Howdy,

Recently purchased an F250 Lariat Tremor and have been doing some research on other boards and what not.

For the 2024s, it's broadly noted that the F250 Tremor is literally the exact same truck as the F350 Tremor with a lower rated sticker (10k GVWR).

This means it's got the 350 extra spring and overload spring in the back as well as the heavier axle (tremor also has the better front Dana axle too).

Right now, the door sticker is right at 3,000 lbs payload where a normal F250 lariat (same options) is 3,400lbs (I was intently looking at the same truck with and without the Tremor package).

I know there's the legal/towing police on here but what do we reasonably think the actual payload on this F250 is? somewhere in the 3,700 lbs range?

Just curious as I start to look at 5th wheels and looking at weight options.

Also, for those with 5th wheels, how accurate have you found the "pin weight" on TT websites? I don't believe the 10% rule of bumper pulls has anything to do with these and curious what loaded weight in the trailer (if behind or near the axles) actually adds to the pin weight.

When I was doing research on pulling our 38.5' 5th wheel, I remember realizing that "legally", an F250 can't be pulling most normal 5th wheels.

We were full-timing(so heavier than most), and our Heartland Bighorn(basic 5th wheel) was "overloading" our SRW F350 by about 1000 lbs

overloading from a GCVWR or a Payload perspective?

I should also have mentioned, I'm getting the 7.3 gasser which adds more payload than the 6.7s dues to the weight of those engines.

I've seen some 3/4 ton gassers with 4k lbs of payload.

Now, it's "tow rating" goes up to 18k lbs (where a Diesel pushes over 20k) but I don't see myself pulling more than 16k.

FWIW, I'm looking at 5th wheels in in the 40' max range with 12-14k weight and 2000 to 2400lb pin weights.

GCWR. Mine is 11500

What's your payload?

I definitely think the diesel 250s with high end packages lose a ton of payload.

I've seen a Ram 250 diesel with 1900 sticker payload. That's less than some half ton trucks.

JB said:

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GCWR. Mine is 11500

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I think you mean GVWR. It's 10k on this one. I've read that mfgs also derate these to keep them at 10k as to not go into the "commercial" GVWR rating for insurance and other reasons (varies by state).

I'm not saying I will purposely exceed that (insurance police) but if the truck is actually built to be, say, 11,500, it makes me feel like I'm not pushing it quite as much, mechanically.

GCVWR is something like 28,000 lbs (trailer + truck)

JB said:

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When I was doing research on pulling our 38.5' 5th wheel, I remember realizing that "legally", an F250 can't be pulling most normal 5th wheels.

We were full-timing(so heavier than most), and our Heartland Bighorn(basic 5th wheel) was "overloading" our SRW F350 by about 1000 lbs

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So when you say overloading by 1000 lbs, you got on scale and the truck's axles clocked in at 12,500 (11,500+1000)?

You probably had 3,500 lbs on the pin, at least!

My bad. Yes, GVWR is 11500.

Scale said 12-12500ish for both truck axles combined. I think the truck weighs around 9k

I saved those damn weight tickets forever but must have tossed it.

I hope my memory is correct, its been a few years.



If "the combined weight of occupants and cargo should not exceed X" is the payload, than that number is 3223 for my specific 2016 F350 Lariat 8' bed

It's my understanding that the F250 Tremor uses the F350 rear springs to gain the slight lift/ride height over the standard F250. And this is the reason that the Tremor has a rougher ride than a standard F250. Again, it's what I have heard, and I have no idea how valid that is.

The camper package also adds F350 suspension parts, the camper package also adds a rear sway bar.

The tremor also has 3.55 rear gears rather than the 3.73 that comes on most F250s which is worse for towing. The tremor's front axle is also the same as a normal f250s but with a limited slip diff.

StockHorseAg said:

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The camper package also adds F350 suspension parts, the camper package also adds a rear sway bar.

The tremor also has 3.55 rear gears rather than the 3.73 that comes on most F250s which is worse for towing. The tremor's front axle is also the same as a normal f250s but with a limited slip diff.

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Since I'm getting the godzilla 7.3, the rear-end is 4.3 instead of 3.73 (comes stock with 35" tires). This helps with towing since the 3.73 would be struggling with those tires.

Correct on the sway bar in the rear. It's removed on the tremor for "offroading" but I've seen where people put one back on it.

and Yes on the front-end LSD vs regular open diff.

3.55 vs. 3.73 is the diesel only comparison, I believe.

jrrhouston98 said:

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It's my understanding that the F250 Tremor uses the F350 rear springs to gain the slight lift/ride height over the standard F250. And this is the reason that the Tremor has a rougher ride than a standard F250. Again, it's what I have heard, and I have no idea how valid that is.

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It's valid from the videos I've seen. Videos online of people with them side by side showing the 250 has the same suspension and axle as the 350.

I did notice it rode a bit rougher than the standard 250 FX4 (I test drove both) but thought it was due to offroad suspension and maybe tires being stiffer from difference in airing at the dealer.

Makes more sense now knowing the leaf spring difference. FWIW, the new 250s drive like a cadillac, very smooth. The tremor definitely felt like a truck.

great pic.

That makes more sense that you were at 12k... a 9k vehicle + pin of trailer + weight in car (people, fuel, etc.) would definitely get you to 3klbs.

and yes, the "total combined weight of occupants... etc." is the payload. Basically, it's the most amount of weight that should be sitting on the suspension including everything from a bag of taco bell in passenger seat to a cooler of beer in the back next to the trailer hitch.

Diesels are lower often because that engine weighs so much more. FWIW, the curb weight on this is like 7,200 lbs vs the 9k of your 8' bed diesel.

Edit: you also got that big ass ranch hand on the front. What does that thing weigh? 200 lbs?

That makes sense for the gas ones, I didn't think about that.

ChoppinDs40 said:

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Howdy,

Recently purchased an F250 Lariat Tremor and have been doing some research on other boards and what not.

For the 2024s, it's broadly noted that the F250 Tremor is literally the exact same truck as the F350 Tremor with a lower rated sticker (10k GVWR).

This means it's got the 350 extra spring and overload spring in the back as well as the heavier axle (tremor also has the better front Dana axle too).

Right now, the door sticker is right at 3,000 lbs payload where a normal F250 lariat (same options) is 3,400lbs (I was intently looking at the same truck with and without the Tremor package).

I know there's the legal/towing police on here but what do we reasonably think the actual payload on this F250 is? somewhere in the 3,700 lbs range?

Just curious as I start to look at 5th wheels and looking at weight options.

Also, for those with 5th wheels, how accurate have you found the "pin weight" on TT websites? I don't believe the 10% rule of bumper pulls has anything to do with these and curious what loaded weight in the trailer (if behind or near the axles) actually adds to the pin weight.

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You should have a loading paper in the glovebox with the actual info.

If you buy the F250 with certain payload packages, you will get the 1 ton axle and springs