anyone know anything about this? Have a close friend of family going, and thought I would get a background check from Texags.

the Houston Press did an article on this guy a few years back that supported my theory that the guy is a quack.

Is the Houston Press a credible source?

The article actually highlighted a few of my suspicions, but I generally find these "alterntaive" media sources to be a bit speculative.

based on feedback I got when I researched him, the article is very credible

what feedback was that?

I can't really disclose too much but I talked to and had someone research a nice sampling of his patients and employees. The guy is a quack.

one more thing: That article very very closes aligns with my research on this guy (and is more in depth). What it does not really get into (and Craig mentioned that he might write another article someday) is on how so far out of touch with reality this guy really is. he is a homophobe, sexist (weird since his practice is for women), and a racist. But since you are an objective aggie, please read the scientific part of the article and ask yourself if you want to to give business to a guy that isnt part of any insurance plan, prescribe "medicines" that you can only get thru his pharmacy, and claims that if you dont get better, it's your own damn fault.

I think this might be the guy my SIL worked for a few years back. If it is - TOTAL QUACK. She said they weren't supposed to refer to the people who visited the office as "patients" but as "guests." Within a couple of weeks of working there all she could talk about was how this food combined with that food to cause allergies, we all should take our weight in vitamins every day (OK I exaggerate a leeetle)...Hotze sounded like a quack to me and unfortunately SIL is so easily brainwashed she bought into his horse manure.

he's one of my dad's best friends, and you can get his prescriptions in tons of pharmacies, although he tries to get you to go to his own pharmacy. the only complaint i have is that he is not up with the modern times of true HRT.

FWIW...I'm gonna say he isn't a quack as I had a family member go there after being depressed and on depression meds for 15 or so years...Totally different person, says they have never felt better...Says it was like living in a complete fog and now a totally new life....

While I'm completely against the following, What does being a racist, sexist, and or homophobe have to do with being good at what you do and truly being able to help people?

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I usually don't support quacks, especially those that are using their earned income for political purposes. If jeffrey dahmer was a "good doctor" would you give him money? What about a Nazi skinhead? What about a child molestor?

I could care less whether or not I get along with a doctor but I would never support this son of a *****


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Oh, and while I'm sure some people benefit from his practice, not everyone does. Read the Houston Press article if you haven't already.

And remember, the placebo effect can be amazing.

Sr. Gomez,

I understand your point with Hotze and especially the political side as I was a lobbyist for his cause in DC. The truth is that he IS fighting for his selfish reasons, but if he didn't, then no one would and therefore we would lose the right choose our HRT treatment in this country, thus hurting thousands of people, especially women going through menopause (and you'll be thankful too when your wife goes through it and is able to seek her own treatment)

Harry,

I dont have a problem with his desire for HRT, but I do have a problem with his methods. The guy is a fake. his science is lacking, as are his credentials, which have been fabricated, then retracted. That alone should make you wonder what else he lies about. I mean, the guy prescribes thyroid meds to every single person that walks into that office (hyperbole, but almost that true). I know that isnt what you want to hear but I cant respect someone like this guy. I know he is a friend of yours, but that does not make him a good doctor. Friendships can cloud judgement.

As far as my wife, if she feels the need to seek out HRT, we will research competent doctors that have been involved in peer reviewed double blind studies.

Gomez,

Being someone who worked in the industry for 4 years, I understand what he's trying to do. And yes, I agree with your assessment about his methods. Now he is a friend of the family, and I will say that I agree with the idea of BHRT, but you're right, his methods are too monotonous per patient. I do support his cause, however, because BHRT is important to many people in this country. There ARE more apt drs that practice what he practices in this city and have a better understanding of the science of BHRT. His purpose is primarily greed, and we know that, but he is overall a very decent guy. If you ever want to know the truly good Drs that work in BHRT, let me know and I can direct you. I was a salesman for it.

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I gotta disagree with you there. So will people that he goes to church with, so will some of his patients, and so will some of his employees.

As far as other docs, I would be interested in hearing about them someday.

i guess bottom line is Hotze is a guy you either love or hate, no real middle ground

Funny how when the Houston Press (Superb Medical Journal that it is) deems someone a fake then it must be true! Not too mention if for some reason a "Real" M.D. can't address the issue, there is no way that someone else could...It just had to be placebo effect! Completely Laughable.

As far as being a Nazi, dahmer, or a child molester, I was unaware he had been accused of or found to have eaten people, killed Jews (supported it or otherwise), or had sexual relations with someone below the age of 18. Normally, I really enjoy the stuff you post but that comparison is comical, unfair and far beyond reason. And No, I wouldn't see a doctor that was any of those three.


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I find it comical how you missed the ****ing point.

And I consider myself to be one of the most critical people on this board, and for me to back a publication like the Press takes a great deal of faith in the article, which I have. If you think I posted all this based only on the article and not on my own research, then you obviously don't understand how I form my beliefs when it comes to science and the scientific process. Like I said, the article mirrors my views, which I already had before this article was written.

