I'd like to clarify that I play golf 2x a year by myself.AggieOO said:i don't play golf, but can you not cheat at a golf tournament? There are prizes at those, no?The Lost said:AggieOO said:replace "golf" with "running" and "awful" with "slow" and you are now see why people cheat.Unthought Known said:That's why I do it too.wangus12 said:
I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.
Yeah, but golf you're usually just playing with friends... not playing for the chance to play augusta national... i guess scrambles are pretty bad though
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I really like this blog, but Derek is a poor writer.
MORE INFORMATION COMES OUT AS ADDITIONAL WITNESS CLAIMS RUNNER TOOK TRAIN ON WAY TO BOSTON FINISH
Will be interesting to see if the runner responds.
Will be interesting to see if the runner responds.
I am in the boat that is a chip mat is functioning properly and you skip one, that is an automatic DQ. No questions asked. You know the game and should cross each one on the course.
that's a grey area. chips don't register on functioning mats all the time for various reasons. That's why its hard to DQ someone for missing one mat. It becomes suspicious if they don't register on multiple mats or miss a mat on and out-and-back and have a crazy fast second half split.Satellite of Love said:
I am in the boat that is a chip mat is functioning properly and you skip one, that is an automatic DQ. No questions asked. You know the game and should cross each one on the course.
Yeah, I've run plenty of races where a mat has only registered 60-75% of those running. The Houston Marathon didn't register my 35k time while it had everything else. Cowtown 50k didn't register my 26.2m time. I definitely ran the whole thing and I actually almost make it a point to put my foot on the mat at races.
Like OO said, missing multiple mats and have the weird splits are what causes suspicion. Preventing cheaters is never going to be 100% effective unfortunately
Like OO said, missing multiple mats and have the weird splits are what causes suspicion. Preventing cheaters is never going to be 100% effective unfortunately
wangus12 said:
Yeah, I've run plenty of races where a mat has only registered 60-75% of those running. The Houston Marathon didn't register my 35k time while it had everything else. Cowtown 50k didn't register my 26.2m time. I definitely ran the whole thing and I actually almost make it a point to put my foot on the mat at races.
Like OO said, missing multiple mats and have the weird splits are what causes suspicion. Preventing cheaters is never going to be 100% effective unfortunately
That sucks as you can use the 26.2 time as a BQ time.
Unfortunately, I'm nowhere close to 3:05. At least not yet
wangus12 said:
Unfortunately, I'm nowhere close to 3:05. At least not yet
Just stay the same speed and age into Boston.
But if 12 is your class year you have a long long time.
13 more years till that first time knockoff
When I started training for my first marathon I had 10 years until my next age bump, I wasn't sure if sub 3:05 was possible since I was 1 hr 10 minutes away. I BQ'd less than 2 years later.
I get ANOTHER 5 mins next year!
doubt i'll spend the time and money to ever go back and run it though. Too many other things on my list.
doubt i'll spend the time and money to ever go back and run it though. Too many other things on my list.
I apparently lied. I thought 40 was the 1st drop. Now its 35. So I'm only 8 years away from that
AP4P2020 said:
This story in the New Yorker blows my mind. They still can't figure out how this guy is cheating.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/08/06/marathon-man
that was a fascinating read. i just don't get the desire to cheat that much.
I did a best ball tournament and my team did so bad that they made a last place prize due to our honesty. I am sure we improved our lie here and there but we lost by like 30 strokes or something ridiculous. Back to runningwangus12 said:
I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.
Larry Macon
The Marathon Investigation guy posted about Larry on the Marathon Maniacs Facebook page and was getting roasted by some people defending Larry. Wonder if they've changed their tune. I feel like he's getting a break for being older and a "nice guy".
The Marathon Investigation guy posted about Larry on the Marathon Maniacs Facebook page and was getting roasted by some people defending Larry. Wonder if they've changed their tune. I feel like he's getting a break for being older and a "nice guy".
Let's just say I see Larry once a year and he loves to brag about all the marathons he does to everyone at the office. Nobody else is a frequent runner and wouldn't know, but I wonder what would happen if I bring it up to him.
Oh, you do marathons? Thats cool, I do training runs too!
What a no-integrity low life.
But man, that course would be absolutely terrible to run.
But man, that course would be absolutely terrible to run.
Looks like they booted him from the Marathon Maniacs.
I've got no desire to join either the Marathon Maniacs or 50th State Club (even though I'd actually like to eventually run a marathon in every state). I was pretty surprised to see so many people in both Facebook groups overlook Larry's cheating simply because he's a good dude.
I've got no desire to join either the Marathon Maniacs or 50th State Club (even though I'd actually like to eventually run a marathon in every state). I was pretty surprised to see so many people in both Facebook groups overlook Larry's cheating simply because he's a good dude.
