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Foamcows said:

anyone know when they are planning on closing the Houston Ave bridge? seems like they are building what they can around it, but at some point, it will have to go.


Was wondering the same thing this morning. What's the long term plan for the bridge?
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Would need to look at the construction plans posted online. They have all the sequencing laid out.

I looked at the website once, but forgot the address and sequence.
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ChipFTAC01 said:

Foamcows said:

anyone know when they are planning on closing the Houston Ave bridge? seems like they are building what they can around it, but at some point, it will have to go.


Was wondering the same thing this morning. What's the long term plan for the bridge?

Somebody posted it is planned to be torn down and rebuilt in 2027...I think.
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I can't figure out where it's going to go. Unless it's going to be an underpass under new i10 and the connectors from 45.
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Yes. I-10 is going over Houston Avenue at the end of this project.

https://www.txdot.gov/whiteoaki10.html
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FHKChE07 said:

Yes. I-10 is going over Houston Avenue at the end of this project.

https://www.txdot.gov/whiteoaki10.html

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Does anyone know when chartres and Lockwood will open back up?
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swimmerbabe11 said:

Does anyone know when chartres and Lockwood will open back up?

Probably 2043.
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Its really not fair to you how much I hated you when I read that.
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WES2006AG said:

ChipFTAC01 said:

Foamcows said:

anyone know when they are planning on closing the Houston Ave bridge? seems like they are building what they can around it, but at some point, it will have to go.


Was wondering the same thing this morning. What's the long term plan for the bridge?

Somebody posted it is planned to be torn down and rebuilt in 2027...I think.

Whomever posted that has a lot of faith and optimism in TXDOT and COH. Or doesn't know how they really operate.

Torn down in 2027? I can see that.

Rebuilt? Well, that's a different story there amigo.
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I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.
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swimmerbabe11 said:

I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.

As much as I've been trying to avoid that stretch of I-10, there are times I make a point to go that way just to see how far along it's coming. Seeing the progress helps make it feel like it hasn't been going on as long as it has and makes me a little more patient with the inconvenience.
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Send some of those guys down to 146 in la porte and Seabrook. They aint doing **** for progress.
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swimmerbabe11 said:

I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.

Road construction is weird, I've never been able to figure it out. At somet point you'll notice that all progress has stopped and nobody will be seen working on that stretch for several months at a time. Like time itself, it is inevitable. Enjoy the progress now while you can.
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swimmerbabe11 said:

I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.

For sure. They must have put up some big beams over the weekend, as I had the same thought this morning;

Today's winner for the General Board Burrito Lottery is:

Tex117
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Send some of those guys down to 146 in la porte and Seabrook. They aint doing **** for progress.


Isn't the whole thing open now though? Or is the bypass supposed to continue further south than it does? My commute to work is much better now that I can stay on a freeway essentially until 518.
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schmellba99 said:

swimmerbabe11 said:

I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.

Road construction is weird, I've never been able to figure it out. At somet point you'll notice that all progress has stopped and nobody will be seen working on that stretch for several months at a time. Like time itself, it is inevitable. Enjoy the progress now while you can.

Government being involved.

One never knows when their funding is suspended or ended for some stupid reason.

Sometimes the original "low bid" contractor goes belly up, so it then takes another decade to select another "low bid" contractor.

Another could be that one subcontractor hasn't finished their piece, and it holds up everyone else. Never want to be that guy.
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Sea Speed said:

Milwaukees Best Light said:

Send some of those guys down to 146 in la porte and Seabrook. They aint doing **** for progress.


Isn't the whole thing open now though? Or is the bypass supposed to continue further south than it does? My commute to work is much better now that I can stay on a freeway essentially until 518.
it is north of all that now. Between red bluff and spencer. It gets really bad by the port. All the trucks doing the fly over jam up the main lane. Going north they have it pinched to 1 lane and the port trucks join to make it 2 lanes. Accidents probably twice a week now that shut the whole mf'er. Terrible plan they made. Only 2 more years though.
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schmellba99 said:

swimmerbabe11 said:

I know we are only supposed to complain on this thread, but driving down i-10 every morning, its hard not to be impressed by the sheer scale and progress. Its really cool to see what humans can achieve.

Road construction is weird, I've never been able to figure it out. At somet point you'll notice that all progress has stopped and nobody will be seen working on that stretch for several months at a time. Like time itself, it is inevitable. Enjoy the progress now while you can.

290 had that problem when the contractor went bankrupt. TxDOT had to put the project back out for bid and construction stopped for almost a year, iirc.
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That was a different animal.

It's just something about road construction that is almost universal across the board - they hit a project hard in the beginning and then seemingly hit a point where it's time to just take a break from the job for a while and absolutely nothing gets done for weeks or even months at a time. Then one day it's time to get back on it and you'll see a hundred guys and all kinds of equipment up and down the stretch again.

I've worked for companies that had a road division and they couldn't explain it to me. I think it's almost a Pavlovian syndrome, kind of like how people randomly slow down at certain parts of 610 or 288 or wherever simply "because".

And then you have the perpetual construction projects like 45 South. That road will be under construction up to the point that the sun turns into a red giant and swallows up the earth. It's allah's will or something.
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Sea Speed said:

Milwaukees Best Light said:

Send some of those guys down to 146 in la porte and Seabrook. They aint doing **** for progress.


