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Who at TXDOT thought this was a good idea? Galleria traffic related

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DDub74
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Why after billions of dollars and 25 years of road repairs and redesign, did they make the north bound exit to 610 from 59 going west from Downtown/Kirby area only one lane? This picture is from Sunday afternoon at 3:00 and its backed up for a good half mile. I counted 25 cars cutting in at the front while I patiently waited in the backed up line. Luckily I don't go this way too often.

Why too lanes South when I counted about twice as many folks wanting to go north.



girlfriend_experience
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too lanes?
TX04Aggie
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My understanding was it was going to be two lanes but ROW issues/acquisition wasnt feasible in the end for that northbound ramp. So congrats, after years of construction we have basically the same interchange we had before, in every direction.
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I always take Kirby to San Felipe just to avoid that nonsense. It's worth extra couple of minutes.
CDUB98
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What 04 said and also I believe there were underground utilities that basically couldn't be moved without a significant cost to the project AFTER the ROW acquisition.
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I go to the galleria or downtown once a month for work. Fcking hate that drive and traffic
Diggity
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DDub74 said:

Why after billions of dollars and 25 years of road repairs and redesign, did they make the north bound exit to 610 from 59 going west from Downtown/Kirby area only one lane? This picture is from Sunday afternoon at 3:00 and its backed up for a good half mile. I counted 25 cars cutting in at the front while I patiently waited in the backed up line. Luckily I don't go this way too often.

Why too lanes South when I counted about twice as many folks wanting to go north.




don't worry, those two south lanes are there as a convenient waiting area for all the *******s to cut
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When the I-69/I-610 interchange project was originally announced, TxDOT said it would "improve safety and mobility while reducing congestion by widening the connector ramps to two lanes, increasing sight distances and vertical clearances, and providing remedies to eliminate weaving."

However, the ramp onto the 610 West Loop was never enlarged to two lanes.

Now that the work is nearly complete, TxDOT says it is not all their fault. They insist they intended to make the exit ramp two lanes, but the plan was scrapped because of right-of-way issues in the nearby Afton Oaks neighborhood.

"We recognize this is a major concern," TxDOT public information officer Danny Perez told Chron. "But because of space issues in the area, the funds were not available to make it two lanes. Obviously, we would have done it if we could."

"We will look at it in the future when funding becomes available," Perez said, insisting the plan to make the ramp two lanes is not dead. "We will address it later."

TxDOT said that while they were not able to make the busy ramp two lanes, they were able to make it wider and add more shoulder space and safety remedies. "We improved efficiency and safety. We didn't widen it to two lanes," Perez said.


https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/610-west-loop-traffic-18679660.php
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jamesf said:

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When the I-69/I-610 interchange project was originally announced, TxDOT said it would "improve safety and mobility while reducing congestion by widening the connector ramps to two lanes, increasing sight distances and vertical clearances, and providing remedies to eliminate weaving."

However, the ramp onto the 610 West Loop was never enlarged to two lanes.

Now that the work is nearly complete, TxDOT says it is not all their fault. They insist they intended to make the exit ramp two lanes, but the plan was scrapped because of right-of-way issues in the nearby Afton Oaks neighborhood.

"We recognize this is a major concern," TxDOT public information officer Danny Perez told Chron. "But because of space issues in the area, the funds were not available to make it two lanes. Obviously, we would have done it if we could."

"We will look at it in the future when funding becomes available," Perez said, insisting the plan to make the ramp two lanes is not dead. "We will address it later."

TxDOT said that while they were not able to make the busy ramp two lanes, they were able to make it wider and add more shoulder space and safety remedies. "We improved efficiency and safety. We didn't widen it to two lanes," Perez said.


https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/610-west-loop-traffic-18679660.php
They screwed up the design - they had plenty of room for two lanes. That press release is just CYA. Didn't budget correctly or got too far down the road and couldn't fix a bad design. Typical TXDOT. They spent a ****load of money and didn't fix the issue the set out to fix.
Ryan the Temp
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TxDOT is a jobs program.

They have completely rebuilt this interchange three times in the last 20 years.
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jamesf said:

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Now that the work is nearly complete, TxDOT says it is not all their fault. They insist they intended to make the exit ramp two lanes, but the plan was scrapped because of right-of-way issues in the nearby Afton Oaks neighborhood.

