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Deviated septum

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Mmetag10
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Tell me all about your deviated septum and turbinate reduction procedures. I need to know how long im going to be out of work, When i can get back to normal. How much am i going to want to die etc.
Thanks
Absolute
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It's not that bad.

Think I did a Thurs surgery and back to work (inspecting houses) on Tuesday. Wished I had taken a few more days, but if I had an office job, it would have been fine.

My doc didn't do the packing thing. Was really pretty painless and easy.
Mmetag10
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Packing thing?
Absolute
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Some doctors pack your nose with gauze or used to. Supposedly made it more unpleasant.

Really, it is a pretty easy surgery/recovery.
RG20
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Is this something you just request to doctor and is the surgery covered with primary insurance?
Mmetag10
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Dont know my dentist suggested i go to the ENT. I went and 5 minutes later was told i needed the surgery.
Absolute
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Mmetag10 said:

Dont know my dentist suggested i go to the ENT. I went and 5 minutes later was told i needed the surgery.
Not saying the guy is wrong, but a second opinion might be in order.
Mmetag10
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Appreciate the response. He kind of was. And I've asked around town. He's definitely the guy to see. Said my nose was an S inside where it's supposed to be straight. Open and shut case he said haha.
bigtruckguy3500
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Mmetag10 said:

Dont know my dentist suggested i go to the ENT. I went and 5 minutes later was told i needed the surgery.
Did he say why you should go? Or are you having frequent sinus infections? Issues with breathing through your nose? And did your ENT say why he suggested surgery?

Kool is an ENT doc and he posts here often. He might offer some insight if he sees this.

ETA: Just saw your post about being an "S" inside. I'm not an ENT doc, but if you're not having issues, I'm not sure if you need surgery.
Mmetag10
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Frequent sinus issues. Can only really breath on one side. They gave me a nasal intubator and i got a head rush from getting enough oxygen. It's a laundry list. I knew if i went that would be the news i just didn't want to hear it.
hph6203
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Had a septoplasty (deviated septum surgery) and polypectomy (nasal polyp removal) at the end of June 2017. I took off the day of surgery, a Friday, had the weekend, took the Monday off, 4th of July and then another day off after. I could have gone back on the Monday, but it would've been annoying. I was out and about on the 4th and could have gone to work.

Because I had the septum surgery I had splints inserted into my nose (rolled plastic to create a tube for breathing), I also had "liquid gauze" put into my sinuses because of the polypectomy. The splints stayed in for I think two weeks, and the liquid gauze didn't make its way all the way out of my nose for a month.

It helped my breathing, but I still can't smell if I don't use a sinus rinse every day, twice a day. If you go that route I'd suggest getting Navage. It's great.
Absolute
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Similar to my history. Not a doctor, but I suspect they see it as fairly black and white if you are having symptoms.

I was pretty happy with the results of my surgery. Helped reduce sinus infections and antibiotics from 6 to 8 times a year to once or twice. Also noticeably improved breathing.

I would recommend it
YourFavAggie
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I had the "packing" and that is by far the worst part of it. I had it in for a couple of days, but man, the sweet relief of them pulling that out and being able to breathe.

I no longer have the sinus issues, and I am able to breathe a bit better out of the nose. Happy but not game changing like I have heard from others
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Beckdiesel03
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Had my done in 1997 and the packing removal still makes me cringe. It was not a game changer for me either and it took me forever to regain my sense of smell but the doc also screwed a lot of it up. A friend just had hers done last week and she said it was instant relief and she didn't have any packing.
YourFavAggie
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Beckdiesel03 said:

Had my done in 1997 and the packing removal still makes me cringe. It was not a game changer for me either and it took me forever to regain my sense of smell but the doc also screwed a lot of it up. A friend just had hers done last week and she said it was instant relief and she didn't have any packing.


To echo on this. My sense of smell is gone most days. Kind of a running joke with my family, but it is no where near where it used to be. 3 years later
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Kool
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Been on a TexAgs hiatus for a bit, probably going to take another. However:

People conflate various and sundry nasal procedures with "septoplasty", and the indications for, and recovery from, these procedures vary widely.