So in conclusion, Hotze is a piece of dog ****, as is his practice. That's all I have to say on this matter.

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Its official then...I missed the point...Hotze has never helped anyone...its all placebo...Additionally, he is a cannibalistic, jew hating, child molestor and the Houston Press is now the be all, end all on anything it chooses to publish! Nice work.

Sounds good!

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!!!

let me add you to my list of dumbasses that post on this board. There we go, done.

Gomez,

what do you do for a living. you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on health and nutrition.

I'm in finance. Health and nutrition is just a hobby these days. I used to be a trainer when I was fresh out of school and was always a A&P nerd.

When all else fails, resort to name calling...real classy! You'd fit right in over on hornfans.

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!!!

Look, you're the dumbass that couldnt come up with anything better than what you previously posted. And I dont consider it name calling, I call it an accurate description of someone that has the reading comprehension and reason of a 5 yr old.

Oh, and here is a letter from some real doctors regarding Hotze.

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American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
1000 Riverside Avenue, Suite 205
Jacksonville, FL 32204
Ph: (904) 353-7858
October 18, 2005

Mr. Michael Bass
Senior Executive Producer
The Early Show
524 W 57th St
New York, NY 10019-2902

Dear Mr. Bass,

On behalf of the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE), I am writing to express our extreme concern and disappointment with the unchallenged and scientifically erroneous comments offered to your viewing audience by Dr. Steven Hotze during his appearance on the September 19 The Early Show and the effect that this information may have on the health of patients with thyroid disorders.

Clinical endocrinologists are specialists in the care and evaluation of patients with hormonal disorders such as thyroid disease and diabetes. AACE is the largest professional medical organization of clinical endocrinologists in the United States, with over 5,000 member physicians practicing endocrinology throughout the United States and abroad. In order for a physician to become a member of AACE, he or she must demonstrate expertise in clinical endocrinology. The vast majority of AACE members are board certified in the field of Endocrinology and Metabolism by the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM). Qualifications for board certification include the successful completion, after graduation from medical school, of 5-6 years of additional intensive training in accredited programs in internal medicine and Endocrinology and Metabolism. The ABIM has not certified Dr. Hotze as a specialist in endocrinology, nor is he a member of AACE.

Many of Dr. Hotze's claims about the incidence and development of an underactive thyroid condition, commonly referred to as hypothyroidism, were completely erroneous and unsubstantiated, and are readily refuted by a large body of solid scientific evidence. Several examples follow:

1) There is no evidence whatsoever that supports Dr. Hotze's statement "by the time a woman is 50 years old, her thyroid function will decrease by 50 percent, causing her to feel exhausted, depressed and wondering how she's going to make it through her day. But the thyroid lab tests may read normal."

2) He opined incorrectly that thyroid malfunction is caused by changes in thyroid-binding globulin (TBG).

3) Treating patients with ANY type of thyroid hormone solely because they have symptoms that are commonly associated with hypothyroidism is potentially hazardous. Such symptoms are also very common in the general population, most of who do NOT have hypothyroidism and will NOT experience any sustained improvement in their symptoms with thyroid hormone therapy. A scientifically-based diagnosis of hypothyroidism must be made before initiating therapy. Inappropriate thyroid hormone treatment with ANY preparation can lead to thin bones, known as osteoporosis, and cause potentially life-threatening abnormalities of the heart rhythm. Furthermore, when a serious condition such as malignancy or depression is the basis for the patients' symptoms, a delayed diagnosis while waiting to see the effects of treating an unsubstantiated diagnosis of hypothyroidism may lead to preventable suffering and even death.

4) Animal-derived desiccated thyroid, which Dr Hotze endorses and describes as "natural," is not a natural form of thyroid replacement for humans at all. It is an obsolete product obtained from ground-up cattle and pig thyroid glands. The chemical composition is quite variable, since only the iodine content is measured, and the amount of biologically active thyroid hormones in each tablet is not quantified. This makes it extremely difficult for even a trained specialist to properly adjust the dose to fit each patient's needs.

Dr. Hotze's broad-based allegation that physicians' first line approach to their patient's complaints is to use an antidepressant is insulting to hundreds of thousands of qualified, caring, and thoughtful American physicians. It would be unfortunate and potentially harmful if any of your viewers chose to avoid proper medical attention because of it.

It was truly astonishing and puzzling that Ms. Syler, an educated professional journalist on a national television' program, would not challenge the validity of Dr. Hotze's statements in any fashion. His self-serving performance amounted to a thinly veiled infomercial for his practice and book, and the fact that it was permitted, and even invited, does not reflect well on your network.