"We recognize this is a major concern," TxDOT public information officer Danny Perez told Chron. "But because of space issues in the area, the funds were not available to make it two lanes. Obviously, we would have done it if we could."

This should come as a surprise for everyone who lived through the completion of Beltway 8 West that gutted the heart of Memorial Bend.
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So they work on this for a decade and the end result is the same.

Traded people cutting across multiple lanes to exit for a half mile line of cars and people trying to merge.
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Diggity said:

DDub74 said:

Why after billions of dollars and 25 years of road repairs and redesign, did they make the north bound exit to 610 from 59 going west from Downtown/Kirby area only one lane? This picture is from Sunday afternoon at 3:00 and its backed up for a good half mile. I counted 25 cars cutting in at the front while I patiently waited in the backed up line. Luckily I don't go this way too often.

Why too lanes South when I counted about twice as many folks wanting to go north.




don't worry, those two south lanes are there as a convenient waiting area for all the *******s to cut
facts. the right hand south lane may as well just be a parking lot. one day one of those fools is going to get smacked from behind by someone doing 60.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

jamesf said:

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Now that the work is nearly complete, TxDOT says it is not all their fault. They insist they intended to make the exit ramp two lanes, but the plan was scrapped because of right-of-way issues in the nearby Afton Oaks neighborhood.

"We recognize this is a major concern," TxDOT public information officer Danny Perez told Chron. "But because of space issues in the area, the funds were not available to make it two lanes. Obviously, we would have done it if we could."

This should come as a surprise for everyone who lived through the completion of Beltway 8 West that gutted the heart of Memorial Bend.
It's just a cover story. As others have said they have plenty of room for a second lane there.

Having said that, I'm not sure a second lane would help because the issue is the stop and go traffic on 610 going through the Galleria. You'd have to solve that first. Until then you can't dump more cars onto 610 from 59 anyway.
MAROON
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agreed. I always thought a double decker west loop made sense - top deck is no local exits between 59 and I-10. Lower deck for everyone that needs to exit at Westheimer, San Felipe, Post Oak, Memorial Drive.
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New plan is to start selling carbon credits for time spent idling on the west loop.
Furlock Bones
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yup. i don't know how you solve 610 between 59 and I10. it is a disaster.
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MAROON said:

agreed. I always thought a double decker west loop made sense - top deck is no local exits between 59 and I-10. Lower deck for everyone that needs to exit at Westheimer, San Felipe, Post Oak, Memorial Drive.
Yeah that's really the only option and would increase the flow of traffic 2X or more.

But then that will have it's own impacts, like the greatly increased through-puts of cars onto I-10 and 290 (whereas currently they are bottlenecked on 610, creating a slower inflow).

Imagine the impact on afternoon/evening commute traffic on I-10 West if you can dump double to triple the cars from 610.

It seems like it's impossible to avoid the cascading impacts of 150k annual population growth.
CDUB98
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It's already to the point where we need to double decker every damned highway in this city.
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Thought they would have certainly rerouted 45 / Pierce around downtown by now due to racism.

Also the two lane dip on 45N right around Memorial / Washington has got to be one of the worst designed roads of all time.

That dip been causing traffic and wrecks for 50-years.
DDub74
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Sorry "two" lanes.

So who cares what Afton Oaks had to say, I thought eminent domain was already approved by the SCOTUS so buy out the few houses that complained and tell them to pound sand.

Agree double decker would have been cool, but regardless with several new million illegals and Californians here, traffic will always be bad and TXDOT and Metro will always be incompetent and waster billions each year.

In 5 years, a nice house will be for sale in west Houston . .
CDUB98
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Thought they would have certainly rerouted 45 / Pierce around downtown by now due to racism.

Also the two lane dip on 45N right around Memorial / Washington has got to be one of the worst designed roads of all time.

That dip been causing traffic and wrecks for 50-years.

Well, they have come up with a plan to do reroute 45 around downtown, but it was also deemed, racist.

It did finally clear all the whacko hurdles though and will be starting soon. In the last couple of weeks I've ridden my bike along the White Oak Bayou trail several times to downtown, and I'm fairly certain I saw a geotech crew at several different spots taking samples. Also, a survey crew too.

