The black one on page 1 is the couple version is it not? And not the sedan version?

I know there are two....

Great crash test results.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/28/5-stars-all-around-hyundai-genesis-aces-nhtsa-crash-tests/

Nope they're all 4 doors in this thread.

Yeah, I went to the site and they are only offering two trims for the sedan but when they first announced the Genesis they were showing a Sedan and a sports coupe version. Guess the coupe will come later.

The new coupe looks good, but very different from the sedan.







[This message has been edited by KRT-1 (edited 9/12/2008 11:46p).]

I don't understand what Hyundai is thinking on this one. They are building a car to compete with "luxury" brands by making it look as much like a mercedes as possible. Toyota was not a prestigious brand before, but they built their reputation then created Lexus for luxury cars (and they don't have to worry about treating Lexus customers differently than Toyota customers.)

Even if the Genesis turns out to be an excellent car I would never consider buying one because I don't want to be "that guy" who went out and bought a Hyundai that looks just like a Mercedes. I don't understand why they can't just make it look like a fancy Hyundai instead of making some kind of designer rip off.

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You are chicken. You're missing the point. The Genesis not just about looks. The car is about quality vs. price.

We don't know yet how well it stands up over the long haul but the Genesis APPEARS to be a combination of quality, engineering, performance, and style comparable to other premium brands at far less cost.

I would be happy to be "that guy" that said the brand wasn't so important.

chicken? Give me a break, I don't drive a mercedes. I just think it's a shame that hyundai can't make a quality car without making it look like something it isn't.

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Hyudai's current fleet is quite good. What are you basing this stmt on?

are you serious? did you not even read the whole sentence that I wrote before quoting six words from the middle of it?

I hope you are joking

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You really should read before popping off.

I read your post, and I'm not sure which is more hillarious. You quoting 6 words from the middle of my sentence, passing it off as my statement then asking me to defend it, or you being unable to see the irony in asking me if I read a whole post.

I suggest you read mine one more time slowly and if you still can't get what I meant then you may be too dense for us to continue

The Genesis doesn't look like a M-B clone to me. Yeah the front end is M-B-ish....but the taillights are BMW-ish. The overall profile is a bit of a generic "sleek luxury sedan." But it all comes together well. I think it is a handsome car.

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I just think it's a shame that hyundai can't make a quality car without making it look like something it isn't.

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People who care about quality at a great value are not going to care that it looks similar to other luxury brands. The bottom line is that it looks freakin' great.

I will probably be buying one next year because I know that I can get a car that looks and performs as well as most luxury brands out there for almost half the money. It's a no brainer.

The Genesis coupe will be a G35 fighter, but will get a turbo 4 and the 3.8L 290 HP V6.

If you look, all auto manufacturers copy, have been for years, i.e. Tail Fins, etc.

Look at the 1st gen LS400 from Lexus, a total 86-91 Copy of the Mercedes S-Class.

Sure, the Genesis uses Design cues from others. I see Mercedes S Class, BMW, Lexus and Infiniti cues throughout the car. Everyone in the auto industy copies. They're taking cues from vehicles that have styling that 'works'.....

I was thinking the nose looks more LS460 than Mercedes S Class...if you look at the LS460, its obvious where its styling came from...



[This message has been edited by 1agswitchin4lanes (edited 9/14/2008 10:09a).]

And regarding quality for those that don't think they make a quality car:

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand

Ranked better than both Mercedes and Infinity. Equal to Audi and better than almost every other brand except for Lexus, Cadillac and a couple of others.

Seriously, if you can't have an adult conversation, go back to the GB. I'm not asking you to "defend" anything; I'm simply trying to understand the basis of your opinion.

Let's deconstruct the 3 main points of your statement:

You don't drive a Benz. Yippee for you. Don't care, thus not quoted.

You think Hyundai copies other brands. Honestly, I don't really care about that. A car is a car and a truck is a truck. The individual brands take that basic concept and find their niche. Heck, the whole Japanese model was taking American and making it better. I have no issue if Hyundai does the same with Japanese and German. Don't care, thus not quoted.

Hyundai doesn't make quality cars. I RESPECTFULLY disagree and am curious how you reached that conclusion.

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He is not saying that Hyundai doesn't make quality cars, and the sentence he wrote does not make that statement. Read it again. It says that it's a shame they can't make a quality car that isn't a copy of other brands. Very different statement and meaning.

Now about that statement. It is quite obvious that they used Mercedes, Lexus, and BMW for their exterior styling. There are much worse choices to copy from, and I think they did an outstanding job. The car looks great.

So every single car them make is a carbon copy of something else or crap...gotcha.

Honestly GAC06, no need to respond at all; there are a lot opinions on here I value and some that I don't.

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He is not saying that Hyundai doesn't make quality cars, and the sentence he wrote does not make that statement. Read it again. It says that it's a shame they can't make a quality car that isn't a copy of other brands. Very different statement and meaning

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looks like KRT got my point just fine, all he had to do was read one complete sentence.

jock, looks like you still aren't quite grasping it. maybe try reading KRT's post again?

yes it's true that some copying goes on with just about every car company, I just think it's a shame that hyundai wouldn't make something more distinctive and stylish instead of taking cues from 2 or three cars to make an unoriginal safe bet.

So you don't like Hyundai. You think they are boring and safe; fair enough, to each their own. Still haven't seen any support for the lack of quality claim.

because I never said they have a lack of quality! this is truly amazing. let's stop this thread hijack

OP, pick up a copy of Road & Track. Pretty good review of the Genesis.

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Already got it, already read it, already also read the Car and Driver, Road & Track, and Auto Week Articles about it. (I get all four) Already went to the Ride and drive event.

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Thanks James, as I posted on the first page, I've been reading every bit of info that I can on it. Just a wait and see thing now. I want to see what a 1 year old V8 sells for.

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I'm more interested in how well it holds up after 4 years and 100,000 miles.

Hi druggist, good to see you. If it holds up anything like my neighbors 02 Sonata (right at 100K miles), theres probably nothing to worry about. He's only had 2 issues.

1. Battery Failure, Original battery at 98K miles.

2. Power Steering return line corroded and burst (car came from Oregon).

Other than that, its been flawless.

Just FYI, V8 Genesis are showing up on Dealer lots. Apparently some dealers are selling them for 47K, (42 MSRP +5K markup).

We'll see how long that lasts.

One guy in chicago claims to have picked up a loaded V8 for 38,700 + TTL.

Paying a Markup on a mass produced 4 door sedan? Barnum was right.

When the Marauder came out in Summer of 2002, people were paying 10,000 over sticker. I waited, and bought mine new for 12,000 OFF sticker.

Sorry lanes, not sure how I missed that.

No Biggies James. I actually printed off the owners manual at lunch and read it....I know, obsessed....

I remember the run on Mazda and VW dealerships when the Miata and new bug were first released. People were happily paying well over sticker for both those cars.

Morons!

V8's on Ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-Hyundai-Genesis-4-6L-V8-Reserve-BELOW-
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