AACE believes strongly that the national forum CBS provided to Dr. Hotze was a great disservice to your viewers, particularly those seeking and needing scientifically substantiated medical advice on the treatment of hypothyroidism. AACE would be happy to provide legitimate professionally-recognized medical experts to appear on CBS to discuss thyroid and other hormonal disorders in the future. In the meantime, we encourage you to view AACE's guidelines on thyroid disorders at www.aace.com.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Respectfully,

Bill Law Jr., MD, FACE, FACP
President
American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists

AACE is a professional medical organization with more than 5,200 members in the United States and 84 other countries. Founded in 1991, AACE is dedicated to the optimal care of patients with endocrine problems. AACE initiatives inform the public about endocrine disorders. AACE also conducts continuing education programs for clinical endocrinologists, physicians whose advanced, specialized training enables them to be experts in the care of endocrine diseases, such as diabetes, thyroid disorders, growth hormone deficiency, osteoporosis, cholesterol disorders, hypertension and obesity.

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But who gives a crap what they say, since you know someone that was cured, that makes you the expert. nice way to get feelings involved there, jackass.

Funny how I get described as a 5yr old when I'm pretty sure you just went to the dumbass card? Its okay though, probably pretty hard to get any socialization besides "would you like that in tens or twenty's sir" working in finance. I won't hold it against you as your probably a product of a public education system anyhow.

While I appreciate the article, I was simply saying that it could be possible for somebody to have actually gotten a benefit from his treatment despite the AACE expressing concern (specifically about hypothyroidism not his entire practice or treatment). Not too mention, I bet the AACE has a sponsorship from the companies that makes Zoloft, Prozac and the other "Real Treatments" And your article still didn't cite dahmer, jew-hating, or child-molesting...very disappointing.

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!!!

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My God, you are a ****ing idiot!!! Did you even read the Press article? And let me ask you where I said Houston Press it always the best magazine of all time or is the end all be all? Do you have any science background at all? Can you actually read this or do you ahve someone reading it for you? Its like you have the reasoning of a door knob.

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Its okay though, probably pretty hard to get any socialization besides "would you like that in tens or twenty's sir" working in finance.

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Yep, I'm a bank teller. Nice call. I also sell advocare on the side to make ends meet.

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I won't hold it against you as your probably a product of a public education system anyhow.

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Yes, I went to A&M, a public school. how about you? (I actually can guess that youre an Ag b/c of that little tag near your name...now THAT is reading comprehension!!!)

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While I appreciate the article, I was simply saying that it could be possible for somebody to have actually gotten a benefit from his treatment despite the AAE expressing concern.

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Did I ever once say that no one on earth has been/is being/or will be treated effectively by him? NO! and that is where you are failing here. I'm sure he has helped some people but the guy is a fraud and there are better treatments out there for most people. Again, read the Press article.

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Its still comical how you missed the point of that.

I reiterate...DUMB ASS

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too mention, I bet the AACE has a sponsorship from the companies that makes Zoloft, Prozac and the other "Real Treatments"

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And I bet Hotze closes 50% extra deals by convincing people of that "truth", thus increasing his profits

(see, it goes both ways)

Do you know or have you known anyone that has taken those drugs? Ask them how they felt when they took them and if that felt like they were "cured?" I'm quite certain that not one of them would say that they make you feel better as some "real MDs" would have you believe! Then again, those pharm sales people can be pretty persuasive? But no matter...

If your done, We'll have to agree to disagree?

I'm sure the line at the bank is long and there are probably some good ags (who aren't calling you a dumbass or throwing f bombs at you) who have to get back to work soon and need to speak to the "finance" guy. Look forward to reading many more of your H/F eating/exercise related posts.

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!!!

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sad thing is that there are more qualified physicians on the alternative medicine side of healthcare that are more qualified to speak on behalf of hypothyroidism and HRT, but since Hotze is so well known, he is chosen. like i said, he is a friend, and his clinic has helped people, but he needs to update his knowledge. when i lobbied for HRT, i lobbied against a major pharma company in that drs and patients should be given the right to choose how they are treated rather than major corporations and the gov't dictating how they are treated

Nope, bank closed at 4:00pm. You can still access the drive thru though.

And yes, I'm done with you, as you have proven yourself unworthy of having a logical conversation because of your emotional attachment to the issue.

yes, your right...I went all emotional by calling you a dumbass and lobbing f-bombs? I forgot I was the 5 yr old. Have a nice day.

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!!!

Harry,

Thanks for separating the emotional side from the logical argument. I would not choose to have Hotze as a friend, as I dont agree with things that he has said (both publicly and privately). But then again, I have friends that are **** ups and are still good friends even though I disagree with some of thier decisions (my friends in the NFL are a good example).

As far as alternative treatments, I am all for it, as long as it is proven and is effective. Do I think that big pharma has too much pull? Certainly. But Hotze is not the person for the cause.

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yes, your right...I went all emotional by calling you a dumbass and lobbing f-bombs? I forgot I was the 5 yr old. Have a nice day

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again, you have no reading comprehension...the emotional attachement regards your family member and your feelings toward the subject matter being biased.

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