Compton
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Builder93 said:

I've gone weeks where I eat bacon every day and I feel great. Why would I feel bad? Cholesterol and fat are necessary for my body to function properly. Twinkies, not so much.

Also for those of you calories in calories out folks, Google "is weight loss simply calories in calories out"
you will be surprised by what you find from your search. Many reputable sources say it's much more than just calories.
Please link said reputable sources. There are sources on google that say only weight lifting makes you lose weight, cardio is worthless. Others that say cardio only.

It's really just science. Use your own brain and do your own research about the basic cellular process of consuming energy. Calories is a measure of energy. A calorie is about 4 joules, or the energy required to raise one gram of water by one degree Celsius. A Calorie (kcal, which is what's on your nutrition label) is 1,000 calories. Your body uses energy in basic processes just to exist. It burns that energy to perform vital tasks, creates waste product, and puts off heat. If you don't have enough energy from outside sources, the body will use internal sources, such as fat or muscle. And it can only build those things if it has the right building blocks to do so. This is why macros are important.

If it was more complicated than that input and output, it would defy the law of conservation of energy. If you were somehow able to store more energy than you took in, you would literally have broken the first law of thermodynamics and would have unlocked a whole chain of scientific inquiry into how it happens because that's how revolutionary the idea would be. It would be just as groundbreaking as if you invented a perpetual motion machine.

Again, stop compounding it with being healthy. Or even losing weight most efficiently. There a whole host of other nutritional factors at play that impact the efficiency of those cellular processes. But if the goal is a number, caloric intake < caloric output stands true.

The challenge most people have is first tracking intake accurately. Secondly, it's incredibly difficult to nail down your real caloric output. Especially since it constantly changes. Our bodies are incredibly efficient at surviving and storing energy. We evolved that way. So it does things to reduce output if intake is too low, like "turning off" certain processes. Hormones imbalances may impact your normal maintenance rate. Stress and sleep impact it. Not to mention you get more efficient at output as you exercise and build endurance. You likely weigh less, and your muscles are more efficient. So say running a mile used to burn 150 calories, it may only burn 125 now.

A lot impacts the numbers in that simple formula. But the formula doesn't lie - the trick is how to measure and track.
Matsui
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Thank you!
jtraggie99
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First article that comes up:


https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories#:~:text=Cut%20calories%20%E2%80%94%20specifically%203%2C500%20calories,just%20wrong%2C%22%20says%20Dr.

The big takeaway here? Lots of things can impact your metabolism and your daily calorie needs. This can vary from day to day and obviously varies from person to person. Nothing really new here that we (mostly) don't already know.
aggiegolfer03
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"The brain likes foods that are healthy, that are in their natural form,"


from the article...

bull*****..the brain tells you to eat calories it can use, and nothing is more "useful" than junk food.
Tex117
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jtraggie99 said:



First article that comes up:


https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories#:~:text=Cut%20calories%20%E2%80%94%20specifically%203%2C500%20calories,just%20wrong%2C%22%20says%20Dr.

The big takeaway here? Lots of things can impact your metabolism and your daily calorie needs. This can vary from day to day and obviously varies from person to person. Nothing really new here that we (mostly) don't already know.

Buck is doing some heavy lifting in this thread now. Great post. And he is absolutely correct. Don't make this harder than it needs to be.

This article. She is an obesity specialist. Absolutely nothing in this article contradicts Calories in v. Calories out. Besides, when dealing with truly obese people, getting them to simply eat healthier (typically not calorie dense foods like twinkies), the weight will drop. That's how I read the article. Its not aimed at someone trying to get shredded, or an athlete. Its aimed at people who are at medical risk of being overweight.

Yes, there are things that do effect metabolism, but that just means your maintenance is going to change. (I know this because I effed mine up by not eating enough for far too long...just now its starting to get back to normal...after almost a year of "bulking.")

Quote:

"The brain likes foods that are healthy, that are in their natural form,"


from the article...

bull*****..the brain tells you to eat calories it can use, and nothing is more "useful" than junk food.
LOL! What a silly statement. We all know that's b.s. We have millions of people in this country and all over the world that proves this wrong.
jtraggie99
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Tex117 said:

jtraggie99 said:



First article that comes up:


https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories#:~:text=Cut%20calories%20%E2%80%94%20specifically%203%2C500%20calories,just%20wrong%2C%22%20says%20Dr.

The big takeaway here? Lots of things can impact your metabolism and your daily calorie needs. This can vary from day to day and obviously varies from person to person. Nothing really new here that we (mostly) don't already know.

Absolutely nothing in this article contradicts Calories in v. Calories out.

That was kind of my point, and I completely agree. Just using it as an example of what google turned up when searching, as Builder suggested.
Tex117
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jtraggie99 said:

Tex117 said:

jtraggie99 said:



First article that comes up:


https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories#:~:text=Cut%20calories%20%E2%80%94%20specifically%203%2C500%20calories,just%20wrong%2C%22%20says%20Dr.

The big takeaway here? Lots of things can impact your metabolism and your daily calorie needs. This can vary from day to day and obviously varies from person to person. Nothing really new here that we (mostly) don't already know.

Absolutely nothing in this article contradicts Calories in v. Calories out.

That was kind of my point, and I completely agree. Just using it as an example of what google turned up when searching, as Builder suggested.
I know it was. Was just agreeing with what you said.

I know I can be a d-bag about all this, but it boggles my mind just how complicated people make this. It really isnt. (Of course the rub is tracking and determining maintenance, but even that is somewhat easy for someone wanting to lose a little weight...getting shredded, its much harder).
neronero
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I'm going to try fasting for the first time. Any advice? How many days should I start with? I've decided to make the fasting diet easier by incorporating subconscious methods through https://danielbenabraham.com/fast-how-to-fast-and-enjoy-fasting-and-intermittent-fasting-for-weight-loss-subconscious-morning-reprogramming-script-affirmations/. I am 100% sure that the way we start our day has an enormous influence on our overall life and can be re-programmed for a better future. Any additional tips would be greatly appreciated!
aggiegolfer03
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usually people start simpler than that...like a 16/8 fast where you fast for 16 hours, then eat in an 8 hour window.

Full disclosure though, I've never tried fasting myself. Cramming the protein I like to eat in 8 hours would be tough without more powder than I'm willing to eat.

MRB10
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I do at least 16:8 every day and have since 2010. My first meal is no earlier than noon and I cut off around 7. Social/work events can mess it up but it's easy to get back on the next day. I've found it's best not to be dogmatic about it.

I'm usually short of the 1g of protein per pound but not by a ton. I eat roughly a pound of meat for both lunch and dinner and then have a shake + snack that gets me to 40-50g at midafternoon.
ptothemo
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Instead of fasting, you should try the Canadian pharmacy or whatever other bot link you are inevitably going to edit that post to include.
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