A septoplasty is usually done along with an inferior turbinate procedure, most commonly a "submucous resection", for various reasons. In and of itself, it is really only done to improve nasal airflow. This MAY improve sense of smell, although I would NEVER try to tell a patient that they should do this strictly for this reason. It MAY reduce the frequency and severity of sinusitis, but again that is far from a given. Often, a septoplasty is done in order to improve access for sinus surgery, polypectomy, etc. Without doing a septoplasty, it can be difficult if not impossible to access the sinuses.

Every single human has a degree of septal deviation, it is just a matter of how severe yours is, how much that deviation is affecting you in terms of breathing, and weighing the pros and cons of having the procedure. I am assuming you have tried conservative treatment, including nasal saline, nasal steroids, plus or minus nasal antihistamine sprays.

Again assuming that you have tried, and have failed these, and that nasal obstruction is bothering you either during normal activities, exercise, or sleep, a nasal septoplasty plus or minus submucous resection of the inferior turbinates is a fairly straightforward procedure that any competent ENT should be able to do. It can be "monkey simple" or very difficult, depending upon the degree of bend, prior surgery, location of the deviation, etc. If you have a severe bend that comes all the way to the front of the nose, or a "high" bend, it is definitely trickier. The cartilaginous and bony septum forms a "tent pole" support for the nose, so over-resection can be troublesome (think Michael Jackson). When I see a patient with one of these, using a baseball analogy, I tell them that I am going to go for a "double" and not a home run, because often going for a home run ends - poorly. Also, the cartilaginous septum has a lot of "memory" to it. Put your finger on the tip of your nose, and push it sideways. It always snaps right back into place. When there is a cartilaginous bend in the septum, "up front", you have to be careful to resect or reshape enough to break that "memory" without over-resecting. Sometimes managing expectations is as important as doing the surgery in and of itself. I'd rather have a patient breathing only minimally better after surgery than having a loss of support for their nose.

I put splints or packing in the nose after a septoplasty probably less than 1% of the time that I do one. I put absorbable packing in the nose after sinus surgery nearly 100% of the time. If your septum doesn't hold up on its own at the end of the case, no amount of splinting or packing is likely to make it any more successful. Anyone who has had splints in their nose will tell you just how miserable of an experience it is. Without packing or splints, recovery is usually pretty simple. I recommend no strenuous activities for a week (anything that makes your heart rate go up or your breathing to be heavy) in order to reduce the risk of postoperative bleeding, and I usually tell people to avoid flying for two weeks so the patient and I can both avoid becoming internet celebrities because a plane had to be diverted, grounded, etc., because of a bleed in-flight.

Hope this helps.
Mmetag10
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Thanks good info
Mmetag10
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Well i put it off long enough. Having it done this week. Wish me luck. And if anyone has any tips on recovery I'm all ears.
Kool
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Septoplasty recovery is really not that big of a deal.


POSTOPERATIVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR NASAL SURGERY

These instructions were provided in order to answer questions frequently has to during the postoperative period, and to ensure that you get the best possible outcome from your sinus surgery. Please read over them before having surgery, and refer to them in the postoperative period as situations arise. The following items should be purchased prior to the date of surgery. These are nonprescription items, and you will not need or receive a prescription for them. Hydrogen peroxide Q-tips Saline sprays, such as Ocean or AYR spray Afrin or similar nasal decongestant spray to be used only for nosebleeds A humidifier is helpful but not absolutely necessary On the day of surgery, patients will be receiving intravenous antibiotics and steroids. Some medications prescribed postoperatively. If steroids are prescribed for the postoperative period, they should be started on the first postoperative day. They should be taken with food early in the day, and they may cause excitement and/or stomach upset. If these symptoms cannot be tolerated or controlled with medications such as Benadryl for sleep or Maalox or Zantac for stomach upset, the steroids can be discontinued or taken in decreased doses. Antibiotics should be started the first day after surgery, and then continued as directed thereafter. Please report any unusual problems with these medications. Pain medications can be started at any time during the postoperative period. All pain medications can cause sedation, and nausea is a frequent side effect with these medications as well. A nausea medication can be prescribed if the steroids or pain medications are causing these symptoms.