Isn't the whole thing open now though? Or is the bypass supposed to continue further south than it does? My commute to work is much better now that I can stay on a freeway essentially until 518.

it is north of all that now. Between red bluff and spencer. It gets really bad by the port. All the trucks doing the fly over jam up the main lane. Going north they have it pinched to 1 lane and the port trucks join to make it 2 lanes. Accidents probably twice a week now that shut the whole mf'er. Terrible plan they made. Only 2 more years though.

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Oh yea I completely forgot about that one lane pinch point. I haven't really got stuck in much there over the last few months but I'm sure it's coming. My gripe is with the lane closure on 10 by old river/lost river where they also closed down exits and on ramps so you can't use the feeder to go around the traffic. Always back ups there.
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I am skating by because I either carpool or ride METRO and thus take the HOV into and out of downtown but I am worried that the HOV will be shut down eventually. If they do shut down the HOV the traffic will get even WORSE. Anyone with knowledge on how this will play out?

BTW - The linked TxDOT website for this project is worthless. When I-10 was being expanded you could see designs and understand what the final product would look like. On the current links it just regurgitates what happened and doesn't give schematics. Worthless if you ask me!
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schmellba99 said:

That was a different animal.

It's just something about road construction that is almost universal across the board - they hit a project hard in the beginning and then seemingly hit a point where it's time to just take a break from the job for a while and absolutely nothing gets done for weeks or even months at a time. Then one day it's time to get back on it and you'll see a hundred guys and all kinds of equipment up and down the stretch again.

I've worked for companies that had a road division and they couldn't explain it to me. I think it's almost a Pavlovian syndrome, kind of like how people randomly slow down at certain parts of 610 or 288 or wherever simply "because".

And then you have the perpetual construction projects like 45 South. That road will be under construction up to the point that the sun turns into a red giant and swallows up the earth. It's allah's will or something.

Williams Brothers became infamous for that. It wasn't to just randomly take a break. They would low bid to get the job, get everything torn up, then quit working and send TXDOT a list of change orders for all the "unforeseen" issues they found that all of the other contractors had "foreseen" and priced into their bids. Then they would send all of their crews to another job site to work and leave the equipment onsite piling up rental charges while they held TXDOT hostage to approve the change orders and get the work started again. TXDOT could either leave the road torn up for years while fighting Williams Bros in court, or they could give in to the extortion and get the work started again. The only mystery was why TXDOT kept giving them contracts after having it happen so often, and I think we can all speculate on our own why that might have happened...

Regarding 45 South, my dad moved to Houston in the late 50s to go to Rice. Some point in the late 50s or early 60s he wrote a letter to his mom about how they were building this wonderful highway to connect Houston directly to Galveston and that it was going to be amazing when they finished it all. He died in 2003 after living the rest of his life in the Houston area and there was never a time in his life after he wrote that letter that there was not at least one section of I-45S still under construction.
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I'd like to name a name, but that would likely get me in trouble.

I'll just say, a well known EPC in this city employs basically this same model, yet the owner/operators continue to give them multi-billion dollar projects.

It's a truly unethical way of running a company.
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Sea Speed said:

Milwaukees Best Light said:

Send some of those guys down to 146 in la porte and Seabrook. They aint doing **** for progress.


Isn't the whole thing open now though? Or is the bypass supposed to continue further south than it does? My commute to work is much better now that I can stay on a freeway essentially until 518.

it is north of all that now. Between red bluff and spencer. It gets really bad by the port. All the trucks doing the fly over jam up the main lane. Going north they have it pinched to 1 lane and the port trucks join to make it 2 lanes. Accidents probably twice a week now that shut the whole mf'er. Terrible plan they made. Only 2 more years though.

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CDUB98 said:

I'd like to name a name, but that would likely get me in trouble.

I'll just say, a well known EPC in this city employs basically this same model, yet the owner/operators continue to give them multi-billion dollar projects.

It's a truly unethical way of running a company.

There is more than one and we are probably thinking of the same names.
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czechy91 said:

I am skating by because I either carpool or ride METRO and thus take the HOV into and out of downtown but I am worried that the HOV will be shut down eventually. If they do shut down the HOV the traffic will get even WORSE. Anyone with knowledge on how this will play out?

BTW - The linked TxDOT website for this project is worthless. When I-10 was being expanded you could see designs and understand what the final product would look like. On the current links it just regurgitates what happened and doesn't give schematics. Worthless if you ask me!


Years ago my understanding was that metro was told that their bus/carpool lane was not part of the 45 project and too bad so sad when it went away. No idea if tha has since changed. I see a lot of their engineering and planning people and I'll ask
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Somewhat related, but does anyone know why the intersection of Grand Parkway and I-10 in Katy is not finished? It's just been sitting there for months with lanes closed. All the work looks complete, except for painting lanes and removing cones.
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andrago94 said:

Somewhat related, but does anyone know why the intersection of Grand Parkway and I-10 in Katy is not finished? It's just been sitting there for months with lanes closed. All the work looks complete, except for painting lanes and removing cones.

It's pretty hard to find people who can color within the lines these days.
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Think I saw something about requiring a change order and that was taking time.
Ryan the Temp
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I-10 east is completely closed at Federal Road due to a big sinkhole caused by a water main leak.
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When last night's Taco Bell hits just right.
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CDUB98 said:

When last night's Taco Bell hits just right.

Gives a whole new meaning to SLAB.
 
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