UPDATE: #3

2022 Expedition order bank opened 10-25-21

2021 Expedition order bank closes on 11-04-21 BUT HAVE YOUR ORDERS IN ON 11-3-21

UPDATE: #2
*** Balance out date extended to Oct 13. This will be the last day to place an order for a 2021 Expedition. Obviously this can change again. I'll update y'all if it does change.***

*** Oct 6th is the last day to order a 2021 Expedition. Order bank closes on the Oct 7th****


This was released Friday but I didn't have a chance to post it. Big news to most of the AB is the 15.5" screen is standard on the KR & Platinum only. The 12'" screen, like the F150, is on everything else.

ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Model Lineup Changes

• All-new Timberline 4x4 series (500A, 501A)
• New Limited Stealth Performance Edition Equipment Group (304A) added to Limited
• Limited Equipment Group 300A no longer available
• XLT Equipment Group 201A no longer available

Packages

• Stealth Edition Package now includes:
  
  • Sport-tuned suspension
  • Ebony Black, twin-spar grille
  • Ford CoPilot360 Assist 2.0
• Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package now includes:
  
  • Digital Rear View Camera
  • Reverse Brake Assist
  • 360-Degree Camera with Trailer Reverse Guidance (XLT High and above)
  • No longer included: heavy-duty radiator
• Special Edition Package (50T) now offered on XLT 202A (previously Limited 302A) and includes:
  
  • 20" bright-machined aluminum wheels with Dark Carbonized Gray-painted pockets
  • Ford CoPilot360 Assist+
  • LED fog lamps with painted accent color bezels
  • LED reflector headlamps with signature lighting and bright bezels
  • Tires P275/55R20 All-Season
  • Turn signal indicators on sideview mirrors
  • Vinyl center console
• Texas Edition Package (17T) now offered on XLT 202A (previously Limited 302A)

Packages No Longer Available

• Cargo Package
• Convenience Package
• FX4 Off-Road Package (replaced by Timberline 4x4 series)

Accessory Packages (Dealer-Installed Options)

• Outfitters Bike Package (rooftop bike carrier)
• Outfitters Cargo Package (with cargo box)
• Outfitters Cargo Package (with roof basket)

Performance and Capability

• 3.5L high-output EcoBoost V6 engine standard on Timberline and Limited Stealth Performance Package
• Auto Start/Stop Delete available
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist 2.0

Interior

• ActiveX Seating Material now available on XLT 200A
• Ambient lighting now included in XLT 202A
• Universal garage door opener now standard
• Second-row audio controls now standard on Platinum only
• SiriusXM with 360L is optional on XL; standard on XLT and above

Exterior

• All-new wheels, including:
  
  • 22" 6-spoke polished aluminum wheels for King Ranch and Platinum
  • 22" premium black-painted aluminum wheels for the Stealth Edition
• LED headlamps on all models
• Refreshed front fascia design, including bumper, grille, headlamps and lower valance
• Refreshed rear design, including bumper, applique and taillamps
• Zone Lighting (included on Timberline and Platinum)
• New Exterior Colors
  
  • Infinite Blue Metallic Tinted Clearcoat (AB)
  • Dark Matter Metallic (HY)
  • Forged Green Metallic (L9)
  • Stone Blue Metallic (C8)
• Deleted Colors
  
  • Antimatter Blue Metallic
  • Burgundy Velvet Metallic Tinted Clearcoat
  • Kodiak Brown Metallic
  • Magnetic Metallic

Connectivity Technology

• Ford Power-Up software updates
• SYNC 4 with Enhanced Voice Recognition and 12" center-stack touchscreen standard on XL, XLT and Limited
• SYNC 4A with Enhanced Voice Recognition and 15.5" center-stack touchscreen optional on Timberline and Limited; standard on King Ranch and Platinum

Ford CoPilot360 Technology

• 360-Degree Camera with six new camera views
  
  • 360 camera corner
  • 360 camera offset
  • Hitch view
  • Object detected camera
  • Rear camera on demand
  • Trailer Reverse Guidance
• Ford CoPilot360 Technology now included on all models:
  
  • Post-Collision Braking
  • Rear Cross-Traffic Brake Assist
  • Rear Parking Sensors
  • Road Edge Detection now included in Lane-Keeping System
• Ford CoPilot360 Assist+
  
  • Optional on XLT and Timberline, standard on Limited and above
  • Blind Spot Assist
  • Connected Built-In Navigation (3-year trial)(2)
  • Evasive Steering Assist
  • Front Parking Sensors
  • Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop-and-Go, Lane Centering and Speed Sign Recognition
  • Intersection Assist
• Ford CoPilot360 Assist 2.0
  
  • Optional on Limited, standard on King Ranch and Platinum
  • 360-Degree Camera with Split-View Display and front/rear washer
  • Active Park Assist 2.0
  • Reverse Brake Assist
• Ford CoPilot360 Active 2.0
  
  • Standard on Platinum
  • BlueCruise hands-free highway driving
• Forward Sensing System is now called Front Parking Sensors
• Reverse Sensing System is now called Rear Parking Sensors
• Side Sensing System is now called Side Parking Sensors

Safety

• Rear seat occupant alert

Features No Longer Available

• Inflatable rear safety belts

Thanks for sharing this here, sifting through all this on google isn't the easiest thing to do. We'll be in the market for one at some point.