Most of the time, nasal surgery patients are sent home on the same day with no packing in the nose. The most frequent reasons for the physician placing packing in the nose are significant septal deviation requiring splinting the septum, or significant nasal bleeding requiring packing to reduce this. Bleeding is a normal occurrence after nasal surgery. The bleeding can be controlled by placing ice packs across the nose or by squirting Afrin or similar decongestant nasal spray into the nostril. Significant bleeding not responding to these measures should be reported to the office. Limiting activities is also very important in reducing bleeding. Please recall that, if overused, Afrin can cause a "rebound" issue. Only use decongestant nasal sprays if there is significant or prolonged bleeding. Discontinue them as soon as is possible. Due to the bleeding that may occur after surgery, crusting of dried blood may occur in the nose. If you have crusting around the nasal opening you can clean this by dipping a Q-tip into hydrogen peroxide and gently rolling the Q-tip over the crusted area. Nasal saline spray should be started immediately after the surgery in order to keep the cavities clean and to reduce the chances of postoperative infections. There is really no limit to the frequency of nasal saline rinsing that can be done after surgery, and keeping the nose moist will aid in healing and make the nose more comfortable while healing takes place. Patients may either purchase any of the commercially prepared nasal saline formulations which are available over the counter or make their own saline with the recipe which follows below. You can gently blow your nose after surgery, but excessively blowing the nose may start bleeding. It is best to avoid sneezing with your mouth closed, as this can result in significant pressure being built up in the nasal cavity. A humidifier is a good idea to use, particularly at night, until the nose is open enough to allow a normal nasal breathing. This may eliminate some of the sore throat and dry mouth which is associated with mouth breathing. Medications to avoid for the first 10 days postoperative include anything which can raise the blood pressure or cause bleeding. Most commonly, these are Sudafed, ibuprofen containing products such as Advil or Motrin, aspirin, and other anti-inflammatory medications. If you have a question, please ask. Similarly, activities that raised the blood pressure or heart rate should be avoided for the first 10 days. I hope that this helps answer the questions most frequently asked in the postoperative period, and helps you understand how to have the best possible results from your surgery. Please review these instructions before surgery, and keep this with you during the postoperative period.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR MAKING SALINE TO BE USED DURING THE IRRIGATION PERIOD

1. CLEAN A 1-QUART GLASS FAR OR SIMILAR CONTAINER. CAREFULLY FIL IT WITH WATER WHICH HAS BEEN BOILED, OR DISTILLED WATER. 2. ADD 2 3 HEAPING TEASPOONS OF PICKLING, KOSHER, SEA, OR CANNING SALT. DO NOT USE IODIZED SALT. 3. ADD 1 ROUNDED TEASPOON OF BAKING SODA (PURE BICARBONATE). 4. STORE AT ROOM TEMPERATURE AND SHAKE OR STIR BEFORE EACH USE. 5. SLIGHTLY WARMING THE SALINE MAY MAKE ITS USE MORE COMFORTABLE. USE: 1. POUR SOME OF THE MIXTURE INTO A CLEAN BOWL. 2. FILL A SPRAY BOTTLE OR USE YOUR WATER-PIK. TO AVOID CONTAMINATION, DO NOT PLACE THE BULB OR SYRINGE INTO THE JAR. 3. STAND OVER THE SINK OR IN THE SHOWER AND SQUIRT THE MIXTURE INTO EACH SIDE OF THE NOSE SEVERAL TIMES. 4. RINSE THE NOSE AT LEAST 2 3 TIMES DAILY.
Mmetag10
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Wow thanks doc
Dad
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I took 6 days off for mine which was just right.

I went to my office two days later just to numb someone which took me five minutes and just that small amount of work made me feel sick.
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