The original Tundra V8 had issues as well. But, the one thing Toyota does well is incrementally improving the engine each year. After several years and a lot learned from failure, the old V8 was awesome.

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BlueSmoke said:

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Too much tech. Too many moving parts. Too complicated with stuff that can easily break.

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I dont like this argument because most people don't remember things accurately when it comes older tech or machines.

Too much tech is subjective. It's not inherently good or bad. It's people who are good or bad with technology and the people who are bad with it aren't willing to learn.

Too many moving parts is objectivley false. Moden vehicles have fewer moving parts than old ones because everything is electronic now. Think of how many moving parts were involved with just a carburetor.

Too complicated with stuff that can easily break is two different things. Too complicated is again subjective. Stuff that can easily break I will somewhat agree with you on. Lots of stuff made out of plastic or aluminum these days to try to meet MPG requirements.

I have owned two vehicles, a 2012 chevy half ton and a 2022 half ton. The 2012 I only ever replaced tires, batteries, and spark plugs in 130,000 miles. The 2022 has had nothing done yet but oil changes but it only has 19,000 miles so we will see.

I have heard from folks older than me that vehicles from the 70's and 80's were constantly needing various things worked on, minor or major. It has been my experience that newer vehicles have been very reliable. Even the much liked GMT400's that I learned drive on had problems. They didn't call the transmission in those 4LslipE for nothing.

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I think part of it is the price of modern high-tech cars, plus the insane costs of repairs. For instance, the recirculation is broken in my F-150...a proper fix supposedly would cost in the thousands. That's f-ing insane lol.

Yea, my dad's early 80's Caprice may have had some issues, but he or his friends were able to fix most things themselves, and in the event they couldn't, prices at the mechanic were not back breaking. Also, mechanics seemed FAR more competant back when cars were simpler.

Long story short, you FEEL IT way more now when you just paid $70-85k for a truck that is failing at 30-40k miles. And when cost of rapairs on modern autos WAY outpace inflation over the decades.

My neightbor has a 1-yr old ZR2 that I am guessing cost him at least $75k...already having significant drive train issues...I'd be LIVID.

Yeah everyone says that crap and I know there's a lot of truth behind it but it's still frustrating. I spent a small fortune last year on a truck because it had a standard transmission.

Thanks for explaining the basics of the free market to us.

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agracer said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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Too much tech. Too many moving parts. Too complicated with stuff that can easily break.

Favorite truck I ever had was an '88 Ford extended cab with that bulletproof, inline-6. Dual gas tanks. Vinyl seats. Manual transmission. Zero issues for decades with that old girl. Man, a truck like that would be easy to make, have minimal maintenance, and sell like hotcakes.

And they'll never make it.....

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because no one will buy them.

it's like everyone lamenting the loss of the manual transmission. You can still get a few cars with them and they're not selling.

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Maybe not trucks, but others truly want six speed manuals on cars.

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Some really do but the market says most don't

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Does anyone think that Toyota just flat out eats $30K motor replacements on an $80K truck. Its like insurance. They may payout, but the rest of the poor souls are going to have their rates raised.

This motor replacement is evened out by the next purchasers of said vehicles, so these failures are recaptured for the motor company.

All for a BS reason of muh-environment.

Bring back the naturally aspirated V8/V6, and drop vehicle prices across the board by doing so.

It's not that hard.

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