Look like piles will be started in the not too distant future.
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Its been 20-years since deathrail went online for the 2004 Superbowl and since that time this is the extent of light rail construction.

A system that does nothing to alleviate traffic on surface streets in and around downtown and train crossings make surface streets much worse and dangerous.

Also closing Main street through downtown Houston to put in a water feature may be the most senseless idea of all time. Second only to building a multi-million dollar dog park inside the banks of the bayou and renovating an abandoned underground cistern.
Biz Ag
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Furlock Bones said:

yup. i don't know how you solve 610 between 59 and I10. it is a disaster.



They should have put an upper deck on 610 between I-10 to just past I-69/US 59 in Bellaire twenty years ago. Austin has had one on I-35 from just south of 290 to the river since the 1970's.

ETA: 290 on the north side of town near the old Mueller airport.
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Houston politicians love to go on junkets to Europe to get ideas for their next crazy traffic solution.

The bike lane, road tits and separate traffic signals on Dallas was born of this.
Serotonin
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Agree double decker would have been cool, but regardless with several new million illegals and Californians here, traffic will always be bad and TXDOT and Metro will always be incompetent and waster billions each year.
The population growth in metro Houston and DFW has been insane.

They put the next closest (ATL and Tampa) to shame.

Population growth in Houston = Miami + Phoenix + Denver + Seattle + Boston

Biz Ag
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:



Its been 20-years since deathrail went online for the 2004 Superbowl and since that time this is the extent of light rail construction.

A system that does nothing to alleviate traffic on surface streets in and around downtown and train crossings make surface streets much worse and dangerous.

Also closing Main street through downtown Houston to put in a water feature may be the most senseless idea of all time. Second only to building a multi-million dollar dog park inside the banks of the bayou and renovating an abandoned underground cistern.
At one point they were talking about a light rail line running down the middle of 59/69 from downtown to south of the Galleria just outside 610.

And there's something ironic about stops named "Howard Hughes" and "Cesar Chavez" being adjacent to one another on the EaDo line.
CDUB98
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IIRC, didn't they also think about running one straight down the middle of I-10 during that expansion, but it was scrapped as too costly...even for the government?
Biz Ag
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CDUB98 said:

IIRC, didn't they also think about running one straight down the middle of I-10 during that expansion, but it was scrapped as too costly...even for the government?
Very possible. I thought another one was being looked at going all the way out to the Bush airport.
Serotonin
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Biz Ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Its been 20-years since deathrail went online for the 2004 Superbowl and since that time this is the extent of light rail construction.

A system that does nothing to alleviate traffic on surface streets in and around downtown and train crossings make surface streets much worse and dangerous.

Also closing Main street through downtown Houston to put in a water feature may be the most senseless idea of all time. Second only to building a multi-million dollar dog park inside the banks of the bayou and renovating an abandoned underground cistern.
At one point they were talking about a light rail line running down the middle of 59/69 from downtown to south of the Galleria just outside 610.
I think it was going to run down Richmond but the business owners revolted because it was going to wipe them out during construction.

More recently I believe METRO was pushing a permanent bus lane on Richmond, reducing Richmond to one car lane each way in certain stretches.

Fortunately that plan was scrapped.

Biz Ag
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I think it was going to run down Richmond but the business owners revolted because it was going to wipe them out during construction.
You're right. I remember some dumbass jumping out in front of outbound traffic in the Afton Oaks neighborhood a few years ago holding up a sign that said something like "Better Slow Down. Metro Light Rail Is Coming!"
Jack Klompus
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

The bike lane, road tits and separate traffic signals on Dallas was born of this.
Road tits were on 290.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/03/08/dancing-naked-woman-on-big-rig-causes-stir-freeway-backup-on-highway-290/
WestHoustonAg79
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Houston/TxDOT has always been reactionary and not proactive. We love to spend on projects that fix a 10 year ongoing problem with a 10 year project that once complete, is already behind the growth that has come in those 10 years.

Rinse and repeat.

Wish I had a solution honestly but whatever traffic #s they project prob need to be doubled or 3x when doing their feasibility studies etc. over build so we have more room to grow.
Martin Q. Blank
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Or do nothing and make commuting miserable so people stop moving here.
schmendeler
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What can I say, that's Republican leadership.
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