Advice on disposing of a BMW

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JamesPShelley said:

nortex97 said:

Thx to OP for posting this. I wish more folks understood that BMW's are engineered to be disposable short-term vehicles.
Tell that to the 86 325es recently I sold wiith 290K on the clock. Still running.

However, I wouldn't touch any bimmer after 1994. There's your disposable car.

(My 98 986 will run forever.)
BMW are great cars.

Xdrive adds a significant complication...
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Since this is the BMW thread now, one of y'all should buy this Aggie wagon and post about it:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KPAaQ5eo/2006-bmw-325xi-sports-wagon
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Thank God I bought that 760Li last week.

Otherwise I'd be all in on this M3 in Laguna Seca Blue.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-m3-coupe-51/

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What's the update on the sale?
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BMW just seems to build their vehicles to a cost without regard for durability, imho, more than other mfg's:
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With a BMW X3, you won't face one major problem but a ton of little ones, cautions Trahan.
"I fix so many of these, it's actually insane," he shares. "Nothing really major breaks on these, but everything around the motor and transmission breaks. It's all plastic, you take it apart and it probably breaks."
And you don't have to rack up a ton of miles before the BMW X3 starts wearing down, either. Most of these aforementioned issues occur around the 60,000-mile mark, Trahan notes.
Bottom line, he says: "It's a nightmare to work on, and they're expensive to fix."
And, they hate people who work on them (including technicians):
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nortex97 said:

BMW just seems to build their vehicles to a cost without regard for durability, imho, more than other mfg's:

Quality is my second biggest complaint with BMW. Awesome to drive. Amazing tech. Generally easy to mod for great HP/TQ gains. Typically good styling, but you better be able to work on them yourself out of warranty.

Dumb things like running an oil passage through the alternator requiring 6hrs to replace a $.22 gasket. Or the decades old valve stem seal issues, rod bearings, and interior pieces falling apart. Idk how many times I've glued seat back and door panel brackets back on an old BMW after the factory adhesive softened in the Texas heat. BMW is the only car brand I've ever needed to do that with.

I haven't seen similar issues with my Cayenne. Seems relatively well put together compared to my X5. Only interior finish issues I've seen are delaminating dash/door panels which is common across most brands that do full leather and terrible a-pillar covers that won't stay up. Porsche seat leather seems to wear quite a bit better than BMW too. Porsche also seems to do extended warranty campaigns somewhat frequently. I haven't really seen that from BMW other than for safety issues.

First complaint with BMW is the terrible beaver tooth front grilles they're using on current designs. Really hope they tone those down

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Yep, the older pre-Bangle Beemers to me seemed really beautiful, but I just sort of assume part of that is me being an old man about it. I don't get the current look at all, especially if they are going to push more and more to the EV side they really have no need for the Buckee's face.
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HollywoodBQ said:

Thank God I bought that 760Li last week.

Otherwise I'd be all in on this M3 in Laguna Seca Blue.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-m3-coupe-51/


That same car sold a couple of years ago for $92,000. Holy crap!
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Matsui said:

What's the update on the sale?


For now, I'm holding on to it and plan on driving it into the ground as my daily commuter.

It still has original timing chain assembly mentioned as potential issue earlier in thread but I've read not all fail, and failure tends to be more probable if you are not diligent with oil changes as broken down oil degrades the plastic components. From what I can inspect through the oil fill my chain looks brand new (versus burnt orange looking comparisons I've seen on YouTube).

I do appreciate the excellent feedback on this thread - thank you all. I'm happy to have provided a space to vent about some of the frustrating aspects of BMW ownership.

I could still use a number (besides donation organizations) to dispose of this thing when repair cost exceeds value.
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Looking at a 2013 X3 with 99,409 miles for $10,700. What should I ask about timing belt replacement? What other services at 100k?
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PMD03 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

Thank God I bought that 760Li last week.

Otherwise I'd be all in on this M3 in Laguna Seca Blue.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-m3-coupe-51/


That same car sold a couple of years ago for $92,000. Holy crap!
There's a Laguna Seca Blue M3 right now on Leander FBM with 120k miles and they're asking over $50k. Seems like an "I know what I got" kinda guy but the car has had a ton of receipts including rod bearings. Still insane to pay that much with that many miles.
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Aggie95 said:

Looking at a 2013 X3 with 99,409 miles for $10,700. What should I ask about timing belt replacement? What other services at 100k?

