The interesting things you learn by trial and error..

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MouthBQ98
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My Xterra had been really irritating me the last few months. It seemed I had lost a lot of power, pickup, and acceleration, and it seemed like it would get bogged down easily. I was having to downshift going up moderate hills, and my mileage had gone to crap, and by crap, I mean 12-13 mpg. Ouch. It idled just fine, and wasn't throwing any codes. It also passed its emissions test recently.

So, I start a tuneup in the driveway Saturday. I clean the MAF sensor, replace the fuel and air filter, and replace the distributor cap and rotor. I used new NGK plugs and wires not too long ago, so they should still be fine. That seemed to help a bit, but not like I was expecting. I was looking closely at the rotor bolt while doing this, and noticed it seemed to be awfully far to one side. I checked the timing and it showed 15 ATDC with the light, which is correct, but when I started watching the live feed data with my scanner, the timing advance would sometimes bounce down to 7 or 8. That seemed kind of weird, so I did some more research.

It turns out I am supposed to disable the PCM from attempting to control the timing by unplugging the throttle sensor at the intake manifold, and setting the timing first with the PCM "dumb". When I did this, I discovered that it had been set at ZERO degrees, right on TDC. Ouch. It ran ok there at idle, but ran terribly weak when the throttle was applied. Also had some shudders between 2000 and 3000 rpm.

I reset the timing to 15 degrees, shut it down, plugged the throttle position sensor back in, and rechecked the timing. Right on 15 degrees at Idle, and stayed there, not dipping below at all. I took a test drive, and it is a HUGE improvement in performance having it properly timed. I mean, it is still a little 175HP 3.3L v6, but now it's not acting like a 90hp 4 banger. I've also noted my fuel economy has improved I'd say at least 30%.

Just a little lesson: do a tuneup now and then, or at least check the basics.
Silvy
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I would've just done a LS swap, bro.
1agswitchin4lanes
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It turns out I am supposed to disable the PCM from attempting to control the timing by unplugging the throttle sensor at the intake manifold, and setting the timing first with the PCM "dumb". When I did this, I discovered that it had been set at ZERO degrees, right on TDC. Ouch. It ran ok there at idle, but ran terribly weak when the throttle was applied. Also had some shudders between 2000 and 3000 rpm.


Yup. Many OBD-I vehicles also had this requirement as well. UNplugging a TPS or harness or putting a jumper in place to disable the computer while you timed it.

Glad to hear you got it running good again.

will.mcg
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Will one of you kind gentle people post a Timing "How-To" video?
aggiebq03+
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Can someone tell me what a distributor cap is?
aTm2004
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Are you in Houston? I need to do a tuneup on my Frontier and 1) don't have the knowledge to do it myself, and 2) can't bring myself to pay a local shop almost $400 (3 quotes) to do it. I've heard most things are easy to do myself, but getting to the plugs is a PITA.
aTm2004
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Can someone tell me what a distributor cap is?
It essentially transfers the voltage into the cylinders of an engine to ignite the fuel.
Whitetail
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but glad whatever he did worked out for the OP.
'03ag
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Can someone tell me what a distributor cap is?
It essentially transfers the voltage into the cylinders of an engine to ignite the fuel.
i think this was sarcasm. Or I hope so at least.
aTm2004
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Can someone tell me what a distributor cap is?
It essentially transfers the voltage into the cylinders of an engine to ignite the fuel.
i think this was sarcasm. Or I hope so at least.

7am...my sarcasm meter is still asleep.
aggiebq03+
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7am...my sarcasm meter is still asleep.

Sorry, meant to post with smiley face but it didn't show up. But thanks for trying to be helpful in case it was serious. That's why I like the auto board.

[sarcasm] PS- if I add a distributor to my new car, will it run better? [/sarcasm]
MouthBQ98
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2004. It is super easy to do the basics if you have a 2004 or older frontier. I don't know the vQ series engine in the 2005 and later ones.
MouthBQ98
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The #6 plug in the VG33E in xterras and frontiers pretty much requires removing the hood and then working by feel with a plug socket on 2 x 6" extensions with an elbow joint between them. I had a small mirror on a flexible stick too.

You have to be careful taking one to an autoshop because once the techs see how miserably difficult it is, you often really only get 5 new plugs, if you know what I mean.

But, it can be done. The biggest challenge I had was all the plug sockets were filled in with compacted dust and sand, which had to be thoroughly removed and cleaned before the plug could be removed. Can't have that falling into the chambers.
80085
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thats got to be the last vehicle sold in the u.s. with a distributor

maybe you can also kluge a 70s buick distributor in yours.
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