Rant: Dealerships refuse to directly communicate by email

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Ryan the Temp
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One thing I have grown to loathe as my vehicle search has dragged on is that dealerships put potential customers in never-ending auto-generated email hell to try to force you to call them. I make a point of not providing my phone number when submitting inquiries because I don't want to spend time on the phone with a bunch of dealerships (and they'll call non-stop all day long).

After being lied to over the phone by NW Hyundai (a Keating dealership), I suspect they don't like to communicate by email because it reduces their ability to deceive customers and renege on commitments they make. The most annoying part, though, is how they pretend that email is a viable way of communicating with them. I've contacted probably 20 dealerships and almost universally when I've submitted an inquiry on a vehicle with very specific question entered into the comment box (i.e. "What is the OTR for this vehicle?"), I get some version of this back:
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Thank you for your interest in the [car model]. Do you have any specific questions about the vehicle, process or dealership I can answer? How can I help you move along through the process of getting your next new car? Please feel free to call, text, or email me anytime. I am here to help.
When I respond back with the information/questions I previously submitted, I get the same auto-generated email back. One dealership sent me this same email 8 times. Inevitably, I also get an auto-generated email with the GM's name on it:
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I am the General Manager of [dealership]

I would like to personally thank you for considering your next purchase from our dealership.

Purchasing a vehicle is one of the most important decisions you will make, so I want to make sure that all of your questions have been answered to your satisfaction.

Should you need help with this, please do not hesitate to contact me directly
It doesn't seem to matter which vehicle make it is, the language is pretty much identical and when I respond I get the same auto-generated responses. Out of the 20 or so dealerships I'm contacted, 17 of them dropped me into and endless loop of the first email version quoted above, 10 have sent the GM email. 5 of the dealerships still have not responded to questions about vehicle pricing and availability after more than a week of my responding to auto-generated emails.

My point here, I guess, is that in today's communications environment, dealerships should move away from the sales model wherein they force potential customers to call them to ask a simple question like, "Is this vehicle still available?" or "What is the price on this vehicle?" I think Honda is probably one of the worst offenders here with forcing customers to call them because they don't even put vehicle prices on their websites. I stopped looking at Honda entirely for that reason.
crowman2010
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I wish dealerships went away entirely...for this reason
bobinator
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Dealing with the same thing... it's extremely annoying.

I do understand that they probably get a lot of dumb emails they have to filter through, but I'd much rather verify a couple of things over email before I get on the phone.
Ryan the Temp
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I forgot to include that sales people like to call at inappropriate hours of the day. I've received calls from dealerships as early as 6:30 AM and as late as 9:00 PM.
htxag09
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Maybe I got lucky or maybe it has more to do with the dealer. When we got my wife's car we solely communicated via email. I contacted audi, Mercedes, and Lincoln all via email and all responded and we communicated availability, price, etc.

When I got my last truck I did the same with ford. I had emails with basically every dealer in a 100 mile radius. For my current ford I just talked directly to a boards contact.
aggiedata
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Save your sanity and contact one of the guys on this site to order you a car.
crowman2010
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The absolute worst thing is when there's a "special" on the website that states they have a specific vehicle make/model/trim for a specific price or monthly loan payment, you see that exact vehicle on their site, they verify the vehicle is on their lot, then say that the special doesn't apply to that vehicle...its bull**** and deceptive trade 101
Ryan the Temp
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aggiedata said:

Save your sanity and contact one of the guys on this site to order you a car.

I've done that. Waiting for to follow-up with me.
MouthBQ98
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Dealerships are a make work program that states keep alive for wealthy donors.
Emotional Support Cobra
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I had a fantastic experience at Gunn in San Antonio. I was emailed by a salesman, he was super communicative, and saw us through til the end and after the sale. The only bot I heard from was in scheduled follow-ups to rate my service etc.
FIDO*98*
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I had my Honda Accord ordered in about 10 minutes by phone at San Marcos Honda. It was easy and pleasant. Same with my Ram truck from Bluebonnet in NB. Same with Gilliam Subaru when my wife got her Outback.

You are having issues because you simply don't like the current market. It's not changing anytime soon.
Ryan the Temp
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FIDO*98* said:

You are having issues because you simply don't like the current market. It's not changing anytime soon.
I'm curious to know how my personal opinion of the market dictates whether or not dealerships send automated emails or put their vehicle pricing online. I didn't know I had that much power.
drummer0415
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In the current market, dealerships don't have to "try" as hard. People need cars, and cars are scarce. Dealers only have to sit back and let customers come to them (literally in person), and then make more margin on the easy sales than the ever have. They don't have to chase leads, they don't have to work for it, they don't have to care about customer service.

All of this is 100% BECAUSE of the current market. Its just not like it used to be. I think everybody here understands your frustrations and will agree that it's a terrible way to do business, but unfortunately it's just the way it is, and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.

