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Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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I think you're missing the point. The system isn't broken, the children/families coming into the system are broken. The input we're talking about are children. If a high school gets a kid that can't read or even cares about reading, what is public ed supposed to do?
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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I discovered this week that half my juniors & seniors don't know how to take an average. Simply an average of say, 4 whole numbers. I'm supposed to be teaching them how to calculate average atomic mass, an average that is now weighted. They're completely lost. They also can't figure a percentage, and I now have to spend time teaching that to take a percentage and put it in decimal form just move the decimal two places to the LEFT.

The system is broken and I'm ok with including society as a whole in the definition of "system." But what do you do when funding is tied to pass rates? You pass them along from 3rd to 4th regardless if they actually mastered 3rd grade material. Then we get to high school and it's all WhY iS mY ChiLd FaiLiNg?
Jack Cheese
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Booma94 said:

schmellba99 said:


Psssstttttt!!

Roads and police are not solely funded by the state either.

Tell me - what is it about competition in the education system that scares you so much? I'm genuinely curious.
Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

I'm all for competition. But when there are 2 sets of rules is it really a competition? One group can choose their clientele, the other has to take anyone that walks through the doors. One group has no requirements for what and how they teach, the other is told by the state exactly what they are required to teach. Ironically the group that the state tells what to teach is the one that some in the state want to stop funding. One group has free reign to do as they choose, the other has accountability in just about every aspect- financially and academically provided by both the state and a locally elected board.

You have consistently wanted to make this about privatization without understanding that providing a basic education is a public service. You seem to get some sort of perverse joy from bashing anyone associated with public education.

Education is not and should not be a for-profit endeavor. The state is obligated to provide a basic education- it benefits everyone. If you want more than what the state provides, you are more than welcome to pursue that for your children, but should not expect tax dollars to fund it.

All you are doing is making assertions, not forming an argument. I guess I'm not surprised at that

Why? Why is k-12 schooling different in kind from just about every other good that is funded (but not necessarily PROVIDED) by the government? It is not sufficient to just call it a "public service". In fact, things would work perfectly well if taxpayer money was used to fund schooling without directly providing it too. I gave several examples of how that very dynamic is at work every day, and in fact, k-12 schooling is the outlier in how it is provided.

Do you work in public schools? If not, does your spouse? Parents? Just curious.
 
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