The February freeze cracked the block and exhaust manifolds on our 2009 Sea Ray 195 Sport.

Was planning on replacing the engine if it wasn't too expensive, but the quote was higher than I had anticipated, $7k. Does this sound right?

If I decide to just get rid of it, what are the best options? Classifieds as-is for $1000? Donate? It has a trailer with good tires, but is that alone worth anything?

Not really sure which way to go with it. I liked having it, but at the same time if it was gone I wouldn't miss it that much. We only got out on it 3-5 times a year since we had kids in 2018.

That $7K sounds about right.

sounds about right.

Was it insured? Will insurance total?

Did I hear LS Swap?

Just to anger my wife....got pics?

I'm interested, dm now sent

4..3 engine ?


Is $7,000 turn key to fix it all ?

Many moons ago I bought a sea ray that this happened to. Way back then the new manifolds alone were over $1,000.

mosdefn14 said:

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Was it insured? Will insurance total?

Did I hear LS Swap?

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B is for build on YouTube is LS swapping an old yacht with 2 engines from Texas speed. 100% for the views and ridiculous nature but I can't look away.

I'm interested. Can't DM but give me a call

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JaceAG12 said:

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mosdefn14 said:

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Was it insured? Will insurance total?

Did I hear LS Swap?

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B is for build on YouTube is LS swapping an old yacht with 2 engines from Texas speed. 100% for the views and ridiculous nature but I can't look away.

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Been following that too.

It defies every single thing I know about the principles of engineering. You go from twin cummins VT 903s to a gas high performance motor?

Dude gonna need a huge amount of ballast or hull will be unstable.

Ill keep watching to see what happens though.

Guess thats the point.

The good news is it's a Sea Ray and comes with a trailer. Assuming it's otherwise in good condition there's definitely a market for it as you are seeing already.

The boat market is strong so don't give it away!

It is a 4.3. $7k turnkey.

It is insured, but policy does not cover damage from freeze.

Is it not possible to make a 4.3 from a pickup (or other) work in there? Or is the 7k that plus labor?

There was a factory option for a 5L with 260hp(4.3L has 220hp as you know). Might be worth checking into if you want more power.

For anybody else with a 4.3, there is a pipe plug on the front of the engine near the intake manifold.

Its got to be removed for proper winterization. Water tends to get trapped in this area and doesn't drain. Its a known issue.

You got to lower the tongue with a floor jack to tilt the engine enough to drain all the way, Some people blow it out with air as well. Some folks pour antifreeze in there with a funnel.

Know a guy that had a 2021 sea ray with the new 4.5l. Block froze and cracked the water jackets between 3 and 4 cyl.

Expensive mistake.

91AggieLawyer said:

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Is it not possible to make a 4.3 from a pickup (or other) work in there? Or is the 7k that plus labor?

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I know guy that has an engine shop and makes a living doing stuff like this.

Sometimes its possible and sometimes not.

I'll ask him about the 4.3 next time I talk to him.

91AggieLawyer said:

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Is it not possible to make a 4.3 from a pickup (or other) work in there? Or is the 7k that plus labor?

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Yes but the cam and gaskets are different for marine applications


The sea ray i had i purchased for $700 knowing the motor was probably shot. Spent another $2300 on a trailer, new manifolds etc and got it running but all the bearings were washed because previous owner ran it with cracked manifolds and water mixed with the oil. Got tired of working on it and bought a new boat. Guys who bought it for $3,000 went and bought a 4.3 out of a truck and swapped the camshaft and put a new marine gasket set on it. They had ~$4,000 in it and i later saw it for sale for ~ $8,000


OP your boat is a 15k plus boat right now with it running especially with a new engine .

JP76 said:

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91AggieLawyer said:

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Is it not possible to make a 4.3 from a pickup (or other) work in there? Or is the 7k that plus labor?

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OP your boat is a 15k plus boat right now with it running especially with a new engine .

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Yep. As I said earlier there's value. I'd fix it. If you have doubts just search boat trader for current listings for comps. The #1 concern of buyers is the engine.

It's worth way more than you think even though it's DITW.

Thanks JP and Texker for the feedback. I was looking at NADA but I didn't believe the value it was giving me.

mosdefn14 said:

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Was it insured? Will insurance total?

Did I hear LS Swap?

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Insurance doesn't cover a cracked engine block due to freezing. This is why proper winterization is important.

Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

I'm not a mechanic but I wouldn't cut corners. There could be residual water in the engine that could freeze and cause damage and/or cause rust. It's best to flush with anti-freeze. Not trying to fear monger but saving a few bucks is not worth the risk. A link re: winterization.

https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Winterizing-Your-Outboard-Motor

Thanks

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Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

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Thats what we have always done in Texas and my family (Minnesota) has also done.

ReloadAg said:

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Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

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I have a two stroke '83 Evinrude 90 on my '83 ProCraft. Sat for 5 months including the winter storm this year. Charged the battery, squeezed the bulb 3 times, cranked, gave it a little key primer while cranking and off she went. I want a new bass boat so bad but I just can't let go of ol reliable.

Figure I'll eventually get a new bass boat and put the 90 on a pontoon I find with a bad motor one day.

I've got several friends on the lake that lost engines this way. $7K is actually really good based on what I've heard from them. I've heard numbers 10K-15K. If that $7K is turnkey than it's a good price. Make sure they aren't leaving anything out of that number.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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JaceAG12 said:

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mosdefn14 said:

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Was it insured? Will insurance total?

Did I hear LS Swap?

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B is for build on YouTube is LS swapping an old yacht with 2 engines from Texas speed. 100% for the views and ridiculous nature but I can't look away.

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Been following that too.

It defies every single thing I know about the principles of engineering. You go from twin cummins VT 903s to a gas high performance motor?

Dude gonna need a huge amount of ballast or hull will be unstable.

Ill keep watching to see what happens though.

Guess thats the point.

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Gas vapors on a yacht are dangerous. No way in hell I would swap out an oil burner.

TXAGFAN said:

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ReloadAg said:

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Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

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Thats what we have always done in Texas and my family (Minnesota) has also done.

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Been doing this for 12 years with our boat. Haven't had an issue yet and it stays in the hill country. Now, if we ran it in December and January, I may look into blowing water out, etc., but it usually sits in the barn/garage from October to March with no issues.

Another heads up regarding winterization of inboards.

Standing water in the bilge can freeze and crush the oil pan enough to block the oil pump pickup tube leading to engine failure.

TXAGFAN said:

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ReloadAg said:

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Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

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Thats what we have always done in Texas and my family (Minnesota) has also done.

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I usually run gas through it with stabilizer in it and fog the engine as well.

ReloadAg said:

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Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread but figure this is the best place to ask this question. We recently bought a pontoon boat with an outboard motor and my mechanic told me all we need to do to winterize it is to trim the motor all the way down so all water drains out of it. Is that right?

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Yes, and leave it down.