Best thing to do is just suck it up, buy the car you want, and quit letting it get you ass chapped. Or just quit looking for now and try again in another year or two.
ElephantRider
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drummer0415 said:

In the current market, dealerships don't have to "try" as hard. People need cars, and cars are scarce. Dealers only have to sit back and let customers come to them (literally in person), and then make more margin on the easy sales than the ever have. They don't have to chase leads, they don't have to work for it, they don't have to care about customer service.

All of this is 100% BECAUSE of the current market. Its just not like it used to be. I think everybody here understands your frustrations and will agree that it's a terrible way to do business, but unfortunately it's just the way it is, and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.

Best thing to do is just suck it up, buy the car you want, and quit letting it get you ass chapped. Or just quit looking for now and try again in another year or two.
Yep, it makes a bad situation even worse. Dealers can treat you like ****, because if you don't buy it someone else will. I'm probably going to have to get my wife a new car in the next year or so, and I am absolutely dreading it.
FIDO*98*
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Your opinion is irrelevant just like MSRP is irrelevant when it comes to being upside down. You're mad at the market so you come TexAgs to complain. Meanwhile, I picked up the phone and had everything taken care of in about 10 minutes. I may not like the market either but I understand it and accepted things as they are.
Ryan the Temp
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I certainly understand that to a degree and to be clear, it's not all dealership, just 2/3 of the ones I've contacted. Several have sent back quotes and some have said they have no inventory and could only give me pricing if I pre-ordered. I appreciate the ones who provided productive responses.

But ... When I contact a dealership to say "What is your OTR on this vehicle? If the numbers look good, I am prepared to purchase this vehicle today." and get a bunch of automated emails back that don't even try to get me in the door, that seems counterproductive to me. After all, they could spend five minutes emailing me a quote or I can walk in and eat up two hours of their time doing the song and dance before they ever write numbers down.

I suppose the typical conventions of time having value may not apply in this scenario.

maverick12
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All of my communication with 1Ags TV contact were via email.
Ryan the Temp
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FIDO*98* said:

Your opinion is irrelevant just like MSRP is irrelevant when it comes to being upside down. You're mad at the market so you come TexAgs to complain. Meanwhile, I picked up the phone and had everything taken care of in about 10 minutes. I may not like the market either but I understand it and accepted things as they are.
I am 100% certain dealerships could give two ****s what I think, and yes, I'm complaining on TexAgs. So what? That's why I put the word "rant" in the subject line. My apologies if you feel you were somehow misled about what this thread was intended to be.
AgGrad99
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Emotional Support Cobra said:

I had a fantastic experience at Gunn in San Antonio. I was emailed by a salesman, he was super communicative, and saw us through til the end and after the sale. The only bot I heard from was in scheduled follow-ups to rate my service etc.
Same.

We bought a vehicle for my son there, and they were fantastic to deal with.
Naveronski
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maverick12 said:

All of my communication with 1Ags TV contact were via email.

My APT's Toyota contact communication was email as well.
Not sure if we ever met face to face, but the transaction was smooth and as promised.

It seems like dealing with the reps on TexAgs is the better way to handle things.
Ryan the Temp
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Perfect example of the reason for my rant here - In the last hour I was contacted by one of the dealerships I got the most bot messages from. The salesman told me he will not email a vehicle quote. He will only only provide a quote on a vehcle over the phone or in person.
FIDO*98*
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So pick up a phone. It's not that hard
aggiepaintrain
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Buying a car right now is a BEAT DOWN, if you don't have an 'IN' you are 'OUT'

My Toyota contact is still selling what he gets that's not reserved for MSRP.
That includes gas Camry, Corolla, Avalon, Tacoma (no TRD PRO), 4Runner (not TRD PRO or ultra rare package combo), Tundra, Highlander, RAV-4.
All Hybrids are all presold. I can't even get one.

Ryan the Temp
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FIDO*98* said:

So pick up a phone. It's not that hard
I did. I never said I wasn't willing to talk on the phone.
FIDO*98*
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What's really funny is you are exactly the type of person that makes dealers not want to email quotes. Because people like you take the quote to another dealer and another dealer and another dealer so you're wasting everybody's time. I don't like customers that waste my time and energy either
Ryan the Temp
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FIDO*98* said:

Because people like you take the quote to another dealer and another dealer and another dealer
I've never done this any of the other eight times I've purchased a vehicle and I won't do it now.. It has been suggested that I do (and I even asked on TA if that's a worthwhile venture), but I'd rather give my business to the place who gives me the best deal up front. It saves us all a a lot of time and effort.
AgGrad99
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I dont really look at it like that.

I empathize with him. As a recent buyer, it was a ridiculous buying experience, from every direction.

We're all familiar with some of the tricks of the trade, but it was like shady tactics on steroids. No one wanted to work over the phone or via email. But I cannot even count the number of times I went to a dealership to look at a vehicle that wasnt there...and likely wasnt when I talk to the salesman about it.

And what's wrong with him shopping around? We do it with everything from shoes, to appliances, to houses...but for some reason dealerships get offended when we want to shop for a good price on a vehicle? No offense, but if I could trust the salespeople I deal with, I wouldnt shop around as much, or at all.