Yeah no desire to do the MM. Future wife painted me a map of the USA to fill in as I run 50 in 50. Hopefully my knees make it that far
wangus12 said:
Future wife painted me a map of the USA to fill in as I run 50 in 50. Hopefully my knees make it that far
Not to derail the thread but this reminded me of a funny story.
I was running the Reno marathon a few years ago and a few miles in I ran past a guy who was wearing a shirt that said "50 under 4" or something like that. He explained to me that he wanted to do the 50 marathons in 50 states but they all had to be under 4 hours. So he was out here knocking Nevada off the list, but he was sort of struggling with breathing today and he wasn't really sure why. So I asked if he had done any altitude training and he was like, "why?" He had absolutely no idea that we were running at 4,500 feet. I looked up his time later on; he's going to have to come back to get that sub 4.
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2022/02/elite-claims-11528-half-marathon-removed-from-results-after-cutting-course.html
TexAgs mentioned in the latest post.
TexAgs mentioned in the latest post.
HOLY CRAP! I know that guy. He smoked me at a local 10k and didn't hit the 5k mat. Said he got off course, but he didn't care about the result. Said he just likes to run and he's more of an ultra guy and talked about his impressive achievements.
I was very suspicious of him at first. But talked to him for a while. And after following him on Strava, he seems like a great athlete.
EDIT: His most recent activity is titled: "Hatred will Never Affect Me. My Heart is only Full of Love"
He's got lots of support.
I was very suspicious of him at first. But talked to him for a while. And after following him on Strava, he seems like a great athlete.
EDIT: His most recent activity is titled: "Hatred will Never Affect Me. My Heart is only Full of Love"
He's got lots of support.
I mean we're basically famous for breaking the case. Also those other runners on the little Strava video should be within eyesight of him cutting in and out of that turn
The crazy thing is that he still seems to be a great athlete without the cheating. His pace on that fly by was impressive even before he cut the course. Shame.
On a net zero course.Aye Davanita said:AggieOO said:raising money takes effort. plus, then you can't brag that you "qualified" for boston.Unthought Known said:
If you're cheating to run Boston, why not just raise money??
i'm a purist when it comes to boston. I think the only way you should be able to get in is by qualifying.
Agreed.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
94chem said:On a net zero course.Aye Davanita said:AggieOO said:raising money takes effort. plus, then you can't brag that you "qualified" for boston.Unthought Known said:
If you're cheating to run Boston, why not just raise money??
i'm a purist when it comes to boston. I think the only way you should be able to get in is by qualifying.
Agreed.
I might give a little wiggle since Boston itself is not a net zero, but not the thousands of feet net down hill where you fall to a PR (prayers for their quads though)
Personally, I don't really care to include the elevation profile into BQ considerations. If it's 26.2, count it. Do you need to start monitoring shoes and eliminate the VaporFly?
That's how I feel. 26.2 in a BQ time is fantastic no matter what. I'm on board to cut down the fundraising entries to allow all BQ time qualifiers in. Nobody should be kept out if they hit the appropriate time needed. That **** makes me angry.
And that's coming from someone who will likely have to get to Boston with a charity. My knees just aren't gonna let me hang the mileage needed to get down to 3:00. Gotta age into it
Unless my super secret cycling cross training works out
And that's coming from someone who will likely have to get to Boston with a charity. My knees just aren't gonna let me hang the mileage needed to get down to 3:00. Gotta age into it
Unless my super secret cycling cross training works out
The Pilot said:
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2022/02/elite-claims-11528-half-marathon-removed-from-results-after-cutting-course.html
TexAgs mentioned in the latest post.
I'm confused why Texags is mentioned in this post……
Quote:
In a statement that was pulled from TexAgs.com forums from Chris, the RD.
Did Chris post the statement directly here or did someone quote it in a thread and whoever wrote this article/post was too lazy to find where it was quoted from?
I couldn't find the post. Maybe it's buried in the trail running thread? Would be odd to mention just out of the blue.
When I googled a line from the quote with site:Texags.com this thread pops up. But looks like the poster or staff edited it
https://texags.com/forums/48/topics/2930665
https://texags.com/forums/48/topics/2930665
htxag09 said:The Pilot said:
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2022/02/elite-claims-11528-half-marathon-removed-from-results-after-cutting-course.html
TexAgs mentioned in the latest post.
I'm confused why Texags is mentioned in this post……Quote:
In a statement that was pulled from TexAgs.com forums from Chris, the RD.
Did Chris post the statement directly here or did someone quote it in a thread and whoever wrote this article/post was too lazy to find where it was quoted from?
I have to assume someone quoted him and posted. Highly unlikely that Chris McWatters posted directly on texags.
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