So the crazy distracting "laptop" sitting in your console is still a thing.

Pretty soon they'll take out the wind shield and you'll be driving looking at a big screen TV via camera that subtly works in third party advertising into the scenery you are looking at.

22" wheels on a truck is not a benefit in my view, but I get that people think it makes it look more "race truck".

Surprised they ditched the aux radiator on the tow package.

Thanks for posting. Will be in the market for one sooner rather than later. The "CoPilot360" packages seem unnecessarily complicated. Front parking sensors should really be included in the most basic form of that package.

Timberline looks slick.

Additional features for 2022:

XLT and down = +$5,000

Lariat and up, minus Platinum = +$7500

Platinum = +$10,000

Amazing to me they won't offer a proper V8 in a vehicle this size/price.

blob:https://tenor.com/4837bdde-fbc1-4570-aac2-55272266d26ftxcincinnatus said:

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Thanks for posting. Will be in the market for one sooner rather than later. The "CoPilot360" packages seem unnecessarily complicated. Front parking sensors should really be included in the most basic form of that package.

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Tell me about it. I feel like this guy.

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nortex97 said:

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Amazing to me they won't offer a proper V8 in a vehicle this size/price.

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Which is somewhat ironic since people sat on the sidelines, when it had the 5.4, waiting on the ecoboost.

Ag for Life said:

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Additional features for 2022:

XLT and down = +$5,000

Lariat and up, minus Platinum = +$7500

Platinum = +$10,000

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That info isn't out yet.

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03_Aggie said:

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nortex97 said:

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Amazing to me they won't offer a proper V8 in a vehicle this size/price.

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Which is somewhat ironic since people sat on the sidelines, when it had the 5.4, waiting on the ecoboost.

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Which is fine because Toyo/Nissan/GM twins/Dodge will keep offering one.

People who want to pay thousands extra for a little turbocharger in lieu of the additive manufacturing complexity/cost of an actual V-8 are welcome to do so at their Ford dealerships, in the name of nominal fuel ratings.

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Thanks for posting. Will be in the market for one sooner rather than later. The "CoPilot360" packages seem unnecessarily complicated. Front parking sensors should really be included in the most basic form of that package.

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Dumb as hell. My truck has the 360 camera but no front parking sensors. My wife only has a rear camera but 360 parking sensors. I'd trade the front camera out for the parking sensors in a heartbeat, much more functional.

I'm sure there's a legitimate reason for this, but "Post-Collision Braking" is just a comical feature.

They deleted three of their better colors:

• Antimatter Blue Metallic
• Burgundy Velvet Metallic Tinted Clearcoat
• Kodiak Brown Metallic

Any idea if the Timberline will only come in the green color or be offered in other colors?

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Performance and Capability

• 3.5L high-output EcoBoost V6 engine standard on Timberline and Limited Stealth Performance Package
• Auto Start/Stop Delete available

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Shouldn't the performance package have like a 600 hp V8?
I mean, the Grand Cherokee has a 707 hp V8 and it's only half the weight (exaggerating) of an Expy.

At least they finally addressed what a PITA the Auto Start/Stop thing is.

Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

BenTheGoodAg said:

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I'm sure there's a legitimate reason for this, but "Post-Collision Braking" is just a comical feature.

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Post Collision Braking

MSL Ag said:

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Any idea if the Timberline will only come in the green color or be offered in other colors?

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Don't know yet but my guess is yes it will be offered in the green as well as other colors.

JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

HollywoodBQ said:

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reproag said:

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Performance and Capability

• 3.5L high-output EcoBoost V6 engine standard on Timberline and Limited Stealth Performance Package
• Auto Start/Stop Delete available

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Shouldn't the performance package have like a 600 hp V8?
I mean, the Grand Cherokee has a 707 hp V8 and it's only half the weight (exaggerating) of an Expy.

At least they finally addressed what a PITA the Auto Start/Stop thing is.

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The Auto Start Stop isn't going away, it's a delete option bc of the chip shortage.

As far as the V8 is concerned, I have requested several meeting with Farley to discus this and other issues the AB has. Ba$tard is ghosting me.

JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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But, but, but it's an ECOboost, these numbers can't be true!

JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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I drive different Expeditions regularly, to La Grange and back and around town. Even rented one to go Hot Spring AK one year. I get 22 mpg on the hwy and 20 in the city. And I don't baby them, in fact I'm usually running late to get a kid to practice so it's 85mph. And no it's not hand calculated but neither is the estimated MPG

reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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I drive different Expeditions regularly, to La Grange and back and around town. Even rented one to go Hot Spring AK one year. I get 22 mpg on the hwy and 20 in the city. And I don't baby them, in fact I'm usually running late to get a kid to practice so it's 85mph. And no it's not hand calculated but neither is the estimated MPG

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https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/expedition

I was just going by this. I drive a tundra and what is reported on that site lines up with my real life mpg. I had a 2015 F150 2wd with the 3.5 before my tundra and I got ~16.5ish (computer said 18).

JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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I mean I get what you're saying. But, in reality, does anyone need 600 HP out of an expedition or Grand Cherokee?

JesusQuintana said:

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reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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I drive different Expeditions regularly, to La Grange and back and around town. Even rented one to go Hot Spring AK one year. I get 22 mpg on the hwy and 20 in the city. And I don't baby them, in fact I'm usually running late to get a kid to practice so it's 85mph. And no it's not hand calculated but neither is the estimated MPG

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https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/expedition

I was just going by this. I drive a tundra and what is reported on that site lines up with my real life mpg. I had a 2015 F150 2wd with the 3.5 before my tundra and I got ~16.5ish (computer said 18).

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Understand, just telling y'all what I get. I am driving 2018s or newer. My wife's old 2013 only got 15 mpg fyi.

When I drive something from the lot I tend to drive it so I can tell customers what their kind of mpg they will get. Really the only thing I was disappointed in was the 7.3L gas in the super duty. Don't know why but I expected 17-18 mpg and 14-15 mpg

htxag09 said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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I mean I get what you're saying. But, in reality, does anyone need 600 HP out of an expedition or Grand Cherokee?

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Not really, but there's no reason not to have it on tap when you want to use it. For the insane amount of money these things are going for, it would nice to have a better power:weight ratio. They're getting the torque numbers where they need to be, but after having a 700hp truck and reverting back to a 420hp truck, I really don't see myself ever buying another large vehicle that doesn't have at least 500hp crank. Again, that's based on the fact that these are $60K+ vehicles.

reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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I drive different Expeditions regularly, to La Grange and back and around town. Even rented one to go Hot Spring AK one year. I get 22 mpg on the hwy and 20 in the city. And I don't baby them, in fact I'm usually running late to get a kid to practice so it's 85mph. And no it's not hand calculated but neither is the estimated MPG

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https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/expedition

I was just going by this. I drive a tundra and what is reported on that site lines up with my real life mpg. I had a 2015 F150 2wd with the 3.5 before my tundra and I got ~16.5ish (computer said 18).

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Understand, just telling y'all what I get. I am driving 2018s or newer. My wife's old 2013 only got 15 mpg fyi.

When I drive something from the lot I tend to drive it so I can tell customers what their kind of mpg they will get. Really the only thing I was disappointed in was the 7.3L gas in the super duty. Don't know why but I expected 17-18 mpg and 14-15 mpg

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When I test drove a 7.3L it was averaging 11mpg including some highway driving and no WOT pulls (since it was brand new). I really wanted one, but that kind of scared me away.

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reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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reproag said:

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JesusQuintana said:

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JSKolache said:

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Soccer moms dont want/need the performance, they want MPGs. 80+% of these are driven by housewives

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According to fuelly, the 2019/20 expeds get ~15.75mpg (figured it would be higher with v6)? Seems that if they were really focused on mpg, they would get a minivan for half the price right?

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I drive different Expeditions regularly, to La Grange and back and around town. Even rented one to go Hot Spring AK one year. I get 22 mpg on the hwy and 20 in the city. And I don't baby them, in fact I'm usually running late to get a kid to practice so it's 85mph. And no it's not hand calculated but neither is the estimated MPG

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https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/expedition

I was just going by this. I drive a tundra and what is reported on that site lines up with my real life mpg. I had a 2015 F150 2wd with the 3.5 before my tundra and I got ~16.5ish (computer said 18).

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Understand, just telling y'all what I get. I am driving 2018s or newer. My wife's old 2013 only got 15 mpg fyi.

When I drive something from the lot I tend to drive it so I can tell customers what their kind of mpg they will get. Really the only thing I was disappointed in was the 7.3L gas in the super duty. Don't know why but I expected 17-18 mpg and 14-15 mpg

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When I test drove a 7.3L it was averaging 11mpg including some highway driving and no WOT pulls (since it was brand new). I really wanted one, but that kind of scared me away.

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Did you reset it before the drive? Mine was 100 mile trip too.

@reproag - what mileage did the 7.3 you drove get?

masonmauler said:

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@reproag - what mileage did the 7.3 you drove get?

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14 or 15 mpg. I can't remember exactly but it was close to the 13 Expedition we had.

Drove from Brenham to La Grange, around La Grange then to my house and back to the dealership the next day.

Called the customer with the white tremor F250 I posted a while back on the AB to see what he was getting. He said about 12 around town and 15 on trips into Houston.

nortex97 said:

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03_Aggie said:

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nortex97 said:

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Amazing to me they won't offer a proper V8 in a vehicle this size/price.

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Which is somewhat ironic since people sat on the sidelines, when it had the 5.4, waiting on the ecoboost.

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Which is fine because Toyo/Nissan/GM twins/Dodge will keep offering one.

People who want to pay thousands extra for a little turbocharger in lieu of the additive manufacturing complexity/cost of an actual V-8 are welcome to do so at their Ford dealerships, in the name of nominal fuel ratings.

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There are very few V8s with more HP and torque than my V6.