In the past, I'd email several dealerships, and make an offer I thought was fair. If someone accepted I'd drive over to sign the papers. Cant do that now.

But this past year, I struggled to get confirmation the vehicle was actually in their possession.

Gunn Auto in San Antonio was awesome. We randomly saw a vehicle on their lot. They had a good price, they were honest, and their service from start to finish was painless. I'll look to them first next time.
Ryan the Temp
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AgGrad99 said:

But I cannot even count the number of times I went to a dealership to look at a vehicle that wasnt there...and likely wasnt when I talk to the salesman about it.
I had this experience today.
FIDO*98*
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Ok, my apologies, but that is the reason dealers don't want to email quote. I guess you need the car now where ii was able to order so that made things easier as well. Nothing wrong with shopping around. I called 6 Honda dealers and probably spent no more than an hour on the phone. I guess part of it is just my age and think that is much simpler than emailing
AgGrad99
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I hear ya. From their perspective I get it.

But for most working professionals, the phone is convenient...whether that's a call/text/email.
htxag09
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drummer0415 said:

In the current market, dealerships don't have to "try" as hard. People need cars, and cars are scarce. Dealers only have to sit back and let customers come to them (literally in person), and then make more margin on the easy sales than the ever have. They don't have to chase leads, they don't have to work for it, they don't have to care about customer service.

All of this is 100% BECAUSE of the current market. Its just not like it used to be. I think everybody here understands your frustrations and will agree that it's a terrible way to do business, but unfortunately it's just the way it is, and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.

Best thing to do is just suck it up, buy the car you want, and quit letting it get you ass chapped. Or just quit looking for now and try again in another year or two.

I agree with all this. But you'd think it make individual sales reps try even harder. They don't have the number of cars on the lot. So if they aren't following up on leads another sales rep will sell that car….
Ryan the Temp
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FIDO*98* said:

Ok, my apologies, but that is the reason dealers don't want to email quote. I guess you need the car now where ii was able to order so that made things easier as well. Nothing wrong with shopping around. I called 6 Honda dealers and probably spent no more than an hour on the phone. I guess part of it is just my age and think that is much simpler than emailing
Worked with reproag from TA entirely via email and got on the phone this afternoon to pull the trigger. I'm buying a car!
reproag
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drummer0415 said:

In the current market, dealerships don't have to "try" as hard. People need cars, and cars are scarce. Dealers only have to sit back and let customers come to them (literally in person), and then make more margin on the easy sales than the ever have. They don't have to chase leads, they don't have to work for it, they don't have to care about customer service.

All of this is 100% BECAUSE of the current market. Its just not like it used to be. I think everybody here understands your frustrations and will agree that it's a terrible way to do business, but unfortunately it's just the way it is, and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.

Best thing to do is just suck it up, buy the car you want, and quit letting it get you ass chapped. Or just quit looking for now and try again in another year or two.
That's not everyone, just saying
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ElephantRider said:

drummer0415 said:

In the current market, dealerships don't have to "try" as hard. People need cars, and cars are scarce. Dealers only have to sit back and let customers come to them (literally in person), and then make more margin on the easy sales than the ever have. They don't have to chase leads, they don't have to work for it, they don't have to care about customer service.

All of this is 100% BECAUSE of the current market. Its just not like it used to be. I think everybody here understands your frustrations and will agree that it's a terrible way to do business, but unfortunately it's just the way it is, and it doesn't appear to be changing any time soon.

Best thing to do is just suck it up, buy the car you want, and quit letting it get you ass chapped. Or just quit looking for now and try again in another year or two.
Yep, it makes a bad situation even worse. Dealers can treat you like ****, because if you don't buy it someone else will. I'm probably going to have to get my wife a new car in the next year or so, and I am absolutely dreading it.
If they are treating you bad now then they are showing you their true colors. Just my $0.02.
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Ryan the Temp said:

I forgot to include that sales people like to call at inappropriate hours of the day. I've received calls from dealerships as early as 6:30 AM and as late as 9:00 PM.
I am obviously not a car salesman, but I do sell roofing, and install it. It has been my practice with every customer to test out ALL means of communication. I also take note of when and how customer contacts me. So, in the course of correspondence, I've sent emails, phone calls, and a few texts, and the customer contacts me almost entirely over text and email between 6pm-10pm....well, that's when I contact them and the manner in which I do it.

People have their own schedules and preferences. Some of the older dudes like phone calls at 8am, some of the old dudes like exclusive email at all hours of the day. LOL.

I also, as a point of reference, keep close tabs on what I send in recoverable formats. By that I mean that if I am trying to keep a customer in the box, and they ask about discounts related to deductibles (which is illegal), then I'm most likely going to make that verbal and say "that's illegal and I can't do that, but perhaps there are some other discounts on side work that are possible." Believe it or not, THAT conversation can come back as "Dude said he'd pay for my deductible". Without an email, that guy has nothing, the customer will go away, and I continue to operate above board.

I assumed car dealers don't like anything in writing because the turnover rate with sales guys probably would open them to a lot of liability so they limit that.
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