See if it's even the same motor, I think for 2013 the 6 cylinder should be the n55 and it has different weaknesses. The timing chain tensioner/components generally aren't one of them.
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Aggie95 said:

Looking at a 2013 X3 with 99,409 miles for $10,700. What should I ask about timing belt replacement? What other services at 100k?
Cooling system. All hoses, water pump, radiator and thermostat. BMW cooling systems love to grenade around 100k. I'd also have a PPI done to verify the suspension is good. That's around the time ball joints and other suspension components start to wear out. Driveshaft guibos may also be cracked and need a replacement. 100k tends to be service life for them on BMW IME.

With 100k miles, Service 2 should have been done. I'd check carfax (and if dealer maintained) see if the servicing dealer has the records. There's also services online that will give you the full dealer service history based on vin for a small charge. I find those helpful. It'll be due for a brake fluid change, transmission fluid change, spark plugs, and O2 sensors.

Those are the things that make a $10k BMW become more expensive to maintain than to buy.

I'd also get a code reader than can pull from all of the car's modules so you can figure out more quickly what's going on when the CEL comes on. I maintain my M6 fairly well and have thrown a few random CELs recently. It's a lot less stressful being able to quickly see what the issue is when "reduced engine power" pops up in the cluster.

There's some good aftermarket carplay options available fairly inexpensively if you want to modernize things a bit. You can also do quite a bit of convenience coding on the X3 (windows up/down with remote, auto headlights retain settings, heat/cool seats retain settings, increase number of blinks with comfort blink, etc)

Post up some pics if you go thru with the purchase!
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LOL, @ 100K "well, check to make sure the entire cooling system, timing chain, suspension, spark plugs, transmission fluid, water pump, and anything made of rubber basically."

To be fair, most vehicles need a water pump/spark plugs/brake fluid done at that age.
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txyaloo said:

PMD03 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

Thank God I bought that 760Li last week.

Otherwise I'd be all in on this M3 in Laguna Seca Blue.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-bmw-m3-coupe-51/


That same car sold a couple of years ago for $92,000. Holy crap!
There's a Laguna Seca Blue M3 right now on Leander FBM with 120k miles and they're asking over $50k. Seems like an "I know what I got" kinda guy but the car has had a ton of receipts including rod bearings. Still insane to pay that much with that many miles.
I think I had about 105k miles on mine when I moved to Australia.
Sold it in early 2008 for about $18k.

I don't see too many Laguna Seca Blue E46 M3s running around anymore but, every time I do, I'm reminded of how much I loved driving that car.
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nortex97 said:

LOL, @ 100K "well, check to make sure the entire cooling system, timing chain, suspension, spark plugs, transmission fluid, water pump, and anything made of rubber basically."

To be fair, most vehicles need a water pump/spark plugs/brake fluid done at that age.
That's BMW recommended maintenance schedule for most of those parts... Not sure what you expect? That's why BMWs depreciate so quickly. People dump them to avoid the required maintenance.

I've owned a few old BMWs. I got bit by the cooling system on one because I was lazy. Changed everything other than the water pump (which I'd bought but was too lazy to swap) at 105k. A few months later it seized up on I10 outside Ozona on a Sunday. I don't screw around with old BMW cooling systems any more after that $1500 tow.

In around a decade of ownership, and ~30k miles, that same old BMW has needed both rear air struts, replacement air compressor and accumulator valve, valve cover/valley cover gaskets, a repaint of the hood/roof, hood/rear hatch struts, a new front cv, heater valve, several door rubbers, multiple window regulators and door handle carriers, plus the cooling system replacement. It likely needs the timing chain guides done now.

They've gotten better since the early 2000s, but they're still pretty disposable cars once deferred maintenance kicks in
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I just replaced the plastic Mickey Mouse coolant flange (with a metal one) on my N55, and I bet I was a few highway miles away from a similar disaster. It disintegrated in my hand.
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